Tithing

[Charles]

I cannot find anywhere in the Bible as to where they interrupted a church service to collect an offering. In the old test. there were boxes and chests outside: (2 Ki. 12:9-10, 2 Chr. 24:8). During the time of Jesus, there was a treasury: ( MK.12:41-44, Lk. 21:1-4). The apostles stated to gather together their offerings on the first day of the wk.: (1Cor. 16:2),so that they could collect and deliver to the saints (needy): 2 Cor. ch. 8-9. A poor man seeking God goes to a church and is compelled to walk up front to drop his offing into the "till" and has nothing and is embarrassed, is this of God? To seek him and get embarrassed? Of course not all chgurches collect in this manner. Caiaphas the high priest prophsied that one man should die for the nation that all people perish not; he was out to get Jesus but God spoke through him: (Jo. 11:51) as he does other preachers which doesn't mean they are of God: Very well do Satan's ministers appear as ministers of righteousness: ( 2 Cor 11:15). Study to show yourselves approved unto God rightly dividing the word of truth: ( 2 Tim.2:15). I find a lot wrong with these churches, I remember the poor people when giving. As for why did Jesus state to take their offerings to the priests upon healing, it was still old test. law until he was crucified then all ordinances were nailed to the cross, tithing was an ordinance and is out with the old: (Col.2:14).

 

[jesse]

I cannot find anywhere in the Bible as to where they interrupted a church service to collect an offering. In the old test. there were boxes and chests outside: (2 Ki. 12:9-10, 2 Chr. 24:8). During the time of Jesus, there was a treasury: ( MK.12:41-44, Lk. 21:1-4). The apostles stated to gather together their offerings on the first day of the wk.: (1Cor. 16:2),so that they could collect and deliver to the saints (needy): 2 Cor. ch. 8-9. A poor man seeking God goes to a church and is compelled to walk up front to drop his offing into the "till" and has nothing and is embarrassed, is this of God? To seek him and get embarrassed? Of course not all chgurches collect in this manner. Caiaphas the high priest prophsied that one man should die for the nation that all people perish not; he was out to get Jesus but God spoke through him: (Jo. 11:51) as he does other preachers which doesn't mean they are of God: Very well do Satan's ministers appear as ministers of righteousness: ( 2 Cor 11:15). Study to show yourselves approved unto God rightly dividing the word of truth: ( 2 Tim.2:15). I find a lot wrong with these churches, I remember the poor people when giving. As for why did Jesus state to take their offerings to the priests upon healing, it was still old test. law until he was crucified then all ordinances were nailed to the cross, tithing was an ordinance and is out with the old: (Col.2:14).

..........I like 2 cor9;6,7 But this I say, He that soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly: and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully...7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudging, or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver..... The key words purpose of heart IN CHRIST JESUS ,LOVE JESSE

 

[Derek]

I cannot find anywhere in the Bible as to where they interrupted a church service to collect an offering. In the old test. there were boxes and chests outside: (2 Ki. 12:9-10, 2 Chr. 24:8). During the time of Jesus, there was a treasury: ( MK.12:41-44, Lk. 21:1-4). The apostles stated to gather together their offerings on the first day of the wk.: (1Cor. 16:2),so that they could collect and deliver to the saints (needy): 2 Cor. ch. 8-9. A poor man seeking God goes to a church and is compelled to walk up front to drop his offing into the "till" and has nothing and is embarrassed, is this of God? To seek him and get embarrassed? Of course not all chgurches collect in this manner. Caiaphas the high priest prophsied that one man should die for the nation that all people perish not; he was out to get Jesus but God spoke through him: (Jo. 11:51) as he does other preachers which doesn't mean they are of God: Very well do Satan's ministers appear as ministers of righteousness: ( 2 Cor 11:15). Study to show yourselves approved unto God rightly dividing the word of truth: ( 2 Tim.2:15). I find a lot wrong with these churches, I remember the poor people when giving. As for why did Jesus state to take their offerings to the priests upon healing, it was still old test. law until he was crucified then all ordinances were nailed to the cross, tithing was an ordinance and is out with the old: (Col.2:14).

Then dont give, noones forcing you.

