Are You a Zombie Christian?

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JesusIsAll

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Though it's probably more proper to call amillennialists and post-tribbers scripturally "harpazo challenged," instead of other things more terse, I have, nonetheless, long aspired to be a card carrying zombie, then! After all, I would much prefer to be checking out a view of the New Jerusalem, while some of you get to learn who the antichrist is, for as some wise man proverbially said, "Just sayin'."

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Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 21:36

Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
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Regardless of one's end time views the view that poo-poohs end time studies is the real problem.
Too many Churches and christians are overly occupied with making this life their everything, no wonder the study of Christ's return upsets them.
 
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JesusIsAll

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crossnote said:
Regardless of one's end time views the view that poo-poohs end time studies is the real problem.
Too many Churches and christians are overly occupied making this life their everything, no wonder the study of Christ's return upsets them.
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Couldn't agree more. It is the most major prophetic thrust of much of the Old and New Testaments, hundreds of prophecies yet to come, a large body of scripture. I saw a comment here recently, where somebody said the harpazo is just a minor doctrine. The coming of the Lord Jesus for His bride a minor doctrine? The blessed hope and the first resurrection minor? Not surprisingly, that same person believes nothing of a lot of clear scripture, not that I was at all surprised he said that. But what sort of fool doesn't want to know where civilization and where we're all headed? I just don't get that attitude, and about some of the most amazing teachings in all of scripture.
 
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Zombie Christians? You mean like the 'night of the living dead'? Now we're getting somewhere. I don like it but it is what it is.
 
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It would seem to me that anyone aware of Bible prophecy would see that we are living in the endtimes. I'm not saying it's tommorrow but I don't think this world will survive another 50 years let alone another century.
 
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Seeing as "harpazo" refers more to the fictitious and unscriptural rapture, and not the second coming of Christ, maybe we need to use the right word?

The "Parousia" is the word for the second coming of Christ. Something I look forward to every single day, and even hoping it happens during my lifetime, but only if my children and grandhchildren are saved. Because that is the end.

I'm Amillennial, because the Bible doesn't support a rapture, as I have posted so many times. I also think that one chapter of the Bible - Rev. 20 where the word "millennium" occurs is simply not enough to form an entire doctrine. And of course, the Pre-Mill view of the millennium makes even less sense. Because if this is a Kingdom with Jesus ruling and reigning, then why on earth do things go bad at the end? Well, that is true for Post-Mill too, I guess. Since we are already supposed to be living in the Kingdom. Well, we are I guess, in the "already and not yet" sense of things. But not in the Post-Mill sense.

These end times views just makes no sense at all. And yes I have read a lot of books on the topic. But not Fruchtenbaum. Unless someone who really is premill and wants to convince me is willing to put out the $80+ dollars Canadian to read his tome.

As for being a "zombie" Christian, I am insulted. My life and ministry is dedicated to Christ. My time, my home, my money is all for Christ. My heart is to read the Bible, and for God to be revealed more and more in my heart and life.

I won't listen to the video, as I have better things to do with my time than be insulted by people with a poor theological understanding of end times. And that goes for the OP. I thought better of you, JIA
 
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JesusIsAll

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Zombie Christians? You mean like the 'night of the living dead'? Now we're getting somewhere. I don like it but it is what it is.
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No! Now, when the Lord comes for His bride, maybe the night of the living alive? Knowing you, this night of the living dead thing was probably just some social gathering of pastors that crossed your mind...
 
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JesusIsAll

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Angela53510 said:
Seeing as "harpazo" refers more to the fictitious and unscriptural rapture, and not the second coming of Christ, maybe we need to use the right word?

The "Parousia" is the word for the second coming of Christ. Something I look forward to every single day, and even hoping it happens during my lifetime, but only if my children and grandhchildren are saved. Because that is the end.

