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[video=youtube;vHnFbbcLYxo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHnFbbcLYxo[/video]
Sorry Calvin, God Elected Israel (Part 1 of 2) | DouglasHamp.com
Sorry Calvin, God Elected Israel (Part 1 of 2) | DouglasHamp.com
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Except Calvinists are not reading the Bible from the Greek but most likely from the King James and there were a few Calvinists which helped bias the translation through Bible translation:
Translations Weaknesses of the King James Version KJV
Translations Weaknesses of the King James Version KJV
I'm not an apologist for Calvinists by any means only trying to see fair representation...but when it comes to the KJV some of the most ardent die hards are Arminians who never heard of early manuscripts dating hundreds of years before 1611. BTW, Calvinists have some top notch Greek scholars as well.
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This passage caught my attention the other day:
1 Peter 1 (NIV)
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,
2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, ...
The NASB does not have 'elect' here, but it does have 'chosen according to the foreknowledge'. It appears that the elect are those in Christ, by this passage. However, I haven't done any significant work on the subject, so I don't hold any particular view. Yet.
1 Peter 1 (NIV)
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,
2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, ...
The NASB does not have 'elect' here, but it does have 'chosen according to the foreknowledge'. It appears that the elect are those in Christ, by this passage. However, I haven't done any significant work on the subject, so I don't hold any particular view. Yet.
Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Galatians 3:26-29
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:26-29
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Sorry, but just reading the title to the video doesn't make it attractive, to me anyway. In the New Testament, the elect are those in Christ. In Old Testament, Israel is also mentioned as elect, no arguing they are not an elect people the Lord has specially dealt with. God is not done with Israel, they still also an elect people for His purposes, though unbelieving Jews not elect in New Testament terms.
As to Replacement Theology notions, the Lord is quite capable enough to use church if He means church, and Israel if He means Israel. This is another example how -isms of denominational gurus have injected false doctrines into the word of God, often Satanic anti-Semitism lurking behind some of these doctrines, another spirit, not the Holy Spirit.
Anybody saying New Testament elect are not Christians should really come up with something better to found their own denomination or cult following upon.
As to Replacement Theology notions, the Lord is quite capable enough to use church if He means church, and Israel if He means Israel. This is another example how -isms of denominational gurus have injected false doctrines into the word of God, often Satanic anti-Semitism lurking behind some of these doctrines, another spirit, not the Holy Spirit.
Anybody saying New Testament elect are not Christians should really come up with something better to found their own denomination or cult following upon.
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Actually, I simply agree because it's apparent God chose Israel. I see God not changing between OT and NT, only the participants in the covenant change. The OT was a covenant between Jehovah and Man. Man broke it, (again and again and again.) So NT is a covenant between Jehovah and Jesus. God v. God. God still did the choosing, and he elected some before Jesus came, when Jesus came, and after Jesus came.
Not that big a deal, (unless you're one of the elect, and then it's the biggest deal ever!) Doesn't require manipulating God's word to say something I want it to say. It says what it says. God has himself a people. Always.
Not that big a deal, (unless you're one of the elect, and then it's the biggest deal ever!) Doesn't require manipulating God's word to say something I want it to say. It says what it says. God has himself a people. Always.
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Not to mention -- if folks want to get picky -- our Bible, (if we ever stuck to just one), was the Geneva, which is cool, since the KJV scholars used that too. When I first became a believer, I did have a KJV. (Hey, the missionary was handing them out for free. lol) I was Arminian back then. When we became Calvinists, it seems NIV was the one being used in all the churches. (Probably because some of the scholars were part of my denomination.) Last I heard it was the ESV, but that was a decade ago, so I have no idea what they're using today.
Really kills off the KJV assumption though, doesn't it? lol
And, I'm responding to you, crossnote, because you're willing to be fair.
Really kills off the KJV assumption though, doesn't it? lol
And, I'm responding to you, crossnote, because you're willing to be fair.
Israel is elect among the nations. This is not an individual election but a national election. Elect to be the receiver and giver of Gods word to the nations.
Those who are in Christ are elect unto eternal life. Predestined from before the foundation of the world to inherit eternal life through Christ.
Election on a personal level. God casts one vote for you. The devil casts one vote for you. You must cast the deciding vote.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Those who are in Christ are elect unto eternal life. Predestined from before the foundation of the world to inherit eternal life through Christ.
Election on a personal level. God casts one vote for you. The devil casts one vote for you. You must cast the deciding vote.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger