Need help with discussion of gays from biblical view

[Blain]

So I am on another forum sometimes and on there someone started a thread about the gays more specifically why they lust after the same sex.
Now I believe they are born with such desires and has to do with the genetic make up, they flipped out.
And so my reply was this
I'm sorry if i upset anyone with my remark of being genetic I will not deny it is a sin but my issue with it is this if it is not something they are born with than why do they have such desires? I doubt they can suddenly just choose to like the same sex, I mean I can if I wanted to choose to be sexually attracted to a fishing pole but if such a desire was never there to begin with it won't work.

If I chose to I too could choose to be sexually attracted to other men but in the end I would only be grossed out because no matter how much i would want to Theoretically speaking that is if such a desire was never there to begin with it's futile. Please note I am not here to promote the gay agenda or to promote the gay gene or support their lifestyle I am merely discussing these things to find the truth of the matter.
If it is not genes and seeing how it choosing to be gay would in fact imply first that the desire to be with the same sex had to be there to begin with even if it's only a little then what is the cause of it sin? I don't think it's sin because we all are sinners
Maybe I am out of league here? Is there biblical evidence that would explain the desires of the flesh for the same sex and and am i entering dangerous waters that I am not spiritually mature enough to tackle? And also this is not a thread to talk bad or to bash the gays and I will not tolerate such behavior either if I see ppl turning this into another sword to the neck for the gays I will have the mods delete this thread the last thing we need is another war thread

 

[wwjd_kilden]

I agree with your views Blain
I do not think people wake up one day and say "hey! I want to try to be gay!" Thus it is not a choice (at least not a conscious one) to love one of the same sex. Actions are different of course, but that goes for all sin.

I do think though, that people who are insecure are mislead because it is becoming popular to be gay

 

[PennEd]

So I am on another forum sometimes and on there someone started a thread about the gays more specifically why they lust after the same sex.
Now I believe they are born with such desires and has to do with the genetic make up, they flipped out.
And so my reply was this
I'm sorry if i upset anyone with my remark of being genetic I will not deny it is a sin but my issue with it is this if it is not something they are born with than why do they have such desires? I doubt they can suddenly just choose to like the same sex, I mean I can if I wanted to choose to be sexually attracted to a fishing pole but if such a desire was never there to begin with it won't work.

If I chose to I too could choose to be sexually attracted to other men but in the end I would only be grossed out because no matter how much i would want to Theoretically speaking that is if such a desire was never there to begin with it's futile. Please note I am not here to promote the gay agenda or to promote the gay gene or support their lifestyle I am merely discussing these things to find the truth of the matter.
If it is not genes and seeing how it choosing to be gay would in fact imply first that the desire to be with the same sex had to be there to begin with even if it's only a little then what is the cause of it sin? I don't think it's sin because we all are sinners
Maybe I am out of league here? Is there biblical evidence that would explain the desires of the flesh for the same sex and and am i entering dangerous waters that I am not spiritually mature enough to tackle? And also this is not a thread to talk bad or to bash the gays and I will not tolerate such behavior either if I see ppl turning this into another sword to the neck for the gays I will have the mods delete this thread the last thing we need is another war thread

The desires of homosexual sex are no different than ANY other desires that fall outside of God's plan for our lives. It's called sin. The alcoholic might be born with the alcoholic gene, the drug addict with the drug gene, the gossiper the gossip gene, the fornicator.... etc...The fact that we are born that way doesn't absolve us of committing those acts.

WE ALL are sinners, born into a fallen world. Therefore WE ALL need a Savior. I tell people what Jesus has done for ME, and how He freed me of MY sinful desires. Doesn't mean I STILL don't stumble, but He is transforming me, not only in the sense of having the power to say no, but also removing the desires themselves. Praise God!!