I'm Amillennial, because the Bible doesn't support a rapture, as I have posted so many times. I also think that one chapter of the Bible - Rev. 20 where the word "millennium" occurs is simply not enough to form an entire doctrine. And of course, the Pre-Mill view of the millennium makes even less sense. Because if this is a Kingdom with Jesus ruling and reigning, then why on earth do things go bad at the end? Well, that is true for Post-Mill too, I guess. Since we are already supposed to be living in the Kingdom. Well, we are I guess, in the "already and not yet" sense of things. But not in the Post-Mill sense.

These end times views just makes no sense at all. And yes I have read a lot of books on the topic. But not Fruchtenbaum. Unless someone who really is premill and wants to convince me is willing to put out the $80+ dollars Canadian to read his tome.

As for being a "zombie" Christian, I am insulted. My life and ministry is dedicated to Christ. My time, my home, my money is all for Christ. My heart is to read the Bible, and for God to be revealed more and more in my heart and life.

I won't listen to the video, as I have better things to do with my time than be insulted by people with a poor theological understanding of end times. And that goes for the OP. I thought better of you, JIA
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First, "zombie Christian" was termed to insult people who believe as I do, by people who believe like you do, who are not insulting themselves. You need to pay a little more attention. Second, I don't mind a bit, call me whatever you want. I'm generally a hopeful person, that someday you will put together the blessed hope and come to understand this truth, clear to many, many seminary scholars. We haven't all fallen off a cabbage truck, as well as there being good and bad seminaries, those who know and those who don't know what they're teaching. You can have a truckload of books, all completely useless, absent the Holy Spirit to guide into all truth.

The likes of John Walvoord, many such, I mean a long list of preeminent scholars, would have no agreement with your stand, would wonder what Bible you're reading. Something to bear in mind, pulling out this or that scholar card works equally, even moreso, both ways. You have no scholar who can't be matched or trumped. Even the maligned Tim LeHaye is Dr. LeHaye.

In any event, please pay attention to who the zombie Christian actually is, which is me, not you, before getting your shorts in a bunch! That you think ill of me, this is also alright, as it's not about me, I don't care: it's about God's truth. A lot of people don't like many different truths, but this is a personal problem: I, actually, have nothing to do with. I didn't invent any of what I believe. Actually, you need to blame the Lord, for teaching the rapture you don't like. He started it, not me. The Lord even told you to pray to be worthy at His appearing, which it seems you can't do. I did a thread about that you also slammed, but, in this thread, too, is the verse as plain as the nose on your face, a prayer you can't make as commanded, since you deny the truth behind it. You really should think about that more.
 
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Zombie Christians? You mean like the 'night of the living dead'? Now we're getting somewhere. I don like it but it is what it is.
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Some of my Christian friends think Halloween falls on the day the firstborn of Egypt were slain by the Angel of death.
 
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Wow I feel so sorry for people who think like this. Their foot's in a snare and they will never know when they've been taken. (pun noted but not intended)
 
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Angela53510 said:
Seeing as "harpazo" refers more to the fictitious and unscriptural rapture, and not the second coming of Christ, maybe we need to use the right word?

The "Parousia" is the word for the second coming of Christ. Something I look forward to every single day, and even hoping it happens during my lifetime, but only if my children and grandhchildren are saved. Because that is the end.

I'm Amillennial, because the Bible doesn't support a rapture, as I have posted so many times. I also think that one chapter of the Bible - Rev. 20 where the word "millennium" occurs is simply not enough to form an entire doctrine. And of course, the Pre-Mill view of the millennium makes even less sense. Because if this is a Kingdom with Jesus ruling and reigning, then why on earth do things go bad at the end? Well, that is true for Post-Mill too, I guess. Since we are already supposed to be living in the Kingdom. Well, we are I guess, in the "already and not yet" sense of things. But not in the Post-Mill sense.

These end times views just makes no sense at all. And yes I have read a lot of books on the topic. But not Fruchtenbaum. Unless someone who really is premill and wants to convince me is willing to put out the $80+ dollars Canadian to read his tome.

As for being a "zombie" Christian, I am insulted. My life and ministry is dedicated to Christ. My time, my home, my money is all for Christ. My heart is to read the Bible, and for God to be revealed more and more in my heart and life.

