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Yes it is disobedient for what God has put together let not man put asunder. The two have become one flesh. However Jesus did give grounds for divorce and that was a sexually habitual violator and Paul goes even further that if you are saved and your spouse refuses then you are free from that bondage, But encourages you to stay seeing that you do not if your spouse will get saved by your actions.
Yes God hates divorce. Scripture says that God gave Moses the writing of divorcement because the hearts of the people were hard.
Disobedient and self willed describes mankind.
Mt 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Disobedient and self willed describes mankind.
Mt 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I agree, any sexual immorality or abuse is grounds for divorce. I personally believe if there is any hope of keeping the marriage together, if the one who is immoral is willing to repent and seek help, divorce is not something to just automatically jump into. Prayer should always come before taking action.
I didn't file for divorce for about 5 months even after finding out my ex was molesting our daughters. I wanted to see if he was willing to follow court orders and get help, which he proved for that entire time he was going to fight any and every thing. It came down to the best interest of the children to file for divorce because there was protection that could be put in place that they would not otherwise get.
I didn't file for divorce for about 5 months even after finding out my ex was molesting our daughters. I wanted to see if he was willing to follow court orders and get help, which he proved for that entire time he was going to fight any and every thing. It came down to the best interest of the children to file for divorce because there was protection that could be put in place that they would not otherwise get.
I have never really heard of arranged marriages in the west, but I do know that some people carry their culture here. I would think an arranged marriage, one in which either the wife or husband was forced to marry, would be grounds for an annulment. An annulment says the marriage was never there in the first place. Which is not divorce!
If you have been forced to marry against your will, please contact a lawyer who can help you dissolve this marriage. I know if the marriage is working, then it is not something God wants to stop. But anyone that has been forced into an abusive marriage because their family demanded it, should not be responsible, especially if the marriage was on pain of death. God does not want anyone to suffer in an abusive marriage, particularly if the person was forced into that kind of marriage.
God has never condoned divorce. God has tolerated divorce in certain instances for specific reasons. God also does not allow for remarriage. Remarriage is again an accommodation for the sinfulness in mans heart.
God is always grieved by divorce. Only Gods great capacity for compassion and mercy allows for Him to overlook divorce and withhold judgment.
Why are we always looking for some excuse to excuse our sin? Divorce is always a heartbreak and causes great loss. It can be the only solution but it is never good.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God is always grieved by divorce. Only Gods great capacity for compassion and mercy allows for Him to overlook divorce and withhold judgment.
Why are we always looking for some excuse to excuse our sin? Divorce is always a heartbreak and causes great loss. It can be the only solution but it is never good.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Marriage is meant to reflect the covenant God has made with His Son,
Whom we are to be given to in marriage, when we become one with Him.
Idolatry is often portrayed as adultery, the worshiping of false gods...
that is why God had Hosea marry the prostitute, Gomer. Have you
seen the names they were told to give to their children?
Hosea's family life reflected the "adulterous" relationship which Israel had built with polytheistic gods. The relationship between Hosea and Gomer parallels the relationship between God and Israel. Even though Gomer runs away from Hosea and sleeps with another man, he loves her anyway and forgives her. Likewise, even though the people of Israel worshipped false gods, God continued to love them and did not abandon his covenant with them.
Similarly, his children's names made them like walking prophecies of the fall of the ruling dynasty and the severed covenant with God – much like the prophet Isaiah a generation later. The name of Hosea's daughter, Lo-ruhamah, which translates as "not pitied", is chosen by God as a sign of displeasure with the people of Israel for following false gods. (In Hosea 2:23 she is redeemed, shown mercy with the term Ruhamah.) The name of Hosea's son, Lo-ammi, which translates as "not my people", is chosen by the Lord as a sign of the Lord's displeasure with the people of Israel for following those false gods (see Hosea 1:8-9). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosea
Whom we are to be given to in marriage, when we become one with Him.
Idolatry is often portrayed as adultery, the worshiping of false gods...
that is why God had Hosea marry the prostitute, Gomer. Have you
seen the names they were told to give to their children?
Hosea's family life reflected the "adulterous" relationship which Israel had built with polytheistic gods. The relationship between Hosea and Gomer parallels the relationship between God and Israel. Even though Gomer runs away from Hosea and sleeps with another man, he loves her anyway and forgives her. Likewise, even though the people of Israel worshipped false gods, God continued to love them and did not abandon his covenant with them.
Similarly, his children's names made them like walking prophecies of the fall of the ruling dynasty and the severed covenant with God – much like the prophet Isaiah a generation later. The name of Hosea's daughter, Lo-ruhamah, which translates as "not pitied", is chosen by God as a sign of displeasure with the people of Israel for following false gods. (In Hosea 2:23 she is redeemed, shown mercy with the term Ruhamah.) The name of Hosea's son, Lo-ammi, which translates as "not my people", is chosen by the Lord as a sign of the Lord's displeasure with the people of Israel for following those false gods (see Hosea 1:8-9). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosea
we, as speaking of all of the generations up to these 'last-times', we really have no real
Biblical knowledge or Biblical order or respect of what our Father's intentions were for us,
spoken and written to us to do according to the Godly order, reality of His planned, Holy-Spiritual-Marriage....
the god of this world has corrupted, once again, as in so many other areas, the reality of
a true, honest, Holy, Godly marriage...
