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I have been reading some of the post and decided to join and ask a question.
In studying the end times, I see 1290 days, 1260 days, 1335 days, and 42 weeks.
Most seem to believe the tribulation period will be seven years, three and a half years of peace followed by three and a half years of tribulation.
Most seem to believe the three and a half years of peace is the result of the Anti-Christ will make a peace tready with Israel and will break that tready after three and a half years and attack Israel.
I would like to know what Scripture you base this belief on?
 

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I have been reading some of the post and decided to join and ask a question.
In studying the end times, I see 1290 days, 1260 days, 1335 days, and 42 weeks.
Most seem to believe the tribulation period will be seven years, three and a half years of peace followed by three and a half years of tribulation.
Most seem to believe the three and a half years of peace is the result of the Anti-Christ will make a peace tready with Israel and will break that tready after three and a half years and attack Israel.
I would like to know what Scripture you base this belief on?
Hello Persuaded,

Go and read Dan.7:25, 9:24-27, Rev.12:6,14, 11:1-3,13:5 in order to get an understanding of the last seven years. And the reference to 1,260 days, forty-two months and a time, times and a half a time are referring to that last seven years, which is divided up into two 3 1/2 years periods with the Lord returning at the end.

Hope this helps
 
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Hello Persuaded,

Go and read Dan.7:25, 9:24-27, Rev.12:6,14, 11:1-3,13:5 in order to get an understanding of the last seven years. And the reference to 1,260 days, forty-two months and a time, times and a half a time are referring to that last seven years, which is divided up into two 3 1/2 years periods with the Lord returning at the end.

Hope this helps
I have studied all those Scriptures and I do not see the seven years nor the peace treaty with Israel.
Will you be more specific as to what Scripture teaches seven years, and peace with Israel.
 

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I have studied all those Scriptures and I do not see the seven years nor the peace treaty with Israel. Will you be more specific as to what Scripture teaches seven years, and peace with Israel.
Below is the scripture in Dan.9:27:

"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven,' i.e. seven weeks of years. In the middle of the 'seven,' which would be 3 1/2 years after the seven year covenant was made, he puts and end to sacrifice and offering. The way in which to understand that Israel is in view here as being the "many" that the covenant is being made with is that, the angel told Daniel that seventy sevens were decreed upon his holy people (Israel) and upon their holy city (Jerusalem) and therefore, the prophecy is regarding Israel. In addition, the fact that "the ruler" of Dan.9:26 being the "he" in Dan.9:27, is putting an end to sacrifice and offerings in the middle of the seven years, would be referring to Israel who will have begun to offer animal sacrifices once again according to what is written in the law of Moses.

Also, the fact that the "He" in the verse is also setting up that abomination that causes desolation in the holy place within the temple, the holy place being the room just outside of the holy of holies, this would also demonstrate that it is Israel and her temple that is in view. In 2 Thes.2:3-4, Paul speaks of the "He" as "the man of lawlessness" in reference to what he does regarding the temple, as can be seen below:

"Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."

To recap, the covenant made by the antichrist is for one 'seven' which is seven years. Just as the scripture states, in the middle of the seven (3 1/2 years later) he puts an end to the sacrifices and offerings which he will have made possible for Israel to begin at the on-set of the seven years and at which time the abomination is also set up in the temple, which is what causes the desolation of Jerusalem/Judea. Information regarding the desolation which is when Israel flees out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God during that last 3 1/2 years, can be found in Mt.24:15-21 and Rev.12:6,14.

The two witnesses will prophecy from the beginning of the seven years until the middle of the seven, where at that time the angel of the Abyss, the beast, will be released at the 5th trumpet just prior to the middle of the seven and will kill the two witnesses.

According to Dan.7:25 and Rev.13:5-7, the beast, that antichrist, will be given authority over the great tribulation saints, who are Gentiles, for forty-two months, that being the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.
 

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I have been reading some of the post and decided to join and ask a question.
In studying the end times, I see 1290 days, 1260 days, 1335 days, and 42 weeks.
Most seem to believe the tribulation period will be seven years, three and a half years of peace followed by three and a half years of tribulation.
Most seem to believe the three and a half years of peace is the result of the Anti-Christ will make a peace tready with Israel and will break that tready after three and a half years and attack Israel.
I would like to know what Scripture you base this belief on?
It's based on Dan.9 and Dan.11 mainly, the 70 weeks prophecy which is divided into periods, the final "one week" (or last 7) being the time of the end to include two periods of 1260 days each, the latter one being the actual tribulation time when the "abomination of desolation" is setup in Jerusalem. Yet most of the Book of Daniel involves portions of this prophecy for the end, even Dan.2 showing us about Christ's Kingdom coming to destroy the beast's kingdom at the end.
 