 

[pagie]

SHOULD THE CHURCH TEACH TITHING?​

(1)The false teaching is that tithing is a divine mandatory expectation which always must precede free-will giving. ​

The New Covenant free-will principles are in Second Corinthians, chapters 8 and 9. (1) Giving is a "grace.” These chapters use the Greek word for "grace" eight times in reference to helping poor saints. (2) Give yourself to God first (8:5). (3) Give yourself to knowing God’s will (8:5). (4) Give in response to Christ’s gift (8:9; 9:15). (5) Give out of a sincere desire (8:8, 10, 12; 9:7). (6) Do not give because of any commandment (8:8, 10; 9:7). (7) Give beyond your ability (8:3, 11-12). (8) Give to produce equality. This means that those who have more should give more in order to make up for the inability of those who cannot afford to give as much (8:12-14). (9) Give joyfully (8:2). (10) Give because you are growing spiritually (8:3-4, 7). (11) Give because you want to continue growing spiritually (9:8, 10-11). (12) Give because you are hearing the gospel preached (9:13).
(2)The false teaching is that biblical tithes include ALL sources of income.

Use God’s Word to define “tithe” and not a secular dictionary! Using a complete Bible concordance you will discover that the definition used by tithe-advocates is wrong. In God’s Word “tithe” does not stand alone. Although money existed before tithing, the source of God's "tithe" over 1500 years was never money. It was the “tithe of food.” True biblical tithes were always only food from the farms and herds of only Israelites who only lived inside God’s Holy Land, the national boundary of Israel. No tithes were accepted from defiled pagan lands. The “increase” was gathered from what God miraculously produced and not from man's craft or ability.​

There are 16 verses from 11 chapters and 8 books from Leviticus 27 to Luke 11 which describe the contents of the tithe. And the contents never (again), never included money, silver, gold or anything other than food from inside Israel! Yet the incorrect definition of "tithe" is the greatest error being preached about tithing today! (See Lev. 27:30, 32; Num. 18:27-28; Deut. 12:17; 14:22-23; 26:12; 2 Chron. 31:5-6; Neh. 10:37; 13:5; Mal. 3:10-11; Matt. 23:23; Luke 11: 42).​

(3)The false assumption is that food barter usually replaced money.

One argument to support non-food tithing is that money was not universally available and barter from food was used for most transactions. This argument is neither biblical nor historical. Genesis alone contains “money” in 32 texts and the word occurs 44 times before the tithe is first mentioned in Leviticus 27. Gold is first mentioned in Genesis 2:12. The words "jewelry," "gold," "silver" and shekel also appear often from Genesis to Deuteronomy. ​

Many centuries before Israel entered Canaan and began tithing food from God’s Holy Land money was an essential everyday item. For example Abraham was very rich in silver and gold (Gen 13:2); money in the form of silver shekels paid for slaves (Gen 17:12+); Abimelech gave Abraham 1000 pieces of silver (Gen 20:16); Abraham paid 400 pieces of silver for land (Gen 23:9-16); Joseph was sold for silver pieces (Gen 37:28); slaves bought freedom (Ex 23:11); court fines (Ex 21 all; 22 all); sanctuary dues (Ex 30:12+); vows (Lev 27:3-7); poll taxes (Num 3:47+), alcoholic drinks (Deu 14:26) and marriage dowries (Deu 22:29).​

Joseph gave Benjamin 300 pieces of silver (Gen 45:22). According to Genesis 47:15-17 food was used for barter only after money had been spent. Banking and usury laws exist in Leviticus even before tithing. Therefore the argument that money was not prevalent enough for everyday use is false. Yet the tithe contents from Leviticus to Matthew never include money from non-food products and trades. ​

