Enduring to the End

[PeacefulWarrior]

Found a good read and wanted to share: https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/CGG/ID/1873/Enduring-to-End.htm

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[John146]

The context of Matthew 24 is the end of the world including the great tribulation and the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 24:3, "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Mathew 24:13, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." This is not talking about the eternal salvation of the soul, but rather enduring through the great tribulation physically without dying. The word saved does always refer to eternal salvation.

Matthew 24:21-22, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

The King is coming, but first, there will great tribulation like none other time. If this time period were not shortened, then no one would be able to survive it.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The context of Matthew 24 is the end of the world including the great tribulation and the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

I think there's much more to the context (exegesis and hermeneutics) of Matthew 24 besides simply stating that the subject is the end times. Historical background, author, cultural background, literary genre, language, grammar/syntax, immediate vs broader context, related verses -- all are contextual items to be considered.

Matthew 24:3, "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Mathew 24:13, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." This is not talking about the eternal salvation of the soul, but rather enduring through the great tribulation physically without dying. The word saved does always refer to eternal salvation.

I don't think the statement highlighted in red is quite accurate (Ephesians 6:12). Check out Strong's reference for "he that shall endure" which states: "...to remain; abide; to persevere under misfortunes and trials to hold fast to one's faith in Christ." Also, common sense: My grandpa's flesh is already in the ground--it is impossible for him to "endure" any further; his life on Earth has ended.

Matthew 24:21-22, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

The King is coming, but first, there will great tribulation like none other time. If this time period were not shortened, then no one would be able to survive it.

...right back where we started: Ephesians 6:12 (NIV)

12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

 

[valiant]

The context of Matthew 24 is the end of the world including the great tribulation and the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 24:3, "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Mathew 24:13, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." This is not talking about the eternal salvation of the soul, but rather enduring through the great tribulation physically without dying. The word saved does always refer to eternal salvation.

Matthew 24:21-22, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

The King is coming, but first, there will great tribulation like none other time. If this time period were not shortened, then no one would be able to survive it.

great tribulation in Matthew 24 refers to tribulation on the jews from 70 ad to the present day. If it were not shortened no flesh (of Jews) would be saved. For the elect's sake it will be shortened,

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

great tribulation in Matthew 24 refers to tribulation on the jews from 70 ad to the present day. If it were not shortened no flesh (of Jews) would be saved. For the elect's sake it will be shortened,

Thank you for this clarification, Valiant!

From another source (Reformation Study Bible): "24:15–21 Although some interpreters take this passage to refer exclusively to the Second Coming, there are unmistakable references to the destruction of Jerusalem in a.d. 70, as is clear from the parallel account in Luke 21:20–24. The destruction of Jerusalem was a foretaste of the Last Judgment and so is a sign of the coming wrath. It stands as a unique declaration of the end of the old age, and so is a specific and uniquely important sign."


Thanks, to both of you, for your comments.

 

[pwrnJC]

Hummm...I notice that PeacefulWarrior smokem peace pipe? I know that the gesture runs deep, but in reality, we also know that peyote did too! Just curious...my ancestors on dad's side were Cherokee. There was a reason that warriors came across as being peaceful! Some were so laid back after smoking that pipe, they could never war against anyone, much less stand up! Naw...we're not talking about being slain in the spirit! lol

 

[DP]

Although Matt.24:2 could... be seen as historical with the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D., that's not really the timing Jesus was pointing to, and His disciples understood that point too when they asked Him:

Matt 24:3
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
KJV

By that, they understood Him to be speaking of the time of the end, especially the Zechariah 14 events on the day of His return to Jerusalem, for they would have been familiar with that OT Scripture.

Just saying, "Well there's been no standing temple there since it was destroyed in 70 A.D.", is not enough to pass this off as already having been fulfilled.

The reason is because we already have signs today in the last couple of decades with the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem prepared to build another temple upon the Temple Mount, and start up the old covenant temple worship again. Even cornerstones have been cut and are ready. And the Jews have been doing DNA research to find Levite priests for the temple worship, the Sanhedrin has formed up again, and even some temple articles required have been made and are on display in Jerusalem.

Another reason is because in 70 A.D. no "abomination of desolation" (idol), which Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel, was setup in that temple; instead that second temple burned down before the Romans could get control of it (per Jewish historian Josephus - 100 A.D.).

And yet another reason is, these signs Jesus gave in that Matt.24 Chapter parallel the six Seals of Revelation 6 about the end of this world, the last sign He gave being about His coming and gathering of His Church.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think there's much more to the context (exegesis and hermeneutics) of Matthew 24 besides simply stating that the subject is the end times. Historical background, author, cultural background, literary genre, language, grammar/syntax, immediate vs broader context, related verses -- all are contextual items to be considered.




I don't think the statement highlighted in red is quite accurate (Ephesians 6:12). Check out Strong's reference for "he that shall endure" which states: "...to remain; abide; to persevere under misfortunes and trials to hold fast to one's faith in Christ." Also, common sense: My grandpa's flesh is already in the ground--it is impossible for him to "endure" any further; his life on Earth has ended.



...right back where we started: Ephesians 6:12 (NIV)

12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Think about what you just said,

Your grandfather is dead, he can not endure anymore. That is true. If your grandfather was in the tribulation of daniel or jacobs trouble, He would not be saved out of it,

Jesus is talking about enduring until he returns,, If you are there when he returns you will be saved. and enter the kingdom.

No the tribulation is not from 70 AD. the tribulation starts at the abomination, when the beast that will be is given a short time.. the command to "endure is given to those who are alive during that short time"

it is not speaking of salvation, that would make salvation not a gift, but a reward, which is not freely given, but earned, which is not of grace, but works.

 

[John146]

It was shortened to what? 2,000 years? The Jews are saved? Please explain further.

great tribulation in Matthew 24 refers to tribulation on the jews from 70 ad to the present day. If it were not shortened no flesh (of Jews) would be saved. For the elect's sake it will be shortened,

 

[popeye]

Imagine a doctrine that hates a song about the return of Jesus..

Well he is coming. And I love his coming,and pray to be worthy as Directed by the King Jesus.
I will enjoy the promise of God.
"..........I go and prepare a place for you in heaven,that where I am you may be also..."
I personally reject the doctrine of men's minds that would disenfranchise the promise of God,in favor of some mental gymnastics that rejects the promise of the business God has with his body in heaven.




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