John 21:17 Jesus asks Simon son of John "Do You Love Me"

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un2him

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Why do you think Jesus asks Peter three times do you love me? Was his love in question? Why did he not ask the other disciples the same question? Ever thought about this?
 
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The wife of Ken Gott, an English preacher, once said that he denied Him three times with a fire and now there was a fire again and he could say 3 times that he loved Him.
I read in a book 'Jesus speaks' that He this way wrapped him up with His Love because he couldn't have forgiven himself otherwise. It was to restore him.
 
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Many believe it is because Peter had denied Jesus 3 times before his conversion.

Matthew 26:34
Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice
 
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What is also interesting is the disciples were fishing, as I'm sure they loved to fish like I do. But fishing was not only a way to feed themselves, but was also a way of making money. Now notice the first time Jesus asked Peter if he loved Him after they had sat down to eat fish. Notice Jesus asked Peter "do you love me more than these."

[SUP]15 [/SUP]So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs."

People should be asking themselves this same question when it comes to loving money and other worldly things more than doing the Lords will in their life.
 

un2him

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The wife of Ken Gott, an English preacher, once said that he denied Him three times with a fire and now there was a fire again and he could say 3 times that he loved Him.
I read in a book 'Jesus speaks' that He this way wrapped him up with His Love because he couldn't have forgiven himself otherwise. It was to restore him.
Okay so was for Peter's benefit because He knew Peter would deny him later. Must have made him think if there might be something that Jesus knew he didn't for sure. When he answered Lord you know me.
 
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coby

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Okay so was for Peter's benefit because He knew Peter would deny him later. Must have made him think if there might be something that Jesus knew he didn't for sure. When he answered Lord you know me.
Later? That was after he had denied Him. To let him know he was forgiven and to restore him in ministry.
I think it was good for him to say it and hear it instead of the wrong confessions he had done before.
 

un2him

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What is also interesting is the disciples were fishing, as I'm sure they loved to fish like I do. But fishing was not only a way to feed themselves, but was also a way of making money. Now notice the first time Jesus asked Peter if he loved Him after they had sat down to eat fish. Notice Jesus asked Peter "do you love me more than these."

[SUP]15 [/SUP]So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs."

People should be asking themselves this same question when it comes to loving money and other worldly things more than doing the Lords will in their life.
Or buying that new fishing boat lol. Wonder if the other disciples were thinking about how they would answer Jesus if he had asked them?

So he tells Peter to tend, Shepard and feed His lambs and sheep. Was what Jesus suggests to Peter if he loves Him!

Peter must have said feed them I can do that. But tend and Shepard them now if you know anything about sheep and lambs this is an all day chore with no time to fish.

Jesus could have called us some other animal but sheep they don't even come in out of the rain.
 
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Jesus asked Peter the first two times if he loved him (agape, ἀγαπάω, selfless love). Peter responded both times that he loved Jesus (φιλέω, phileo, brotherly love).

Jesus asked the third time if he loved him (φιλέω, phileo, brotherly love), and Peter responded in grief that he loved him (φιλέω, phileo, brotherly love).

Jesus was really rubbing it in. Now don't take this the wrong way because that is exactly what he was doing. Not for hurt, but to put him in his place that he did not have the GOD kind of love..
 

un2him

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Later? That was after he had denied Him. To let him know he was forgiven and to restore him in ministry.
I think it was good for him to say it and hear it instead of the wrong confessions he had done before.
Oops was before lost my place..maybe sheep is a good word lol Seems Peter was just fearful at the moment and perhaps why Jesus asked him. Fear does keep us from doing the right things at times... whereas Love overcomes. Learning how to act out of our heart and not be stopped by our thoughts is a process.
 
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What is also interesting is the disciples were fishing, as I'm sure they loved to fish like I do. But fishing was not only a way to feed themselves, but was also a way of making money. Now notice the first time Jesus asked Peter if he loved Him after they had sat down to eat fish. Notice Jesus asked Peter "do you love me more than these."

[SUP]15 [/SUP]So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs."

People should be asking themselves this same question when it comes to loving money and other worldly things more than doing the Lords will in their life.

Yeah, and you could probably see that even more in the example of Simon the sorceror with him also.

Which would have been a great place for Satan (who Jesus said desired to sift him as wheat) to do so even in that there (in order to bring blame on the ministry) had Simon failed. It would definately seem like a good opportunity to test him right there even. Which was also a revealer of hearts (even between the two) in that encounter. Simon the sorcerors heart (as Simon pointed out) in the bond of iniquity and his own (for us to see in that example) his reaction to what presented itself to him there, it was a despicable thing to him. Showing Simon despised money (and loved God) cleaving to the one and hating the other even as Jesus taught.