(4) The false teaching is that Abraham freely gave tithes because it was God’s will.
Scores of reputable secular history books document the existence of spoils of war tithing from Babylon to Egypt before Abraham’s time. For the following reasons, Genesis 14:20 cannot be used as an example for Christians to tithe. (1) The Bible does not say that Abraham "freely" gave this tithe. (2) Abraham’s gift was NOT a holy tithe from God’s holy land gathered by God’s holy people under God’s holy Old Covenant. (3) Abraham’s tithe was clearly only from pagan spoils of war and was required in many nations. (4) In Numbers 31, God only required 1% of spoils of war. (5) Abraham’s tithe to his priest-king Melchizedek was a one-time recorded event. (6) Abraham’s tithe was not from his own personal property. (7) Abraham kept nothing for himself; he gave everything back. (8) Abraham’s tithe is not quoted anywhere in the Bible to endorse tithing to Israel or to the church. (9) Genesis 14, verse 21, is the key text. Since most commentaries explain verse 21 as an example of pagan Arab tradition, it is contradictory to explain the 90% of verse 21 as pagan, while insisting that the 10% of verse 20 was obedience to God’s will. (10) If Abraham is an example for Christians to give 10% to God, then he should also be an example for Christians to give the other 90% to Satan, or to the king of Sodom! (11) As priests themselves, neither Abraham nor Jacob had a Levitical priesthood to support; they probably left food for the poor at their altars.
(5) The false teaching is that Old Testament priests received all of the first tithe.
The "whole" tithe, the first tithe, did not go to the priests at all. It was not even the “best” tenth (Lev 27:30-34). According to Numbers 18:21-24 and Nehemiah 10:37b, it went to the servants of the priests, the Levites. And according to Numbers 18:25-28 and Nehemiah 10:38, the Levites gave the “best tenth of this tithe” (1%) which they received to the priests who ministered the sin sacrifices and served inside the holy places. Priests did not tithe.

It is also important to know that, in exchange for receiving these tithes, both Levites and priests forfeited all rights to permanent land inheritance inside Israel (Num. 18:20-26; Deut. 12:12; 14:27, 29; 18:1, 2; Josh. 13:14, 33; 14:3; 18:7; Eze. 44:28). Even if tithes were New Covenant they would first go to the ordinary workers to assist the preachers and maintain the buildings.

The false teaching is that Leviticus 27:30-33 proves that the tithe is an "eternal moral principle" because "it is holy to the LORD."

The phrases “it is HOLY unto the LORD” and “it is MOST HOLY unto the LORD” are very common in Leviticus. However, almost every other use of these same two phrases in Leviticus has long ago been discarded by Christians. These phrases are used to describe all of the festivals, the sacrificial offerings, the clean food, the old covenant priests and the old covenant sanctuary. Especially read verses 28 and 29 in the same chapter.

While the “tithe of the tithe” (1%) which was given to the priests was the “best” of what the Levites received, the tithe which the Levites received was only “one tenth” and not the “best” (Lev. 27:32, 33).
(6) The false assumption is that tithes are first-fruits.
The first-fruit was a very small amount of the first crop harvest and the first-born was the first offspring of animals. First-fruits come only come from inside Israel.

The first-fruit was small enough to fit into a hand-held basket (Deut. 26:1-10; Lev. 23:17; Num. 18:13-17; Neh. 12:44; 2 Chron 31:5a).

First-fruits and first-born offerings went directly to the Temple and were required to be totally consumed by ministering priests only inside the Temple (Neh. 10:35-37a; Ex. 23:19; 34:26; Deut. 18:4).

The whole Levitical tithe went first to the Levitical cities and portions went to the Temple to feed both Levites and priests who were ministering there in rotation (Neh. 10:37b-39; 12:27-29, 44-47; Num. 18:21-28; 2 Chron 31:5b). While the Levites ate only the tithe, the priests could also eat from the first-fruits, first-born offerings and other offerings.
(7) The false teaching is that everybody in the Old Testament was required to begin their giving to God at the ten per cent level.
The poor were not required to tithe at all! Neither did the tithe come from the results of man’s crafts, hands and skills. Only farmers and herdsmen gathered what God produced as tithe increase. Jesus was a carpenter; Paul was a tentmaker and Peter was a fisherman. None of these occupations qualified as tithe-payers because they did not farm or herd animals for a living. It is, therefore, incorrect to teach that everybody paid a required minimum of a tithe and, therefore, that New Covenant Christians should be required to at least begin at the same minimum as Old Covenant Israelites. This common false assumption is very often repeated and completely ignores the very plain definition of tithe as food gathered from farm increase or herd increase.