I won't listen to the video, as I have better things to do with my time than be insulted by people with a poor theological understanding of end times. And that goes for the OP. I thought better of you, JIA
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I believe in Premilleniism and I probably have totally different authors than you. I see that Fruchtebaum's book was forewarned by Dr. Charles Ryrie. I can send it to you. Thanks for the book recommendation. Just pm me and I can send the book.
 
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Angela53510 said:
Seeing as "harpazo" refers more to the fictitious and unscriptural rapture, and not the second coming of Christ, maybe we need to use the right word?

The "Parousia" is the word for the second coming of Christ. Something I look forward to every single day, and even hoping it happens during my lifetime, but only if my children and grandhchildren are saved. Because that is the end.
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By the way, harpazo is the Greek for the catching away of the bride of Christ in the original texts. I have no idea what you're calling fictitious: maybe you need to do all your homework? As to the thought you'd prefer not to see the Lord, until the situation with your grandchildren is sorted out, this seems an oddly narcissistic expectation, reflecting a divided love. There are others in the body of Christ with their aspirations where the Lord is concerned. I don't know if you've thought of it this way, that maybe it doesn't, and shouldn't, come down to you or your grandchildren, even to you?
 
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Revelation 22:20-21 (NASB)

[SUP]20 [/SUP] He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Grace777x70 said:
Revelation 22:20-21 (NASB)

[SUP]20 [/SUP] He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.
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A couple of my most dearly loved verses, and the last of the Bible, perhaps some of the best, for last? Thank you for posting them! Revelation 21 and 22 are simply beautiful, amazing chapters.
 
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Well considering I was dead and then when was brought to life I would say yes I am in fact a zombie Christian:b
 
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JesusIsAll

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Blain said:
Well considering I was dead and then when was brought to life I would say yes I am in fact a zombie Christian:b
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It's the sort of insult I love. When you see the fangs come out, surrounding certain fundamental doctrines, you know somebody's upset, and, where there's smoke, there's fire. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." When it comes to truths the devil hates, some people it's, "Oh! You don't like that? Did that hit a nerve? Well praise the Lord! Must have said something good!"
 
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Lol,...JesusIsAll
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You quack me up! :)
 
Grace777x70

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JesusIsAll said:
A couple of my most dearly loved verses, and the last of the Bible, perhaps some of the best, for last? Thank you for posting them! Revelation 21 and 22 are simply beautiful, amazing chapters.
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I can't wait to rush into His arms...heaven is going to be beautiful but it is Him that makes it beautiful!..All of heaven is attracted to Jesus.

This what is the most precious thing to me about the gospel of the grace of Christ....the freedom to always run to Him as we are secure in His and the Father's arms and heart.
 
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JesusIsAll

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skylove7 said:
Lol,...JesusIsAll
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You quack me up! :)
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Maybe I should have told you to duck? When it comes to the things of God and message boards, better a quack than a hack, Skylove, and the Lord bless you, even when quacked-up! Speaking of which,

A young ventriloquist is touring the clubs and stops to entertain at a bar in a small town. He's going through his usual run of stupid blond jokes, when a big blond woman in the fourth row stands on her chair and says: "I've heard just about enough of your denigrating blond jokes! What makes you think you can stereotype women that way? What does a person's physical attributes have to do with their worth as a human being? It's guys like you who keep women like me from being respected at work and in my community, of reaching my full potential as a person, because you and your kind continue to perpetuate discrimination against not only blondes but women at large... all in the name of humor."

Flustered, the ventriloquist begins to apologize, but the blond stops him. "You stay out of this, Mister! I'm talking to that little jerk on your knee!"
 
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JesusIsAll

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Grace777x70 said:
I can't wait to rush into His arms...heaven is going to be beautiful but it is Him that makes it beautiful!..All of heaven is attracted to Jesus.

This what is the most precious thing to me about the gospel of the grace of Christ....the freedom to always run to Him as we are secure in His and the Father's arms and heart.
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Yes, He is worthy in all things, and in all ways, altogether lovely: a real reason to live, just because He is.
 
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