Put the church on a milk carton!
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Good idea of putting the milk of God’s holy word on the milk cartons... we can call them missing in action . It’s the milk of the word that teaches us God is gracious. Out of all the sinners in the world he has given us his faith through his mercy so that we can know him and walk with him daily . Milk builds stones bones of faith. Got milk?
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The church is composed of wheat and tares, goats and sheep.
As far as local fellowships go, the one I'm attending operates very well and scripturally.
I highly recommend that individuals who are considering a fellowship look for a sound one that is operating like this. They are out there.
I find that there are many professing Christians who act like Elijah and think they are the only ones following God. God's reply to him during his depression is telling..he said he has 7000 other followers who have not bowed the knee to Baal. "Lone ranger" Christians don't live in reality. There are tons of solid believers.
I think some who really don't want to be involved with a local fellowship, and come under the authority or accountability of anyone, spend a lot of time engaged in cutting all of them down. They also have an unrealistic opinion of their own orthodoxy and the coherency of their private belief system.
I've heard one person say that he won't attend a church because they wouldn't let him preach. I've listened to him long enough to know that he holds some really crazy ideas and is not someone who is able to teach. Why would anyone, even a sound thinking well-trained person, expect to be allowed to preach without establishing their own credibility with the local fellowship?
Others are nursing hurts and resentments caused by events that happened a LONG time ago. If I operated like that, I wouldn't be in fellowship very long, as people are imperfect, and imperfect people offend others. The church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints, as the saying goes.
Ephesians 4, folks. Those who claim to be spiritually mature and are not in fellowship are not reading these Scriptures honestly. They say these sorts are blown around by all winds of doctrine..how many do we see on the forums like this? Let me answer that..a LOT.
And, younger Christians, I suggest you pay heed to these words. If you consider the people here to be your teachers, beware. Some of them are tethered to the Church through their local fellowship and are reliable dispensers of truth, and many hold heresies. Get involved in a local church, after determining that they teach sound evangelical doctrine.
I have some more comments on this in my profile if you're interested.
Returning to local fellowship was key in me coming back from a long backsliding. Sin and disbelief thrives in isolation. God doesn't want lone ranger Christians. He wants team players who are not contentious. If you have to sacrifice by driving an extra distance to find a good fellowship, do it. Your life belongs to Him if you are saved anyways. Submit to Him in all ways, including being involved in the local fellowship. Don't be influenced by rock throwers who continually come up with excuses for not fellowshipping.
DO find a good fellowship, though. I list some church finders in my profile that may help.
As a disclaimer, I am not dissing individuals who are homebound due to health reasons, or who have legitimate reasons for being unable to fellowship in person. In addition, this site is great for supplemental fellowship and I avail myself of it practically every day. It's not a replacement for real face-to-face relationships though. You need to be involved in discipleship and equipping in a local church. This site does not claim to substitute for those things.
As far as local fellowships go, the one I'm attending operates very well and scripturally.
I highly recommend that individuals who are considering a fellowship look for a sound one that is operating like this. They are out there.
I find that there are many professing Christians who act like Elijah and think they are the only ones following God. God's reply to him during his depression is telling..he said he has 7000 other followers who have not bowed the knee to Baal. "Lone ranger" Christians don't live in reality. There are tons of solid believers.
I think some who really don't want to be involved with a local fellowship, and come under the authority or accountability of anyone, spend a lot of time engaged in cutting all of them down. They also have an unrealistic opinion of their own orthodoxy and the coherency of their private belief system.
I've heard one person say that he won't attend a church because they wouldn't let him preach. I've listened to him long enough to know that he holds some really crazy ideas and is not someone who is able to teach. Why would anyone, even a sound thinking well-trained person, expect to be allowed to preach without establishing their own credibility with the local fellowship?
Others are nursing hurts and resentments caused by events that happened a LONG time ago. If I operated like that, I wouldn't be in fellowship very long, as people are imperfect, and imperfect people offend others. The church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints, as the saying goes.
Ephesians 4, folks. Those who claim to be spiritually mature and are not in fellowship are not reading these Scriptures honestly. They say these sorts are blown around by all winds of doctrine..how many do we see on the forums like this? Let me answer that..a LOT.
And, younger Christians, I suggest you pay heed to these words. If you consider the people here to be your teachers, beware. Some of them are tethered to the Church through their local fellowship and are reliable dispensers of truth, and many hold heresies. Get involved in a local church, after determining that they teach sound evangelical doctrine.
I have some more comments on this in my profile if you're interested.