The widow’s mite is an example of free-will giving and is not an example of tithing. According to Edersheim none of the Temple’s chests were for tithes. The poor received money from those chests before leaving the temple.​

It is also wrong to teach that the poor in Israel were required to pay tithes. In fact, they actually received tithes! Much of the second festival tithe and all of a special third-year tithe went to the poor! Many laws protected the poor from abuse and expensive sacrifices which they could not afford (Lev. 14:21; 25:6, 25-28, 35, 36; 27:8; Deu. 12:1-19; 14:23, 28, 29; 15:7, 8, 11; 24:12, 14, 15, 19, 20; 26:11-13; Mal. 3:5; Matt. 12:1, 2; Mark 2:23, 24; Luke 2:22-24; 6:1, 2; 2 Cor. 8:12-14; 1 Tim. 5:8; Jas. 1:27).​

(8) False teaching is that all tithes were formerly taken to the Temple and should now be taken to the "church storehouse” building.
Nehemiah 10:37b and Second Chronicles 31:15-19 make it clear that the people were to bring the tithes to the Levitical cities where 98% of the Levites and priests needed them for food (also Num 18:21-24). And Nehemiah 10:38 makes it clear that normally only Levites and priests had the task of bringing tithes into the Temple (also Num 18:24-28).

The “whole” tithe NEVER went to the Temple! According to Numbers 35, Joshua 20, 21 and First Chronicles 6, Levites and priests lived on borrowed land where they farmed and raised (tithed) animals. (Also 2nd Chron. 11:13-14; Neh. 12:27-29; 13:10; Mal. 1:14.)
(9) The false teaching is that New Covenant elders and pastors are continuing where the Old Covenant priests left off and are due the tithe.
Compare Exodus 19:5-6 with First Peter 2: 9-10. Before the incident of the golden calves, God had intended for every Israelite to become a priest and tithing would have never been enacted. Priests did not tithe but received one tenth of the first tithe (Num. 18:26-28; Neh. 10:37, 38).

The function and purpose of Old Covenant priests were replaced, not by elders and pastors, but by the priesthood of every believer. Like other ordinances of the Law, tithing was only a temporary shadow until Christ (Eph. 2:14-16; Col. 2:13-17; Heb. 7:18; 10:1). In the New Covenant every believer is a priest to God (1 Pet. 2:9-10; Rev. 1:6; 5:10). And, as a priest, every believer offers sacrifices to God (Heb. 4:16; 10:19-22; 13:15, 16). Therefore, every ordinance which had previously applied to the old priesthood was blotted out at the cross. Since Jesus was not from the tribe of Levi, even He was disqualified. Thus the original temporary purpose of tithing no longer exists (Heb. 7:12-19; Gal. 3:19, 24-25; 2 Cor. 3:10-18).​

 

[pagie]

The false teaching about tithes from Malachi 3 ignores important Bible facts.
A. CONTEXT: Malachi is Old Covenant and is never quoted in the New Covenant to validate tithing (Lev. 27:34; Neh. 10:28-29; Mal. 3:7; 4:4).

B. CONTEXT: In Malachi 3:10-11 tithes are still only food 1000 years after Leviticus 27.

C. LAW: Malachi’s audience had willingly reaffirmed the Old Covenant (Neh.10:28-29). The blessings and curses of tithing are identical to and inseparable from those of the entire Mosaic Law. The rain in Deuteronomy 28:12, 23-24 and Leviticus 26:1-4 is only obtained by obedience to all 613 commandments. Galatians 3:10 (quoting Deu 27:26) “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.” Trying to earn God’s blessings through tithing only brings curses for failure to keep all of the law. See also Galatians 3:19.​

D. PRIEST-THIEVES: Beginning in 1:6 “you” in Malachi always refers to the dishonest priests and not the people (also 2:1-10; 2:13 to 3:1-5): “Even this whole nation of you --priests” (3:9). In 1:13-14 the priests had stolen tithed animals vowed to God. In Nehemiah 13:5-10 priests had stolen the Levites’ portion of the tithe. God’s curses on the priests are ignored by most tithe-teachers (1:14; 2:2 and 3:2-4). ​

E. LEVITICAL CITIES: Point #12. The Levitical cities must be included in a correct interpretation of Malachi 3:10 and they are not. Most tithe-recipients lived outside of Jerusalem.​