 

[dalconn]

Here's an article you might find helpful

Why Homosexuality Is Not Like Other Sins | Desiring God

 

[Mitspa]

So I am on another forum sometimes and on there someone started a thread about the gays more specifically why they lust after the same sex.
Now I believe they are born with such desires and has to do with the genetic make up, they flipped out.
And so my reply was this
I'm sorry if i upset anyone with my remark of being genetic I will not deny it is a sin but my issue with it is this if it is not something they are born with than why do they have such desires? I doubt they can suddenly just choose to like the same sex, I mean I can if I wanted to choose to be sexually attracted to a fishing pole but if such a desire was never there to begin with it won't work.

If I chose to I too could choose to be sexually attracted to other men but in the end I would only be grossed out because no matter how much i would want to Theoretically speaking that is if such a desire was never there to begin with it's futile. Please note I am not here to promote the gay agenda or to promote the gay gene or support their lifestyle I am merely discussing these things to find the truth of the matter.
If it is not genes and seeing how it choosing to be gay would in fact imply first that the desire to be with the same sex had to be there to begin with even if it's only a little then what is the cause of it sin? I don't think it's sin because we all are sinners
Maybe I am out of league here? Is there biblical evidence that would explain the desires of the flesh for the same sex and and am i entering dangerous waters that I am not spiritually mature enough to tackle? And also this is not a thread to talk bad or to bash the gays and I will not tolerate such behavior either if I see ppl turning this into another sword to the neck for the gays I will have the mods delete this thread the last thing we need is another war thread

we have to start here and separate ourselves from the gay agenda and propaganda ...there is no evidence of this genetic make-up anymore than the evidence that certain folks have a genetic make-up for other sexual perversions ..such as pedophiles . So you cant help anyone until you take away certain lies that the enemy has caused them to believe.

 

[Brainfreeze]

I think everyone has choices, and if someone just so happens to be attracted to the same sex, it's their choice to act on that, the same way a man that lust after children, when they act on it, it's a crime against humanity. I can see the pedophiles jumping in line with the lbgt community, to say hey, what's the problem, we were born this way?! It's just not true...

 

[kaylagrl]

So I am on another forum sometimes and on there someone started a thread about the gays more specifically why they lust after the same sex.
Now I believe they are born with such desires and has to do with the genetic make up, they flipped out.
And so my reply was this
I'm sorry if i upset anyone with my remark of being genetic I will not deny it is a sin but my issue with it is this if it is not something they are born with than why do they have such desires? I doubt they can suddenly just choose to like the same sex, I mean I can if I wanted to choose to be sexually attracted to a fishing pole but if such a desire was never there to begin with it won't work.

If I chose to I too could choose to be sexually attracted to other men but in the end I would only be grossed out because no matter how much i would want to Theoretically speaking that is if such a desire was never there to begin with it's futile. Please note I am not here to promote the gay agenda or to promote the gay gene or support their lifestyle I am merely discussing these things to find the truth of the matter.
If it is not genes and seeing how it choosing to be gay would in fact imply first that the desire to be with the same sex had to be there to begin with even if it's only a little then what is the cause of it sin? I don't think it's sin because we all are sinners
Maybe I am out of league here? Is there biblical evidence that would explain the desires of the flesh for the same sex and and am i entering dangerous waters that I am not spiritually mature enough to tackle? And also this is not a thread to talk bad or to bash the gays and I will not tolerate such behavior either if I see ppl turning this into another sword to the neck for the gays I will have the mods delete this thread the last thing we need is another war thread

No,the Bible says that it is sin. We don't need a gene to sin. What you're saying is we can't help it if we sin because we are inbred with a gene. No,the Bible says that sin is always a choice,our choice. A gene doesn't make us do it, the devil doesn't make us do it,a disease doesn't make us do it.We choose the path, to sin or not. It has nothing to do with genetics. We weren't "born that way". Again,sin is always our choice.

 

[kaylagrl]

we have to start here and separate ourselves from the gay agenda and propaganda ...there is no evidence of this genetic make-up anymore than the evidence that certain folks have a genetic make-up for other sexual perversions ..such as pedophiles . So you cant help anyone until you take away certain lies that the enemy has caused them to believe.

There will be evidence soon enough. Guarantee that someone will come up with "proof" the same as global warming er temperature change. And you'll be a bigot if you disagree with the "facts".