Returning to local fellowship was key in me coming back from a long backsliding. Sin and disbelief thrives in isolation. God doesn't want lone ranger Christians. He wants team players who are not contentious. If you have to sacrifice by driving an extra distance to find a good fellowship, do it. Your life belongs to Him if you are saved anyways. Submit to Him in all ways, including being involved in the local fellowship. Don't be influenced by rock throwers who continually come up with excuses for not fellowshipping.
DO find a good fellowship, though. I list some church finders in my profile that may help.
As a disclaimer, I am not dissing individuals who are homebound due to health reasons, or who have legitimate reasons for being unable to fellowship in person. In addition, this site is great for supplemental fellowship and I avail myself of it practically every day. It's not a replacement for real face-to-face relationships though. You need to be involved in discipleship and equipping in a local church. This site does not claim to substitute for those things.
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What shall we do with those who cannot tolerate even the milk of the word?
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Oh yeah I remember....
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Oh yeah I remember....
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
For the cause of Christ
Roger
All I'm saying is that we need to quit calling this thing 'church', for it is not. Not even close. Call it a 'hall of monologue oratory' where one man dominates with a sermon while an audience hoorahs him but otherwise sits with duct tape on their mouths. This is not Hebrews 10:25 by any stretch of an LSD induced imagination. Yea I'm rough but I'm tired of the one liners 'where do you go to church?' And 'who's the pastor of your church?'
It all sounds very biblical and Christianette but there is no biblical evidence to support what is called'church' today.
There may be some good benefits coming out of the organized system but by and large there is more harm done than good.
For the poor, they get poorer. And for all, spiritual poverty simply increases for the lack of individuals using their gifts. All suffer tremendously because of the 'standing down' of the corporate body, in deference, yielding to the appointed one man ministry.
This continues to dumb down, making impotent the 'body'.
So let's quit pretending that we are fulfilling the Hebrews 10:25 verse, thinking we are 'doing' church the way God laid it out.
And quit accusing any 'brother or sister' of FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING TOGETHER, of which they aren't really, because they no longer 'go to church'.
The true biblical assembly of saints is MISSING. The saints aren't missing, just the scriptural gathering together of said saints.
How about simply calling it 'The monologue entertainment hall?' Now you can ask folks 'What monologue entertainment hall do you go to'?
Its my understanding that the words 'church' and 'circus' come from the same root word. So maybe you could ask folks 'What circus do you go to'?
But please don't equate that with the Assembly that Paul expounded on. It is MISSING!
It all sounds very biblical and Christianette but there is no biblical evidence to support what is called'church' today.
There may be some good benefits coming out of the organized system but by and large there is more harm done than good.
For the poor, they get poorer. And for all, spiritual poverty simply increases for the lack of individuals using their gifts. All suffer tremendously because of the 'standing down' of the corporate body, in deference, yielding to the appointed one man ministry.
This continues to dumb down, making impotent the 'body'.
So let's quit pretending that we are fulfilling the Hebrews 10:25 verse, thinking we are 'doing' church the way God laid it out.
And quit accusing any 'brother or sister' of FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING TOGETHER, of which they aren't really, because they no longer 'go to church'.
The true biblical assembly of saints is MISSING. The saints aren't missing, just the scriptural gathering together of said saints.
How about simply calling it 'The monologue entertainment hall?' Now you can ask folks 'What monologue entertainment hall do you go to'?
Its my understanding that the words 'church' and 'circus' come from the same root word. So maybe you could ask folks 'What circus do you go to'?
But please don't equate that with the Assembly that Paul expounded on. It is MISSING!
Amen if the milk of the word,the revealed will of God as the grace of teaches us to say no to ungodliness by it we grow. it is therefore first and foremost something we should always desire. We never outgrow the need for milk .
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 1Pe 2:2
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Tit 2:11
While milk represents the revealed will ,the meat of his will provides the good purpose of God who performs that which is appointed us.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.For it is God which worketh in you both to “will” and “to do” of his good pleasure. Phi 2:12
This I believe makes his revealed will according to His faith that works in us perfect /complete just as the parable
found in James 2. As Christ by faith wrought his work in Abraham it worked in Abraham to both will (the milk) and do God’s good pleasure (the meat ) so it works in us imputed in the same way by a work of faith,not of our own selves. .
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith (His) made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Jam 2:23
Note....Ye see then how that by works (the meat, Christ’s in us) a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Note.. Faith ,the milk of the revealed word.
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 1Pe 2:2
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Tit 2:11
While milk represents the revealed will ,the meat of his will provides the good purpose of God who performs that which is appointed us.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.For it is God which worketh in you both to “will” and “to do” of his good pleasure. Phi 2:12
This I believe makes his revealed will according to His faith that works in us perfect /complete just as the parable
found in James 2. As Christ by faith wrought his work in Abraham it worked in Abraham to both will (the milk) and do God’s good pleasure (the meat ) so it works in us imputed in the same way by a work of faith,not of our own selves. .