F. 24 Courses: The 24 courses of Levites and priests must be included in a correct interpretation of Malachi 3 and they are not. Normally only 2% of the total Levite and priest work force served at the temple one week at a time. Subtract wives, males under the age of 30 and daughters. Therefore 2% did not require all of the tithe. See 1 Chron 23-26; 28:13, 21; 2 Chron. 8:14; 23:8; 31:2, 15-19; 35:4, 5, 10; Ezra 6:18; Neh. 11:19, 30; 12:24; 13:9, 10; Luke 1:5.​

G. Nehemiah 10:37-39 is the key to understanding Malachi 3:10, The people were commanded to bring their tithes, not to the temple, but to the nearby Levitical cities. Verse 38 says that the priests were with the Levites in the Levitical cities when they received the tithes.​

H. STOREHOUSE: According to Nehemiah 13:5, 9 the “storehouse” in the Temple was only several rooms. The real “storehouses” were in the Levitical cites per Nehemiah 10:37b. Only the Levites and priests normally brought tithes to the Temple (10:38). Two rooms in the Temple were far too small to contain the tithe from the entire nation and 98% of the Levites and priests lived too far away to eat from them.​

Therefore, Malachi 3:10’s “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse” only makes contextual sense if it is only commanding dishonest priests to replace the tithes they had removed from it or had failed to bring to it.​

While the 3:10 of the Law in Malachi is so important to tithe-teachers they ignore the 3:10 of the Gospel in Galatians and 2nd Corinthians. Perhaps those wanting to enforce the 3:10 Law of Malachi should also enforce the 3:10 Law of Numbers. They share the same context. ​

 

[Charles]

Then dont give, noones forcing you.

So where does it state that I don't give? I also gave my life to God.

 

[suaso]

That was some mighty large font, Pagie! lol.

I think we, as Christians, are supposed to support our fellow Christians and communites by helping to provide for real needs. In the early church, Christians typically brought things like bread to distribute to those who had little or nothing...I think it is mentioned somewhere in the Bible about being wary of 1st century moochers who seemed to only show up to church for the free grub. In my younger, more atheistic days, I would go with my cousins to their neo-gnostic cultish services because afterwards their leader took everyone somewhere nice, like Olive Garden, and I was broke all the time and hungry. Food is a big motivator. I know some people who were members of a mega church for years because they liked getting the free donated vehicles, the check for rent, and access to the food bank. They didn't really care about the actual beliefs involved with Christianity, the father of the family simply didnt want to have to work and the mother was busy with a slew of kids, so it was easier to say "Yes, Im saved, now where is my cupon?" than to get an actual job.

Now, some people actually need help. Because of these people, we should give whatever it is in our ability to give so that we can help them. "Whatever you did to the least of these you did to Me" as Christ says. Some people need food, so we can donate gift cards from grocery stores. Some people need clothes, so we can donate clothes. Others need things that cost money, or since we might not have an excess of canned soup laying around so much as we might have an extra $20 in the bank, we can also give our money to our church to do with it as they see fit on our behalf. As for passing the basket around, that is simply one method that developed over time, probably for the sake of convienience. It is one of those organic traditions that seems to pop up and continue. That method is neither good nor bad. Just convienient or inconvinient, depending on how your church runs its services. You shouldn't feel pressured to give what you do not have, but realize that what you do have comes from God, and if you have more, it may be in your best interest to give more.

 

[pagie]

sorry about the size of the font hahaha
I wrote it out on Word with diferent text size for some parts but when I posted it all the words became the same size as the heading I had on it.

 

[Sinnner]

The false teaching about tithes from Malachi 3 ignores important Bible facts.
A. CONTEXT: Malachi is Old Covenant and is never quoted in the New Covenant to validate tithing (Lev. 27:34; Neh. 10:28-29; Mal. 3:7; 4:4).