The gift of God is without money or price

As Jesus said unto the woman at the well,If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Without money or price

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

But here,

But when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given,

he offered them money,


But Peter said unto him,

Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

It would seem to show (in Simon Peter) an established apostle whose ministry cannot be blamed in any slanderous way to a love of money (which is the root of all evil) to be in him and His love for God

As Jesus had taught

No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

So he was not covetous. Satan would probably seek to sift a minister in that way through others who would be so used, where such a compromise could have an opportunity to arise (if a love of money was in him)

But Simon wasn't budging, he loved God more, so good on him.

Even as Paul said, I have coveted no mans, silver or gold or apparel Acts 20:3

God bless you



 

un2him

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Jesus asked Peter the first two times if he loved him (agape, ἀγαπάω, selfless love). Peter responded both times that he loved Jesus (φιλέω, phileo, brotherly love).

Jesus asked the third time if he loved him (φιλέω, phileo, brotherly love), and Peter responded in grief that he loved him (φιλέω, phileo, brotherly love).

Jesus was really rubbing it in. Now don't take this the wrong way because that is exactly what he was doing. Not for hurt, but to put him in his place that he did not have the GOD kind of love..


Thanks that does shed some light on the reason for the three times.
 
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Jesus asked Peter the first two times if he loved him (agape, ἀγαπάω, selfless love). Peter responded both times that he loved Jesus (φιλέω, phileo, brotherly love).

Jesus asked the third time if he loved him (φιλέω, phileo, brotherly love), and Peter responded in grief that he loved him (φιλέω, phileo, brotherly love).

Jesus was really rubbing it in. Now don't take this the wrong way because that is exactly what he was doing. Not for hurt, but to put him in his place that he did not have the GOD kind of love..

That sort of made sense to me, and I never gave it much of a thought until I compared the same words elsewhere, unless they are off.

For example these

John 21:20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus "loved" (agapao)


John 20:2 She came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus "loved" (phileo)

Again...

Hebrews 12:6 "The Lord disciplines those he "loves" (agapao) and he punishes"...

Revelation 3:19 "Those whom I "love" (phileo) I rebuke and discipline..."

Or for example

John 5:20 "For the Father "loves" (phileo) the Son and shows him all he does..."

John 16:27 "No, the Father himself "loves" (phileo) you because you have "loved" (phileo) me..."

Rev 3:19 "Those whom I "love" (phileo) I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent."

I ran a bunch of them many years back and backed off so much leaning back on the meaning of the "word" itself because it seems to be used elsewhere where it doesnt appear to make much of a difference, and I didnt post all of them.

Unless incorrectly translated or something, but I will leave the battle over words to others, and compare the truths as presented in the verses in various places rather. That way when someone takes down a word (lets say) making you an offender for it (as is typically done) you can take up comparisons and show it without being stuck over a particular word. Well, since there is often a few places you can seek to confirm a thing if you look hard enough.

Anyway, have you checked to see how the same words are used elsewhere any? That was what changed my mind about it
 

un2him

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Great study... thank you all for your input. I leave here pondering that agape love. My the Lord give you all great increase.
 
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No, I haven't checked the same words in other places. Those were interesting verses you posted. I didn't realize most of those.


That sort of made sense to me, and I never gave it much of a thought until I compared the same words elsewhere, unless they are off.

For example these

John 21:20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus "loved" (agapao)


John 20:2 She came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus "loved" (phileo)

Again...

Hebrews 12:6 "The Lord disciplines those he "loves" (agapao) and he punishes"...

Revelation 3:19 "Those whom I "love" (phileo) I rebuke and discipline..."

Or for example

John 5:20 "For the Father "loves" (phileo) the Son and shows him all he does..."

John 16:27 "No, the Father himself "loves" (phileo) you because you have "loved" (phileo) me..."

Rev 3:19 "Those whom I "love" (phileo) I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent."

I ran a bunch of them many years back and backed off so much leaning back on the meaning of the "word" itself because it seems to be used elsewhere where it doesnt appear to make much of a difference, and I didnt post all of them.

Unless incorrectly translated or something, but I will leave the battle over words to others, and compare the truths as presented in the verses in various places rather. That way when someone takes down a word (lets say) making you an offender for it (as is typically done) you can take up comparisons and show it without being stuck over a particular word. Well, since there is often a few places you can seek to confirm a thing if you look hard enough.

Anyway, have you checked to see how the same words are used elsewhere any? That was what changed my mind about it
 
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coby

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What is also interesting is the disciples were fishing, as I'm sure they loved to fish like I do. But fishing was not only a way to feed themselves, but was also a way of making money. Now notice the first time Jesus asked Peter if he loved Him after they had sat down to eat fish. Notice Jesus asked Peter "do you love me more than these."

[SUP]15 [/SUP]So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs."

People should be asking themselves this same question when it comes to loving money and other worldly things more than doing the Lords will in their life.
Oh I never understood that text. I thought He meant more than these other disciples which made no sense, don't think John loved Him less.