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith (His) made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Jam 2:23
Note....Ye see then how that by works (the meat, Christ’s in us) a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Note.. Faith ,the milk of the revealed word.
Christ is building His church and the gates of hell and you cannot prevail against it. Disparage all you want but you will not overcome the church that Christ is building.
You really need to come out of the tombs of the dead and join the living. There are thousands of good bible churches across the land. They will not be molested by vagabonds so you will need to be submissive to Gods word to find fellowship but they are out there.
Contrary to your bitter hateful attitude there are many believers who enjoy sweet fellowship and serve along side other believers as brothers and sister in the service of our King.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You really need to come out of the tombs of the dead and join the living. There are thousands of good bible churches across the land. They will not be molested by vagabonds so you will need to be submissive to Gods word to find fellowship but they are out there.
Contrary to your bitter hateful attitude there are many believers who enjoy sweet fellowship and serve along side other believers as brothers and sister in the service of our King.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The good news is that many precious saints are tiring of the blisters on their bottoms and the deadness of the Ichabod meetings. 1Sam. 4:21
The dearth is Gods blessing. 1Sam. 3:1 (the word was precious/rare). A wake up call to 'investigation' and some study. Putting on the Berean caps and searching to 'see if these things be so'. Acts 17:11
If we love God, we'll keep His commands. 1John 5:3 ...His commands are Not burdensome.
So many christians today, if they'ed be honest and admit the truth, if truth be told, as it were, when 'church' time rolls around, they get a sinking feeling in their heart. But they hide it and get the family together in the car and off to another dry service, feeling duty bound for God is keeping record.
Dont want to offend God you know.
Folks, this is a travesty. A joke. The 'church' is out of divine order. Study those chapters and you cannot help but see it.
Psalm 122:1 reads.....I rejoiced with those who said to me, "Let us go to the house of the Lord".
They must have had it closer to the mark back in that day.....for a while anyway.....but today?.......not so much!
I know if we'd follow the NT pattern for the fellowship/assembly, our hearts would be bursting with excitement, joy, and anticipation.
Why? God always blesses that which He sets in order. He will not long bless the schemes of man and his self interested plans.
See: the Laodecian and Sardis churches of Revelation. That's what we have morphed into.
I say, lets morph out of it. Let's try 'church' God's way and see what comes of it. It'll take some repenting and dismantling.
I have no real confidence that the organized MONEY churches have the will and nerve to try it God's way. To much to lose by the hireling.
Individuals will have to strike out on there own and have simple, scriptural gatherings away from the conglomerates.
Where 2 or 3 are gathered in His Name! That's where He'll be found.
The dearth is Gods blessing. 1Sam. 3:1 (the word was precious/rare). A wake up call to 'investigation' and some study. Putting on the Berean caps and searching to 'see if these things be so'. Acts 17:11
If we love God, we'll keep His commands. 1John 5:3 ...His commands are Not burdensome.
So many christians today, if they'ed be honest and admit the truth, if truth be told, as it were, when 'church' time rolls around, they get a sinking feeling in their heart. But they hide it and get the family together in the car and off to another dry service, feeling duty bound for God is keeping record.
Dont want to offend God you know.
Folks, this is a travesty. A joke. The 'church' is out of divine order. Study those chapters and you cannot help but see it.
Psalm 122:1 reads.....I rejoiced with those who said to me, "Let us go to the house of the Lord".
They must have had it closer to the mark back in that day.....for a while anyway.....but today?.......not so much!
I know if we'd follow the NT pattern for the fellowship/assembly, our hearts would be bursting with excitement, joy, and anticipation.
Why? God always blesses that which He sets in order. He will not long bless the schemes of man and his self interested plans.
See: the Laodecian and Sardis churches of Revelation. That's what we have morphed into.
I say, lets morph out of it. Let's try 'church' God's way and see what comes of it. It'll take some repenting and dismantling.
I have no real confidence that the organized MONEY churches have the will and nerve to try it God's way. To much to lose by the hireling.
Individuals will have to strike out on there own and have simple, scriptural gatherings away from the conglomerates.
Where 2 or 3 are gathered in His Name! That's where He'll be found.
C
i love going to service. every time i'm getting ready, i am excited because i know i'm going to sing to Him, hear praise reports, listen to the Word. on sunday mornings, i have the honor to teach middle schoolers. as one body, we are exalting the name of Jesus. we help each other. when someone or a family is struggling, we join together to help. all for His honor and glory. amen.