B. CONTEXT: In Malachi 3:10-11 tithes are still only food 1000 years after Leviticus 27.

C. LAW: Malachi’s audience had willingly reaffirmed the Old Covenant (Neh.10:28-29). The blessings and curses of tithing are identical to and inseparable from those of the entire Mosaic Law. The rain in Deuteronomy 28:12, 23-24 and Leviticus 26:1-4 is only obtained by obedience to all 613 commandments. Galatians 3:10 (quoting Deu 27:26) “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.” Trying to earn God’s blessings through tithing only brings curses for failure to keep all of the law. See also Galatians 3:19.


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D. PRIEST-THIEVES: Beginning in 1:6 “you” in Malachi always refers to the dishonest priests and not the people (also 2:1-10; 2:13 to 3:1-5): “Even this whole nation of you --priests” (3:9). In 1:13-14 the priests had stolen tithed animals vowed to God. In Nehemiah 13:5-10 priests had stolen the Levites’ portion of the tithe. God’s curses on the priests are ignored by most tithe-teachers (1:14; 2:2 and 3:2-4). ​

E. LEVITICAL CITIES: Point #12. The Levitical cities must be included in a correct interpretation of Malachi 3:10 and they are not. Most tithe-recipients lived outside of Jerusalem.​

F. 24 Courses: The 24 courses of Levites and priests must be included in a correct interpretation of Malachi 3 and they are not. Normally only 2% of the total Levite and priest work force served at the temple one week at a time. Subtract wives, males under the age of 30 and daughters. Therefore 2% did not require all of the tithe. See 1 Chron 23-26; 28:13, 21; 2 Chron. 8:14; 23:8; 31:2, 15-19; 35:4, 5, 10; Ezra 6:18; Neh. 11:19, 30; 12:24; 13:9, 10; Luke 1:5.​

G. Nehemiah 10:37-39 is the key to understanding Malachi 3:10, The people were commanded to bring their tithes, not to the temple, but to the nearby Levitical cities. Verse 38 says that the priests were with the Levites in the Levitical cities when they received the tithes.​

H. STOREHOUSE: According to Nehemiah 13:5, 9 the “storehouse” in the Temple was only several rooms. The real “storehouses” were in the Levitical cites per Nehemiah 10:37b. Only the Levites and priests normally brought tithes to the Temple (10:38). Two rooms in the Temple were far too small to contain the tithe from the entire nation and 98% of the Levites and priests lived too far away to eat from them.​

Therefore, Malachi 3:10’s “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse” only makes contextual sense if it is only commanding dishonest priests to replace the tithes they had removed from it or had failed to bring to it.​

While the 3:10 of the Law in Malachi is so important to tithe-teachers they ignore the 3:10 of the Gospel in Galatians and 2nd Corinthians. Perhaps those wanting to enforce the 3:10 Law of Malachi should also enforce the 3:10 Law of Numbers. They share the same context. ​

So what are you saying??? Don't tithe? What is your conclusion.

 

[Thaddaeus]

there was three basic principals in the Old Testament , keeping the sabbath, circumcision, and tithing. the Modern church only brought one of these principals with them: tithe. Jesus became our sabbath, and he cleansed our heart instead of our flesh. and He also became our first fruits, which was the tithe part, but we have told ourselves that we have to teach tithing , to substain to Church, so our churches are built on the foundation of money (and the belief that money is what it takes to substain the Church) but We should trust Jesus and make Him our foundation and support

1co 15:19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.1co 15:20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.1co 15:21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.1co 15:22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.1co 15:23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.




it is important to give but not by law or a certain amount it needs to be a heart issue

 

[pagie]

Sinner I have posts through out this thread im sure if you have a look I am making my point verry clear that I believe the tithe is not a new testament requirement. I find the suport for it as you can see rampent through out the bible I am convinced given the over all evidence that there is nothing that saports the tithe as being something handed down through Jesus or the apostles.

 

[Sinnner]

Sinner I have posts through out this thread im sure if you have a look I am making my point verry clear that I believe the tithe is not a new testament requirement. I find the suport for it as you can see rampent through out the bible I am convinced given the over all evidence that there is nothing that saports the tithe as being something handed down through Jesus or the apostles.

You are right in the since that tithing is not critical to salvation but the things you have posted is nothing more than your justification for you not paying your thithes and should not be taught.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Tithing for christians was always introduced or started by various churches or governments (check your history about the tithe) not by anything written in the new testament or old testament about it.
So God doesn't have any requirements that christians must or must not tithe.