I speak from one of the worst victims of satan's 'counterfeit marriages,....
I pray that you try and imagine how my heart and my love for my Maker has blossomed
into pure, refined, Holy joy, when He released me, and revealed to me and brought me into the bosom of
the blessed God-sent-man that He had designed/made for me to come to through His endless grace....
and yes, all of the hell, indignation, pain, and horror, are forgotten...my thankfulness and gratitude,
and the reality of God's true Holy Love is expressed in how I live my new-life for Him...
Biblical knowledge or Biblical order or respect of what our Father's intentions were for us,
spoken and written to us to do according to the Godly order, reality of His planned, Holy-Spiritual-Marriage....
the god of this world has corrupted, once again, as in so many other areas, the reality of
a true, honest, Holy, Godly marriage...
I speak from one of the worst victims of satan's 'counterfeit marriages,....
I pray that you try and imagine how my heart and my love for my Maker has blossomed
into pure, refined, Holy joy, when He released me, and revealed to me and brought me into the bosom of
the blessed God-sent-man that He had designed/made for me to come to through His endless grace....
and yes, all of the hell, indignation, pain, and horror, are forgotten...my thankfulness and gratitude,
and the reality of God's true Holy Love is expressed in how I live my new-life for Him...
C
When you get married, you are really marrying a sinner and people are blind to their own sins.
1 Corinthians 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
I've been to many Bible studies where people don't speak up or know anything.
It is hard for young people because a lot of them are not old enough to have any serious Bible study under their belt.
On top of this, the bible isn't taught anymore in a lot of churches and some churches have a ten minute sermon.
If you read the Barna report, some people think that Joan of Ark was Noah's wife.
The truth is that biblical principles are taught in church over the word of God.
The other problem is that there might be time apart generationally and the values are different.
There are other problems but I think this forum is PG.
1 Corinthians 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
I've been to many Bible studies where people don't speak up or know anything.
It is hard for young people because a lot of them are not old enough to have any serious Bible study under their belt.
On top of this, the bible isn't taught anymore in a lot of churches and some churches have a ten minute sermon.
If you read the Barna report, some people think that Joan of Ark was Noah's wife.
The truth is that biblical principles are taught in church over the word of God.
The other problem is that there might be time apart generationally and the values are different.
There are other problems but I think this forum is PG.
Very good question Sharon38.
The number one reason why divorce happens is unforgiveness. the Number two reason is Pride. The number three reason why divorce happen people do not fear the word of God nor hold it reverently to their heart. God is so Committed to us that HE still endured the Cross. Jesus laid down His life for an unfaithful bride, fornicator, Liar, Murderer and Blasphemer. Yet Divorce was not an option would you divorce you? God would not. The Bible is very clear on Divorce it should not be . However, today the church has to be involved in supporting marriages between and man and women and we need to speak more on what strengthens marriages not only what has ended them.
The number one reason why divorce happens is unforgiveness. the Number two reason is Pride. The number three reason why divorce happen people do not fear the word of God nor hold it reverently to their heart. God is so Committed to us that HE still endured the Cross. Jesus laid down His life for an unfaithful bride, fornicator, Liar, Murderer and Blasphemer. Yet Divorce was not an option would you divorce you? God would not. The Bible is very clear on Divorce it should not be . However, today the church has to be involved in supporting marriages between and man and women and we need to speak more on what strengthens marriages not only what has ended them.
S
God does hate divorce. It separates families, which is not His design.
There are two flawed, sinful persons in a marriage, though, and sometimes the situation is beyond retrieval because one or both parties doesn't want to work it out, and is not in submission to God.
I don't think it's the job of other Christians to be the fruit inspectors regarding a given person's marriage, though. They rarely know all the facts. The offended party might not want to publicly disgrace the offending party, so they may be keeping details from being public knowledge. We assume we know all the facts and judge others harshly when its really between the two individuals and God.
I see a few "fruit inspectors" in the bible study chat room when it comes to these issues, besides holding abominable extremes such as claiming that an intact family must separate at conversion if one of the parties was previously incorrectly divorced.
The cult that I belonged to as a young believer taught such a view, and it created havoc amongst many families who joined them. In addition, some of the new converts committed suicide because they believed the cult was the "one true church" and they were unable to live without their families due to this understanding.
The funny thing is that the founder of the group came to "new understanding" about this doctrine when he wanted to marry a much younger lady who had been previously divorced incorrectly according to the teaching. Funny how that happens..
And I bet the few people who hold similar positions in the bible study chatroom would do the same thing in the same circumstance. Pharisees are like that Mercy is not in their vocabulary until they need it personally.
By the way I've never been divorced or never been married to a divorced person, nor do I plan to be married period, so this issue doesn't affect me personally.
