DO NOT TOUCH IT!

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GEN 3:2

"The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”"

OK ... so whenever we think of Adam and Eve and their disobedience we remember that they ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But, personally, I always forget that they were commanded not to touch it either.

I think there must have been something for us to learn by that, and would be interested in hearing what scriptures, if any, the Holy Spirit brings to you on the subject.

Is this kin to what Jesus said about adultery...MATT 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

And also ... what were all the sins involved in that one disobedience? I think covetry of God's throne ... and maybe adultery too .... anything else?


 
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And when the woman saw that the tree [was]

  1. good for food, and that it [was]
  2. pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be
  3. desired to make [one] wise,
she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Genesis 3:6

For all that [is] in the world,

  1. the lust of the flesh, and
  2. the lust of the eyes, and
  3. the pride of life,
is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:16
 
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And when the woman saw that the tree [was]

  1. good for food, and that it [was]
  2. pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be
  3. desired to make [one] wise,
she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Genesis 3:6

For all that [is] in the world,

  1. the lust of the flesh, and
  2. the lust of the eyes, and
  3. the pride of life,
is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:16
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And [when the holy spirit] comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment:

  1. concerning sin, because they do not believe in me, and
  2. concerning righteousness, because I am going away to the Father and you will see me no more, and
  3. concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. John 16:8-11
And they overcame him by

  1. the blood of the Lamb, and by
  2. the word of their witness; and
  3. they loved not their lives unto death. Revelation 12:11
 
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thepsalmist said:
And also ... what were all the sins involved in that one disobedience? I think covetry of God's throne ... and maybe adultery too .... anything else?
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Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Eve committed all of these,the lust of the flesh,for she saw the tree was good for food,the lust of the eyes,for she saw it was pleasant to the eyes,and the pride of life,for she considered it a tree to be desired to make one wise.

As far as do not touch it,I do not know if it has any significance,but this,God told them to leave the tree alone,do not touch it,do not eat off of it,do not sit and stare at it for hours,do not have any interest in the tree.

Leave that tree alone,which God did not want them to eat of it,so God did not want them to touch it,which you can look at it as a temptation by touching it,that could lead to eating it,but I believe God said,do not touch it,to illustrate the point,leave that tree alone,and do not have any interest in it,for I said so.

Do not dance around it,do not wonder about it when thou liest down,and when thou risest up,and so forth,leave that tree alone,for all the things they do concerning that tree,with the exception of eating the fruit,are all temptations that could lead to eating it,and also leave that tree alone.

Why are you wondering about that tree,why are you glancing at it from time to time,and can't keep your eyes off it,why are you walking by it smelling in the air trying to get a whiff of what it smells like,leave that tree alone

The tree had to be in the garden,because it is obvious that God gave them a choice,because His kingdom is true love.
 
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I wonder also why they did not feel drawn to the tree of life ... God had not forbidden it ... as far as we know.
 
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thepsalmist said:
GEN 3:2

"The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”"

OK ... so whenever we think of Adam and Eve and their disobedience we remember that they ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But, personally, I always forget that they were commanded not to touch it either.

I think there must have been something for us to learn by that, and would be interested in hearing what scriptures, if any, the Holy Spirit brings to you on the subject.

Is this kin to what Jesus said about adultery...MATT 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

And also ... what were all the sins involved in that one disobedience? I think covetry of God's throne ... and maybe adultery too .... anything else?
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Go back to Genesis 2:17 to see what God said.
The words " you must not touch it" were added my Eve. God never said that.
Like some on this forum, she added to what God said.
 
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Persuaded said:
Go back to Genesis 2:17 to see what God said.
The words " you must not touch it" were added my Eve. God never said that.
Like some on this forum, she added to what God said.
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Ahhh ... that might explain why I keep forgetting it ... Holy Spirit reminds us of truth not lies ...

