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I'm telling you that your salvation is based on the finished work of Christ. Why would you want to sin all you want when you are a new creation in Christ? Paul himself was accused at least 4x times of saying "what should we sin now so that grace would abound?"
If when you preach the gospel of the grace of Christ - no one say to you -"What are you saying we can sin all we want?"..if no one says that to you - you have not preached the same gospel that Paul preached.
Still you did not answer my question. People fall back into old habits daily if its adultary or witchcraft. but if people can do that without loosing their salvation as some people do not find some things a sin eventhou its forbidden, I am glad that i will find a bigger family in heaven than I thought
Yep theyre bound by the enemy and it makes me sad
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eternally-gratefull
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I am sick of this gnostic crap. It is a lie! and just a foolhardy way to try to divert from the fact your a modern day pharisee trying to earn your way to heaven.
It is based on the idea that we are made new creatures. Not still dogs who love to eat our vomit, Or pigs who love to wallow in the mire. But sheep. Who follow their Sheppard. and need led Who sometimes walk away, but know ur true Shepperd will never leave us he will eave the entire flock to find the one lost sheep. WHo know his voice, and will always follow after him.
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eternally-gratefull
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Did I mention you? well I didnt and If you had a idea who I am talking about you wouldnt be asking
Oh my..Jesus is not saying this "man-made nonsense" too about there are sheep and goats. I wonder if He knows that His doctrine is man-made?
You are either a sheep ( and He knows His sheep - believer in Christ ) or a goat ( unbeliever in Christ ). You don't turn into a goat if you sin and then if you stop that particular sin - you turn back into a sheep again. This is the man-made nonsense. There are no such thing as "shoats" either.
Matthew 25:32-33 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[SUP]33 [/SUP] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
You are either a sheep ( and He knows His sheep - believer in Christ ) or a goat ( unbeliever in Christ ). You don't turn into a goat if you sin and then if you stop that particular sin - you turn back into a sheep again. This is the man-made nonsense. There are no such thing as "shoats" either.
Matthew 25:32-33 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[SUP]33 [/SUP] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of faith does not = essence of faith, which would mean that faith "is" works. Faith works through love because believers are alive in Christ. See Ephesians 2:5. Also see Romans 5:5 and 1 John 4:19. Love and good works characterizing our faith still does not mean that works are the very essence of faith. Yes, man produces works, but it's through faith.
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eternally-gratefull
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I must ask sis,
Are you sinless?
If your not.
As you said,
speaks of you also.
We can not seperate sins, That is what the pharisees did, They did not commit these pet sin, so they thought they were righteous While they ignored the sins they did commit, and thought they were ok.
James said if we break the least of the law. we are guilty of it all.
A lie in Gods eyes is just as bad as murder. So we are all in the same boat. there ae non righteous, no not one.
now a so called christian who practices witchcraft. I would doubt they were ever saved, Why would you go to that unless that is what you had faith in to begin with?
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eternally-gratefull
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I am they who believe my salvation is secure in christ forever,
SO if you speak against them, you speak against me.
Demi, I can tell you by painful experience, that the born again Christian that doesn't do as the Holy Spirit directs is miserable. NOT lost.
If you truly are born anew, and you go out and "raise hell", you will be grieving the Holy Spirit. He don't like that! Your new heart, the new creation that you are, don't like that either. ONLY your flesh will like it, and you might have to go through some very rough chastisement and learning.
ALL of that is seconadary to the FACT that Jesus does the saving ANDkeeping. Did He not say that He would NEVER leave you nor forsake you?
How could He leave you then if you are born again?
Peace, Love, and Grace to you.
BTW, I think you are very refreshing and loving toward your brothers and sisters, and are glad you are here.
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eternally-gratefull
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Read carefully the book of 1 Cor. These people were going to the temple prostitutes for sex, getting drunk at communion, going to court against each other, they were causing divisions and strife with each other. Yet what did Paul do?
Paul told them who they were in Christ..then corrected their behavior..he didn't say you were all unsaved now..lol
..he told them who they were in Christ..saints..they have His righteousness, holiness..etc....so that they would grow up in Christ and stop being a carnal Christian governed by our senses.
1 Corinthians 1:1-9 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus
[SUP]5 [/SUP] that in everything you were enriched in Him, in all speech and all knowledge,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] even as the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]8[/SUP] who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
[SUP]31 [/SUP] so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."
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The sheep are those who's names were written in the book of life before the foundation of the world.
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To those who are lurking or even those outside of this site looking in, look at the responses of those who deny eternal security. Just as I commented near the beginning of this thread, those opposed to eternal security rarely, if at all mention the blood of Christ(but the blood is CENTRAL to our salvation). When someone says a blood bought saint can end up going to hell, is to depreciate the blood of Christ! Satan hates the blood of Christ! Satan always distracts people away from it, and if he can't block out the blood of Christ, he depreciates the blood!
"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Rev 1:5
"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Rev 1:5
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The blood can't save anything by itself. Faith in the blood is what saves. That would active living faith, not past faith.
Man is saved as he as he abides in GOD's word through faith daily.
But he answered [and] said, “It is written, ‘Man will not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes out of the mouth of God.” Matthew 4:4
I am the bread of life. John 6:48
Give us today our daily bread, Matthew 6:11
Yesterday's faith is like day-old manna.
Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of [the manna] until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them. Exodus 16:20
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Yeah well ive seen people walk in the spirit and then fall back into evil just by givinng in. and they loose themselve or theyre life. Theres always a flip side and I do not want people to forget that
