Why Does God Even Create People he Knows From all Eternity Will Choose Hell?

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Apocalypse (Revelation) 17:8
The beast, which thou sawest, was, and is not, and shall come up out of the bottomless pit, and go into destruction: and the inhabitants on the earth (whose names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world) shall wonder, seeing the beast that was, and is not.
Matthew 26:21-30
[21] And whilst they were eating, he said: Amen I say to you, that one of you is about to betray me. [22] And they being very much troubled, began every one to say: Is it I, Lord? [23] But he answering, said: He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, he shall betray me. [24] The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed: it were better for him, if that man had not been born. [25] And Judas that betrayed him, answering, said: Is it I, Rabbi? He saith to him: Thou hast said it.
[26] And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. [27] And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. [28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins. [29] And I say to you, I will not drink from henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I shall drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father. [30] And a hymn being said, they went out unto mount Olivet.
Mark 14:21-25
[21] And the Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed. It were better for him, if that man had not been born. [22] And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke, and gave to them, and said: Take ye. This is my body. [23] And having taken the chalice, giving thanks, he gave it to them. And they all drank of it. [24] And he said to them: This is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many. [25] Amen I say to you, that I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day when I shall drink it new in the kingdom of God.
 
Feb 11, 2016
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Does it remind you of this a little maybe?

[video=youtube;playnmJB_TI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=playnmJB_TI[/video]

They are just marshmallows being roasted but are you feeling like that?
 
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Romans 9:20-23 KJV
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it , Why hast thou made me thus? [21] Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
[22] What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
[23] And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
 
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Romans 9:20-23 KJV
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it , Why hast thou made me thus? [21] Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
[22] What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
[23] And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Wow. I forgot about these scripture passages.
 
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He would not be God if he did not know.

He does not bog down in his own concepts.

He wanted a people. He made a way for us.

It is a good plan. Play it out any other way,and take away choice,and he has a plastic deal. He wanted us to want him. To choose him.
 
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Wow. I forgot about these scripture passages.
We're in a simulataion man, a proving ground of sorts. Just think of life as the holodeck on StarTrek. There are real people who are being tested and there people who are a part of the simulation, they're like a block of code to interact with us, to shape and form us... of course I can't prove any of this from the bible, it's just my opinion.
 

John146

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To the OP: Why would you think He has? God's not willing that any should perish.
 
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To the OP: Why would you think He has? God's not willing that any should perish.
Our good God does not allow any evil into heaven. Heaven would be a very evil place if it was filled with people like Stalin.
 

John146

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Our good God does not allow any evil into heaven. Heaven would be a very evil place if it was filled with people like Stalin.
Amen, but God wanted even Stalin to come to the knowledge of Him.
 
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Spherical, do you think you have any unbelievers in your bloodline? Would you be here if they had not existed?
 
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Do you have/ plan on having kids?

We all know they are likely to go through a lot of suffering, but that doesn't keep us from getting children
 

Budman

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Our good God does not allow any evil into heaven. Heaven would be a very evil place if it was filled with people like Stalin.

You should ask yourself; From God's perspective, are you, or I, any better than Stalin?
 
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Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God created Adam and Eve.

The rest of mankind are descendants of Adam/Eve except for Jesus Christ, who was the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
 
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Apocalypse (Revelation) 17:8


Matthew 26:21-30

Mark 14:21-25
I believe the only way you can spend all of eternity in hell is if you refuse to repent of your sin throughout all of eternity. Otherwise you have paradise. I'm glad the Lord created us.
 
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Sperical,

God created everything good.

God did not create sin.

Sin is a choice. God didn't choose for people to sin.

Chuck
 
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I believe the only way you can spend all of eternity in hell is if you refuse to repent of your sin throughout all of eternity. Otherwise you have paradise. I'm glad the Lord created us.
That is backwards.

Paradise was temporary

Pardon could be a dynamic at the GWTJ,but pardon after the GWTJ,to my knowledge,is not mentioned or inferred.
 
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That is backwards.

Paradise was temporary

Pardon could be a dynamic at the GWTJ,but pardon after the GWTJ,to my knowledge,is not mentioned or inferred.
I don’t think so. I think heaven is there as soon as we repent of our sin:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV

[19] Open to me the gates of righteousness,
that I may enter through them
and give thanks to the LORD.
[20] This is the gate of the LORD;
the righteous shall enter through it. Psalm 118:19-20 RSV
 

trofimus

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Why Does God Even Create People he Knows From all Eternity Will Choose Hell?
Because it was the best thing to do, in regard to grand design of all things.

We know that, because
1. omnipotent and all-knowing God can choose only the best universe for creation
2. God is omnipotent and all-knowing
3. Therefore it was needed for the best possible universe to have some ppl who will not get the grace of faith.

If you would take anything from the existing universe, it would not be the best possible one.