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

So I am on another forum sometimes and on there someone started a thread about the gays more specifically why they lust after the same sex.
Now I believe they are born with such desires and has to do with the genetic make up, they flipped out.
And so my reply was this
I'm sorry if i upset anyone with my remark of being genetic I will not deny it is a sin but my issue with it is this if it is not something they are born with than why do they have such desires? I doubt they can suddenly just choose to like the same sex, I mean I can if I wanted to choose to be sexually attracted to a fishing pole but if such a desire was never there to begin with it won't work.

If I chose to I too could choose to be sexually attracted to other men but in the end I would only be grossed out because no matter how much i would want to Theoretically speaking that is if such a desire was never there to begin with it's futile. Please note I am not here to promote the gay agenda or to promote the gay gene or support their lifestyle I am merely discussing these things to find the truth of the matter.
If it is not genes and seeing how it choosing to be gay would in fact imply first that the desire to be with the same sex had to be there to begin with even if it's only a little then what is the cause of it sin? I don't think it's sin because we all are sinners
Maybe I am out of league here? Is there biblical evidence that would explain the desires of the flesh for the same sex and and am i entering dangerous waters that I am not spiritually mature enough to tackle? And also this is not a thread to talk bad or to bash the gays and I will not tolerate such behavior either if I see ppl turning this into another sword to the neck for the gays I will have the mods delete this thread the last thing we need is another war thread

There's this idea in society that being gay is either genetic or a choice, where those are the two possibilities and one being false means by definition that the other is true. It looks like you've bought into this idea. There's a third possibility: that it is not genetic or chosen, just commonly appearing in childhood. Just because something seemed to show up in childhood, or a person has been that way "as long as they can remember", doesn't mean it was genetic; it could have been learned early, conditioned in the person, a response to a certain environment or event, or an early spiritual attack. But many people make the leap to the genetic conclusion anyway. It's an ultra-common leap actually; people even do it in research. You wanna see if something is natural or instinctual, you see if it shows up in children. The devil knows this tendency, and uses it to his advantage when it comes to homosexuality: focus the attack on children who tend to know no better, so people will believe it's innate and innocuous so it's easier to garner their sympathy for it, permeate society with it like a virus, and inevitably lead people into sin and the consequences thereof in their own bodies, to ultimately destroy people. That's the third thing that people seldom seem to consider. Satan has bad intentions.

That's not to say that people don't ever choose sin, including homosexuality. It's not just Satan, it's people too. But some people are simply Satan's choice victims for homosexuality. Yes, victims.

While everyone seems to be distracted with the genetic vs. choice argument, Satan is slipping in right under our noses doing what he does from another angle; and that's how he wants it.

 

[coby2]

Ask one who knows.

Loving Homosexuals as Jesus Would

 

[Mitspa]

Ask one who knows.

Loving Homosexuals as Jesus Would

So the gay agenda is back ...and no one has ever seen it here on the forum? So lets go around the mountain again where folks call "love" something that is very different than what the bible actually teaches ...and folks accuse me of all manner of things for defending the biblical standards ...I'm ready lets get started !

 

[Blain]

No,the Bible says that it is sin. We don't need a gene to sin. What you're saying is we can't help it if we sin because we are inbred with a gene. No,the Bible says that sin is always a choice,our choice. A gene doesn't make us do it, the devil doesn't make us do it,a disease doesn't make us do it.We choose the path, to sin or not. It has nothing to do with genetics. We weren't "born that way". Again,sin is always our choice.

You misread my words. I never said that if it was something they were born with then it's not their fault when they act upon it.
even if one is born with such desires acting upon them is their choice. We have sin in us from the day we are born and we can blame it on adam and even and make excuses for our actions but in the end we chose to act we decide for ourselves.

 

[Justcallmetinman]

Its pretty amazing that if people are born gay then it sure is happening more and more often within the last twenty years! There must be an explosion of homo genes
I dont believe it for one minute. What I do believe is that it is cool to be different and (gay is different) to lost wayward young people. meh.......................