There's a good book on this topic called Divorce and Remarriage by Ralph Woodrow about this issue if anyone is interested in studying it in more detail.
There are two flawed, sinful persons in a marriage, though, and sometimes the situation is beyond retrieval because one or both parties doesn't want to work it out, and is not in submission to God.
I don't think it's the job of other Christians to be the fruit inspectors regarding a given person's marriage, though. They rarely know all the facts. The offended party might not want to publicly disgrace the offending party, so they may be keeping details from being public knowledge. We assume we know all the facts and judge others harshly when its really between the two individuals and God.
I see a few "fruit inspectors" in the bible study chat room when it comes to these issues, besides holding abominable extremes such as claiming that an intact family must separate at conversion if one of the parties was previously incorrectly divorced.
The cult that I belonged to as a young believer taught such a view, and it created havoc amongst many families who joined them. In addition, some of the new converts committed suicide because they believed the cult was the "one true church" and they were unable to live without their families due to this understanding.
The funny thing is that the founder of the group came to "new understanding" about this doctrine when he wanted to marry a much younger lady who had been previously divorced incorrectly according to the teaching. Funny how that happens..
And I bet the few people who hold similar positions in the bible study chatroom would do the same thing in the same circumstance. Pharisees are like that
Mercy is not in their vocabulary until they need it personally.By the way I've never been divorced or never been married to a divorced person, nor do I plan to be married period, so this issue doesn't affect me personally.
There's a good book on this topic called Divorce and Remarriage by Ralph Woodrow about this issue if anyone is interested in studying it in more detail.
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Divorce is always a matter of a hardness of heart like Jesus said.
Matthew 19:7-8 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] They *said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?
[SUP]8 [/SUP] He *said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
Hardness of heart to us Christians today occurs when we relate more to the natural realm then to the spiritual realm and to the words of the Lord spoken over us.
Matthew 19:7-8 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] They *said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?
[SUP]8 [/SUP] He *said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
Hardness of heart to us Christians today occurs when we relate more to the natural realm then to the spiritual realm and to the words of the Lord spoken over us.
God does hate divorce. It separates families, which is not His design.
There are two flawed, sinful persons in a marriage, though, and sometimes the situation is beyond retrieval because one or both parties doesn't want to work it out, and is not in submission to God.
I don't think it's the job of other Christians to be the fruit inspectors regarding a given person's marriage, though. They rarely know all the facts. The offended party might not want to publicly disgrace the offending party, so they may be keeping details from being public knowledge. We assume we know all the facts and judge others harshly when its really between the two individuals and God.
I see a few "fruit inspectors" in the bible study chat room when it comes to these issues, besides holding abominable extremes such as claiming that an intact family must separate at conversion if one of the parties was previously incorrectly divorced.
The cult that I belonged to as a young believer taught such a view, and it created havoc amongst many families who joined them. In addition, some of the new converts committed suicide because they believed the cult was the "one true church" and they were unable to live without their families due to this understanding.
The funny thing is that the founder of the group came to "new understanding" about this doctrine when he wanted to marry a much younger lady who had been previously divorced incorrectly according to the teaching. Funny how that happens..
And I bet the few people who hold similar positions in the bible study chatroom would do the same thing in the same circumstance. Pharisees are like that Mercy is not in their vocabulary until they need it personally.
By the way I've never been divorced or never been married to a divorced person, nor do I plan to be married period, so this issue doesn't affect me personally.
There's a good book on this topic called Divorce and Remarriage by Ralph Woodrow about this issue if anyone is interested in studying it in more detail.
There are two flawed, sinful persons in a marriage, though, and sometimes the situation is beyond retrieval because one or both parties doesn't want to work it out, and is not in submission to God.
I don't think it's the job of other Christians to be the fruit inspectors regarding a given person's marriage, though. They rarely know all the facts. The offended party might not want to publicly disgrace the offending party, so they may be keeping details from being public knowledge. We assume we know all the facts and judge others harshly when its really between the two individuals and God.
I see a few "fruit inspectors" in the bible study chat room when it comes to these issues, besides holding abominable extremes such as claiming that an intact family must separate at conversion if one of the parties was previously incorrectly divorced.
The cult that I belonged to as a young believer taught such a view, and it created havoc amongst many families who joined them. In addition, some of the new converts committed suicide because they believed the cult was the "one true church" and they were unable to live without their families due to this understanding.
The funny thing is that the founder of the group came to "new understanding" about this doctrine when he wanted to marry a much younger lady who had been previously divorced incorrectly according to the teaching. Funny how that happens..
And I bet the few people who hold similar positions in the bible study chatroom would do the same thing in the same circumstance. Pharisees are like that
Mercy is not in their vocabulary until they need it personally.By the way I've never been divorced or never been married to a divorced person, nor do I plan to be married period, so this issue doesn't affect me personally.
There's a good book on this topic called Divorce and Remarriage by Ralph Woodrow about this issue if anyone is interested in studying it in more detail.