 

[pagie]

sinner of course it is the justifacation not to pay tithes since I dont believe in it for the church to do so, more over the Lord will be the justifecation of anyone who has been spoken against for rightiousness sake. and on that note if it is so RAMPENT through scripture and so obvious and in your face I think it should be taught. TITHING in Scripture is ALWAYS mandatory I dont care what the church intracuces,
what I dont get is that you say I should not teach what is Plain scripture, I have posted heaps and heaps of scripture that states the case plainly what have anyone else given not one scripture that says that the church should tithe. because you JUDGE me on what you can not possably know and that aparently my motivation is that I am selfish I find it fasinating that you think you know me like that and extreamly judgemental on that note how is it that you can know how much I give to the LORD.

 

[pagie]

Mahogony snail I do see your point but in that case I think it is fare to make clear what scripture says.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Sure, we can use scripture for the principles of tithing. But comparing our tithing practices to the Jewish tithe is like comparing apples and oranges when you look at the details. And the new testament doesn't teach tithing of course.

But I think it's not really a spiritual issue more of a practical issue. i.e. how do we want to support the ministries and churches we want to support etc. If we want to do that by tithing then fine, and if not, that's fine too. It becomes a matter of whether we follow the teachings of the particular church or not rather than what the bible says or doesn't say.

So the short answer to "why doesn't the bible teach tithing for christians" is because it wasn't introduced by the bible but by churches/governments.

I personally have never tithed. So according to some my finances are supposed to be cursed and if that's true then I suppose I should be homeless living on the street by now, well good luck with that.

 

[pagie]

well I supose if you are not without its because the mandatory tithe of the Law dose not bind you.
same as it is not binding in new testament principles of giving that are given. the tithe is no more no less than 10%. anything else can not possible be a tithe.
tithe contradicts the giving principles in the new testamen.

Christians are commanded to give freely, sacrificially, generously, regularly, joyfully and with the motivation of love for God and man. The following New Covenant free-will principles are found in Second Corinthians, chapters 8 and 9: (1) Giving is a "grace.” These chapters use the Greek word for "grace" eight times in reference to helping poor saints. (2) Give yourself to God first (8:5). (3) Give yourself to knowing God’s will (8:5). (4) Give in response to Christ’s gift (8:9; 9:15). (5) Give out of a sincere desire (8:8, 10, 12; 9:7). (6) Do not give because of any commandment (8:8, 10; 9:7). (7) Give beyond your ability (8:3, 11-12). (8) Give to produce equality. This means that those who have more should give more in order to make up for the inability of those who cannot afford to give as much (8:12-14). (9) Give joyfully (8:2). (10) Give because you are growing spiritually (8:3-4, 7). (11) Give because you want to continue growing spiritually (9:8, 10-11). (12) Give because you are hearing the gospel preached (9:13).

I dont care what churches teach I am responsible for what I do. and my giving should be based on the principles which I believe are Godly principles despite what others think. sinner made a judgement on me that I am selfish based on what? scripture? or my interpratation of it? it is plain to me is all so I dont see on what grounds sinner gets off saying I souldnt teach what I see as plain in scripture. but others should teach what isnt?

 

[espresso]

All I can tell you is since I began tithing 10 years ago, the Lord has blessed my finances beyond my wildest dreams. The more I give, the more He gives me to give. And yes, in Matthew 23:23 Jesus says "“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens,[a] but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. I think its pretty clear that this is not just an Old Testimant teaching if Jesus says to do it. God doesnt want your money, He wants your heart. He wants to know that He means more to you than the things you could have bought with that money. It is truly an act of worship. I only wish more people understood this so they could receive the blessings that go along with any area of your life that you are obedient to the Lord in. Not just in finances, but in every area of your life. Try it. His promises are true!

 

[pagie]

ok the scripture there in context is still under the Law since christ hadnt yet been crucified it is still only food.
and you are blessed beond your wildest dreams good for you so am I.

 

[Sinnner]

The gospel is all about giving, this includes financially. If you want to post a bunch of scriptures justifying not titheing then so be it. I do tithe a full 10% and I have more money in my life now than I ever have. It works.