 

[Blain]

Its pretty amazing that if people are born gay then it sure is happening more and more often within the last twenty years! There must be an explosion of homo genes
I dont believe it for one minute. What I do believe is that it is cool to be different and (gay is different) to lost wayward young people. meh.......................

It's funny because 20 years ago if your different ppl attack you nowadays things that used to be seen as bad uncool as a loser like nerd geek and yes even gay are now considered a good thing. I know that some people began lusting after things when they are exposed to it and honestly I blame the internet. I know a 12 year old who used to be innocent and sweet but he got a computer about 5 years ago and he watches all kinds of videos and he now is one of the most perverted foul mouthed kids I know.....

 

[Justcallmetinman]

There's this idea in society that being gay is either genetic or a choice, where those are the two possibilities and one being false means by definition that the other is true. It looks like you've bought into this idea. There's a third possibility: that it is not genetic or chosen, just commonly appearing in childhood. Just because something seemed to show up in childhood, or a person has been that way "as long as they can remember", doesn't mean it was genetic; it could have been learned early, conditioned in the person, a response to a certain environment or event, or an early spiritual attack. But many people make the leap to the genetic conclusion anyway. It's an ultra-common leap actually; people even do it in research. You wanna see if something is natural or instinctual, you see if it shows up in children. The devil knows this tendency, and uses it to his advantage when it comes to homosexuality: focus the attack on children who tend to know no better, so people will believe it's innate and innocuous so it's easier to garner their sympathy for it, permeate society with it like a virus, and inevitably lead people into sin and the consequences thereof in their own bodies, to ultimately destroy people. That's the third thing that people seldom seem to consider. Satan has bad intentions.

That's not to say that people don't ever choose sin, including homosexuality. It's not just Satan, it's people too. But some people are simply Satan's choice victims for homosexuality. Yes, victims.

While everyone seems to be distracted with the genetic vs. choice argument, Satan is slipping in right under our noses doing what he does from another angle; and that's how he wants it.

I very much agree with you!
The bible states that sin will increase and it sure has. Sexual perversion is satans specialty because it messes with Gods creation the family unit. > man, woman, > children!

 

[Justcallmetinman]

It's funny because 20 years ago if your different ppl attack you nowadays things that used to be seen as bad uncool as a loser like nerd geek and yes even gay are now considered a good thing. I know that some people began lusting after things when they are exposed to it and honestly I blame the internet. I know a 12 year old who used to be innocent and sweet but he got a computer about 5 years ago and he watches all kinds of videos and he now is one of the most perverted foul mouthed kids I know.....

Thats so sad
Maybe you could make this kid your new project? Minister to him and be the example In Christ?

 

[Blain]

Thats so sad
Maybe you could make this kid your new project? Minister to him and be the example In Christ?

I try to but hiss heart refuses to receive he is far more interested in the things of the world he has no interest in losing those things
as it is right now I cannot break through the walls of his hardened heart and so I leave it in God's hands while i continue to lead by example

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

I try to but hiss heart refuses to receive he is far more interested in the things of the world he has no interest in losing those things
as it is right now I cannot break through the walls of his hardened heart and so I leave it in God's hands while i continue to lead by example

Gotta tie up the beast first. Mark 3:25-27 - And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

He has strongholds up. Gotta pull 'em down. Then the bad stuff can be taken out and the message actually can come across.

Also, good on you for leading by example

 

[thepsalmist]

To me it seems quite straight forward and the answer lies plainly in this scripture (Which for some strange reason always seems to get ignored in these threads)

God's Wrath on Unrighteousness

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, tothe dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

 

[1ofthem]

To me it seems quite straight forward and the answer lies plainly in this scripture (Which for some strange reason always seems to get ignored in these threads)

God's Wrath on Unrighteousness

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, tothe dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

I was getting ready to post those verses until I saw your post...I can only speak for myself here, but I for one, sure don't want to tell anyone that it is natural or okay to be gay...People can try to excuse sin off over and over again, and after a while the Lord is going to get tired and turn them over to a reprobate mind. I sure don't want no part in that. It's better just to call it what it is ...an unnatural sin...and pray that they hear and get repentance from it.