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I have studied all those Scriptures and I do not see the seven years nor the peace treaty with Israel.
Will you be more specific as to what Scripture teaches seven years, and peace with Israel.
Dan 11:21-24
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
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I have been reading some of the post and decided to join and ask a question.
In studying the end times, I see 1290 days, 1260 days, 1335 days, and 42 weeks.
Most seem to believe the tribulation period will be seven years, three and a half years of peace followed by three and a half years of tribulation.
Most seem to believe the three and a half years of peace is the result of the Anti-Christ will make a peace tready with Israel and will break that tready after three and a half years and attack Israel.
I would like to know what Scripture you base this belief on?
No, "most" don't believe any of that, but the ones who do are very vocal and won't hear anything opposing their beliefs. I'd clarify your definition of "most" as in less than 1% of the Christian population.
 
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I have been reading some of the post and decided to join and ask a question.
In studying the end times, I see 1290 days, 1260 days, 1335 days, and 42 weeks.
Most seem to believe the tribulation period will be seven years, three and a half years of peace followed by three and a half years of tribulation.
Most seem to believe the three and a half years of peace is the result of the Anti-Christ will make a peace tready with Israel and will break that tready after three and a half years and attack Israel.
I would like to know what Scripture you base this belief on?
That's the folly of their false doctrine, they have no scriptural proof that there is a 7 year tribulation. But they will go to great lengths to try to misrepresent and twist verses that do not even apply to "those days" in order to construct this imaginary doctrine. For instance they deny Daniels 70 weeks prophecy has been fulfilled, and that somehow the last final week (7 years) of that prophecy is yet future, which is totally false.

To deny the last week of Daniels prophecy as being fulfilled, is to also deny what happened in that last 7 years, which was Christ crucified and the New Covenant confirmed in his disciples. This my friends is nothing short of heresy.

The 1335 days, the 1290 days, and the 1260 days have nothing to with Daniels 490 year (70 weeks) prophecy. This can be proven by both Jesus words and Daniels prophecy of when the first tribulation period started, which was to the Jews, and it started in 70ad when Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed.

This first tribulation period to the Jews is symbolized as 1260 days or 42 months. This symbolic time period would start as Jesus said with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, and would run all the way to the fullness of the Gentiles. This can be confirmed by scripture, even the book of Daniel also confirms the start point.

Here is a post I wrote which shows the same....http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106986-42-months-sign-time.html
 

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The Dan.9:27 verse is further detailed in the Dan.11 chapter about the "vile person" who comes to Jerusalem using peace to come into power, and makes a "league" with a small people in Jerusalem.

The Dan.9:27 verse details a final symbolic period of "one week" which per the 70 weeks represents a period of 7 years.

In the middle of the "one week", which represents 7 years, a false one will end the daily oblation and instead place the abomination that makes desolate per Dan.11, which is about setting up idol worship in a temple in Jerusalem, the very thing our Lord Jesus warned us about for the tribulation per His Olivet Discourse (Matt.24; Mark 13).

So don't allow anyone to persuade you away from that brethren, because the Jews are vehemently against that understanding, because they think Jerusalem is under God's special protection all the way to the end, when Jerusalem for the end is actually to become the epicenter of false idol worship for the coming tribulation time.
 

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decree issued
About the decree, it was 49 years. There were four decrees...

Cyrus issued a decree in 538BC (II Chron 36:22-23 and Ezra 1:1-4)

Darius issued a decree in 520BC (Ezra 6:1, 6-12)

Artaxerxes Longimanus in 457BC (Ezra 7:12-26)

Artaxerxes Longimanus in 444BC (Neh 2:1-8)

Four decrees, which one is the one to count from?

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment
to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,
and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall,
even in troublous times.

There will be 7 weeks plus 62 weeks = 69 weeks. That is 483 years (Num 14:34 and Ezek 4:6).

So let's add 483 years to each decree and see what works out...


1st decree: 538BC + 483 years = 55BC. This doesn't work because Christ would
not be born for another 51 years.

2nd decree: 520BC + 483 years = 37BC. Again, no good, Christ's birth
is still 33 years in the future.

3rd decree: 457BC + 483 years = 27AD. Christ's formal, 3-1/2 year ministry
began in 27AD culminating in His crucifixion in 31AD. We have a winner.

4th decree: 444BC + 483 years = 40AD. Christ's death, burial and resurrection was
9 years in the past and the destruction of the Temple was ~30 years in the future. No dice.

So, the decree in 457BC brings us to 27AD for the beginning of the ministry of Christ,
the first 3-1/2 years exactly as the prophecy in Dan 9 predicts.

There will be 7 weeks plus 62 weeks = 69 weeks.
That is 483 years (Num 14:34 and Ezek 4:6).

Artaxerxes Longimanus in 457BC (Ezra 7:12-26)
in 457BC brings us to 27AD for the beginning of the ministry of Christ,
the first 3-1/2 years exactly as the prophecy in Dan 9 predicts.

decree: 457BC + 483 years = 27AD.

Christ's formal, 3-1/2 year ministry began in 27AD culminating in His crucifixion in 31AD.
 

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Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me
to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down.
And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

He stop reading just there, close the book, and sit down? we read in Isa.

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me
to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

And here is where He stopped reading in mid sentence.
Now the passage He quoted continues...

and [the day of vengeance] of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty
for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD,
that he might be glorified.

Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations,
and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall
be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers
of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their
portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

He came the first time to complete Isa 61:1-2 but not all of verse 2.
When He returns, He will complete verse 2 and forward through verse 7.
 

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there peace treaty [two state solution] is a deadly wound for Judah


“For I [Jesus Christ] will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;
and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished;
and [half of the city] shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people
shall not be cut off from the city”
 

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70 Weeks = 490 years

454 B.C. - first period of 49 years. Archbishop Ussher's date for the starting reign of Artaxerxes was A.M. 353, which in his Coliatio Annorum corresponds to 474 B.C. The "twentieth year of Artaxerxes" therefore was 454 B.C.

405 B.C. - second period of "three score and two sevens" = 434 years, from 405 B.C. to 29 A.D., the year of the "cutting off" of Messiah. This was 483 years from the issuing of the decree in 454 B.C. (49 + 434 = 483 years).

The "cutting off" of Messiah was said to be "after" the "threescore and two weeks". The word "after" intention is about the ending of the period of 62 weeks, not its continuation.

"one week" = 7 years; set for the end.

The Dan.9:27 verse is specifically about a false one ending the daily oblation and instead placing the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem. Our Lord Jesus NEVER did such a thing, nor would He EVER do such a thing. That is blasphemy against Christ to even suggest He would be involved in placing the abomination that maketh desolate of Dan.11:31, which is what the Dan.9:27 verse is about involving the "vile person" of that Dan.11 chapter.
 

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Dan 9:25

Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem -

[unto the Messiah the Prince] shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:
the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times

-from commandment to rebuild- to [our Messiah comes] will be ........

is not the same person as in Dan 9:27 [the He] this is not Jesus
but yes a "vile person" that stops the [daily]
you should know by now I would never treat Christ with disrespect.
 
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Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me
to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down.
And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

He stop reading just there, close the book, and sit down? we read in Isa.

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me
to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

And here is where He stopped reading in mid sentence.
Now the passage He quoted continues...

and [the day of vengeance] of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty
for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD,
that he might be glorified.

Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations,
and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall
be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers
of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their
portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

He came the first time to complete Isa 61:1-2 but not all of verse 2.
When He returns, He will complete verse 2 and forward through verse 7.
He did both, these are just split as to where he did so.

Jesus stops in Luke, but as we know Isaiah continues...

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of
vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

That is where Jesus closes" the book" of Isaiah cutting that saying short in Luke 4:21 that "this saying was fulfilled in their ears" but he continues the other proclamation of Isaiah 61:2 by picking it up in Luke 21:22 here


Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things*** which are written may be fulfilled***.

At least it shows where both of the proclamations were fulfilled in Jesus.
 
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Isaiah 34:8 (KJV)
For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance,
and [the year] of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isaiah 61:2 (KJV)
To proclaim the acceptable [year] of the Lord,
and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isaiah 63:4 (KJV)
For the day of vengeance is in mine heart,
and [the year] of my redeemed is come.

Proverbs 6:34 (KJV)
For jealousy is the rage of a man:
therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.

Luke 21:22 (KJV)
For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Deuteronomy 32:35 (KJV)
To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide
in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things
that shall come upon them make haste.


Jeremiah 46:10 (KJV)
For this is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance,
that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour,
and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood:

for the Lord God of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
 
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I must say that I had no idea that there are so many different views on the question I asked.
I would like to present my understanding of what the Scripture teaches, but I don't have the time today.
I am busy prepairing for Sunday. Maybe at a later date.
 

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Dan 9:25

Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem -

[unto the Messiah the Prince] shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:
the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times

-from commandment to rebuild- to [our Messiah comes] will be ........

is not the same person as in Dan 9:27 [the He] this is not Jesus
but yes a "vile person" that stops the [daily]
you should know by now I would never treat Christ with disrespect.
If you say the final seven was completed by our Lord Jesus by His Ministry, then that is... to say He did those things of Dan.9:27 which is detailed in Dan.11. No way around that.
 

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He did both, these are just split as to where he did so.

Jesus stops in Luke, but as we know Isaiah continues...

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of
vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

That is where Jesus closes" the book" of Isaiah cutting that saying short in Luke 4:21 that "this saying was fulfilled in their ears" but he continues the other proclamation of Isaiah 61:2 by picking it up in Luke 21:22 here


Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things*** which are written may be fulfilled***.

At least it shows where both of the proclamations were fulfilled in Jesus.
Sorry, that kind of view doesn't work, because the event of Luke 21:22 has still YET TO HAPPEN. It has NOT been fulfilled yet, for that is for the time of His second coming which we still await today. That's why it includes this:

Luke 21:25-28
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Sorry, that kind of view doesn't work, because the event of Luke 21:22 has still YET TO HAPPEN. It has NOT been fulfilled yet, for that is for the time of His second coming which we still await today. That's why it includes this:

Luke 21:25-28
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
KJV
I wasnt expressing anything other then the proclamations and where they are located, you need to read more carefully