WHO GETS THE GLORY?

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If you wish to know if the gospel you are hearing preached is the gospel of God, ask yourself one simple question. WHO GETS THE GLORY?

If you wish to know whether your religious experience is of the flesh or of the Lord, ask yourself the same question. WHO GETS THE GLORY?

Examine all your gifts, works and missionary efforts by the same question. WHO GETS THE GLORY?

That which is of God, from God and for God's glory will be blessed by his presence and power "that no flesh should glory in his presence" According as it is written, he that glorieth let him glory in the Lord . 1st Corinthians 1:29 thu 31

Thank you Lord Jesus for YOUR wonderful salvation plan and all your GLORY and Grace now and forever.
 
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  • Sola Fide, by faith alone.
  • Sola Scriptura, by Scripture alone.
  • Solus Christus, through Christ alone.
  • Sola Gratia, by grace alone.
  • Soli Deo Gloria, glory to God alone.
 
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Why even ask that question if it was not for freewill creatures trying to get their own Glory?

In Gods economy, faith is not meritorious, any man can believe. Just as any man can eat,there is no merit in eating.The merit is in the food.

We just have freewill creatures trying to make faith have MERIT. And it does not. They are trying to attach our works or walk to faith or that faith is more than simply trust Jesus Christ for salvation.
 
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Gr8grace said:
Why even ask that question if it was not for freewill creatures trying to get their own Glory?

In Gods economy, faith is not meritorious, any man can believe. Just as any man can eat,there is no merit in eating.The merit is in the food.

We just have freewill creatures trying to make faith have MERIT. And it does not. They are trying to attach our works or walk to faith or that faith is more than simply trust Jesus Christ for salvation.
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Sure, it all panders to the pride of man. Man's I's are bigger than his ears.
 
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Josefnospam...amen! "Nuff said"...
 
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You'll have to forgive me if this seems provocative but this seems like one of those threads that will do something funny if I throw a wrench in it. And there are no better wrenches than verse.

from John 17
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— [SUP]23 [/SUP]I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
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and speaking of merit, here's 1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.
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God gives us things and shares things with us, so that we can give them back and share them with God. This applies to glory, honor, praise that are rightfully given to us by God as his children. God is still above us, but tearing ourselves down is actually dishonoring God if God has built us up.

from Romans 12
Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
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sharkwhales said:
You'll have to forgive me if this seems provocative but this seems like one of those threads that will do something funny if I throw a wrench in it. And there are no better wrenches than verse.

from John 17


and speaking of merit, here's 1 Corinthians 4:5



God gives us things and shares things with us, so that we can give them back and share them with God. This applies to glory, honor, praise that are rightfully given to us by God as his children. God is still above us, but tearing ourselves down is actually dishonoring God if God has built us up.

from Romans 12
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I don't see giving God all the glory as 'tearing down' ourselves or dishonoring to God. Who is tearing down themselves?

But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
(Luk 17:7-10)
 
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I don't see giving God all the glory as 'tearing down' ourselves or dishonoring to God. Who is tearing down themselves?

But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
(Luk 17:7-10)
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Interesting verse. Some commentaries suggest he is responding directly to the disciples' request for him to increase their faith, a few verses earlier.

Ok, if you receive what God gives you and then give it back, it isn't tearing yourself down. But if you reject what God gives you and say 'no, only you are worthy' it is actually a form of pride, you might say false humility.

Here's another parable from Matthew 25: "His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'"

So clearly there are various verses suggesting various things we should do when it comes to how we see ourselves. Would it make sense to you if I said, we shouldn't speak well of ourselves, but we also shouldn't disagree with God if God speaks well of us?
 
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PilgrimPassingThru

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Interesting verse. Some commentaries suggest he is responding directly to the disciples' request for him to increase their faith, a few verses earlier.

Ok, if you receive what God gives you and then give it back, it isn't tearing yourself down. But if you reject what God gives you and say 'no, only you are worthy' it is actually a form of pride, you might say false humility.

Here's another parable from Matthew 25: "His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'"

So clearly there are various verses suggesting various things we should do when it comes to how we see ourselves. Would it make sense to you if I said, we shouldn't speak well of ourselves, but we also shouldn't disagree with God if God speaks well of us?
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What if being faithful had a little to do with not speaking of your own goodness though? Would that work better?

For example, here it says,

Prov 20:6 Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?

That which is pertains to "most men" (concerning their own goodness) would be excluded,

And yet Paul says

1 Cr 5:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.

Wouldn't how Paul communicated concerning himself for the most part be something worth considering in the area of being faithful (in that regard)?

Paul would write,

1 Cr 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

1 Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

1 Cr 3:5 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

So we aren't anything, but it's God who is. same here

1 Cr 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

1 Cr 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

In that sense of faithful (Proverbs 20:6) and being commended for it as God giveth grace to the humble also

Mat 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Paul always credited the grace of God concerning what he was and others to His grace.

1 Titus 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

1 Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation,
that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

As Paul said a couple verses earlier

1 Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

And the same here

Romans 12;3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Well, something along those lines maybe.

God bless
 
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There is also a massive difference between being a son and a servant. God has called us to be sons first. If we don't know our sonship then we will never understand properly what it is to work with the Lord in this earth.

If we don't know about our sonship then our "lens" that we look at serving and being a servant will be skewed along with any interpretation of parables and verses pertaining to being a servant.

Galatians 4:6-7 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.


John 8:35 (KJV)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
 
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