That could be it ... Thanks for pointing out that scripture. :)
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
I'm sure they ate of it frequently.
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I believe they did eat off the tree of life,for it was not forbidden to eat off of it,and having the whole garden,and being a new creation,not experiencing eating food for an extended period of time,seeing they did not grow up as children to adults,because they were created as adults,they were probably like a kid in a candy store,trying everything out,for it would be their first time tasting it when they first started eating from the garden,so they would want to sample everything,so eventually they would get to the tree of life,in which all the food in the garden was top notch quality in taste,because it was the garden of Eden.There would be no substandard tasting food there,and they did not even care,or think about,eating from the tree of the knowledge of good,and evil,until Satan tempted Eve.

It was not forbidden to eat of the tree of life,so they must of eaten from it,for I cannot see why they would not,wanting to sample everything in the garden.It was only forbidden to eat of the tree after the were ousted from the garden,so God guarded the tree by 2 Cherubims,lest they eat of it,and live forever.

When they were innocent,and without sin,they could eat off the tree,but when they sinned,and in a sinful state,the tree was guarded so they could not eat of it.

But the tree of life will be restored in the New Jerusalem.
 
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Persuaded said:
Go back to Genesis 2:17 to see what God said.
The words " you must not touch it" were added my Eve. God never said that.
Like some on this forum, she added to what God said.
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Bingo, first occurrence of what can happen when we add to the word of God - confusion.
 
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thepsalmist said:
Ahhh ... that might explain why I keep forgetting it ... Holy Spirit reminds us of truth not lies ...

That could be it ... Thanks for pointing out that scripture. :)
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Why I always try to quote from a text. Once you take your eyes off of a text, you depend on memory.
 
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Just got home from Wed. bible study.
We began to study Gen. in Jan.
 
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Persuaded said:
Just got home from Wed. bible study.
We began to study Gen. in Jan.
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Nods ... God recently prompted me to go front to back through the Bible again myself ... And no matter how many times I re-read it I still always have new revelations, thoughts and questions to peruse. :) His word is awesome! :)
 
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thepsalmist said:
Nods ... God recently prompted me to go front to back through the Bible again myself ... And no matter how many times I re-read it I still always have new revelations, thoughts and questions to peruse. :) His word is awesome! :)
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Same, started this morning, didn't want to go to work.:)
 
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Persuaded said:
Go back to Genesis 2:17 to see what God said.
The words " you must not touch it" were added my Eve. God never said that.
Like some on this forum, she added to what God said.
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Good point! Satan's goal was to get to Adam. Satan didn't go directly to Adam but went to Eve to get Adam to disobey God. Sneaky devil! We read later in the Word:

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners..." Rom 5:19a


 
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Persuaded said:
Go back to Genesis 2:17 to see what God said.
The words " you must not touch it" were added my Eve. God never said that.
Like some on this forum, she added to what God said.
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Wow. I've never noticed that before and the early chapters of Genesis (1-11) are possibly my most favourite part of the Old Testament. That's a really good point. Adam and Eve may have even been able to squeeze the juice from the fruit for the animals and birds etc. but to partake of it themselves, that was forbidden.
 
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roaringkitten said:

Good point! Satan's goal was to get to Adam. Satan didn't go directly to Adam but went to Eve to get Adam to disobey God. Sneaky devil! We read later in the Word:

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners..." Rom 5:19a
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1 Timothy 2:14, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

Adam was not going to be deceived so the serpent would prey on Eve who would be deceived.
 
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roaringkitten said:

Good point! Satan's goal was to get to Adam. Satan didn't go directly to Adam but went to Eve to get Adam to disobey God. Sneaky devil! We read later in the Word:

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners..." Rom 5:19a
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Sharp observation my Roaring friend! :)
 
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Persuaded said:
Go back to Genesis 2:17 to see what God said.
The words " you must not touch it" were added my Eve. God never said that.
Like some on this forum, she added to what God said.
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What Eve did is an example of how wrong doctrine comes into being.
Add a word here. Take a word away here. Change a word here or their. Take a verse out of contex here or there.
As they say, "tell a lie often and with sincerity and people will began to believe it to be true".
 
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If Adam was not going to be deceived by satan, then what does this say that Eve he listened to? Is this a comment on woman's persuasion or power over man? Or mans loyalty to woman? Or mans not wishing to be alone? Or mans thinking God wanted us together even in sin? Or Adam just being lustful (I don't believe this last one was the case, but ya never know).
 
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