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Blain

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You know I was talking to God a few days about demons, I understand they are fallen angels they chose to follow satan for whatever reason as I know he would sacrifice any of them to save his own skin and i have encountered demons a few times they are vicious horrified and for some reason really wanted to tear me apart like I mean literally. I always ponder how God is willing to go to the extremes to save his children how there is no limits he isn't willing to go for just one lost soul no matter how dark their heart.
A thought came to my mind as I was considering this if say a demon truly repented and wanted to come home would God forgive them? I see nowhere in the bible of any mention of this and so it may not seem biblical and I am sure some would say they don't get a second chance and I certainly cant find any scripture to support my theory here but this is what I know about God we did the same thing the fallen angels did not following satan but we rebelled against him and yet he said we were his children and went to the extreme to save us he full of love compassion and grace and I know ppl see angels as his messengers his warriors ect. but I believe they are just as much his children as us and so if they are his children as well knowing him he would give any demon a clean slate should they truly repent.

and honestly if they can be saved I want them to be I know satan won't be saved because the scriptures clearly describe how his story ends but what do you all think?
 
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I think that God has created a special place for them to spend eternity, and as you say He has not given us any indication that He has provided a way of escape for them.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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They won't repent, they are demons
Stop focusing on them.
Focus on Christ.
 
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Blain said:
and honestly if they can be saved I want them to be I know satan won't be saved because the scriptures clearly describe how his story ends but what do you all think?
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The bible clearly says that but in the book of Revelation John was not permitted to record what the 7 thunders said. In time, that too will be revealed but until it is there is no way of definitely knowing how the story ends. I hope that it's a happy ending but only time will tell. If Satan and his demon buddies were to repent of what they did and ask for forgiveness God would probably forgive them. I don't want anyone to go to hell and that includes the devil and demons.
 
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No salvation for demons because they saw God's glory and Heaven and rebelled, mankind although he has seen God's glory in the garden has not seen the true majesty of God and Him in Heaven.....that's why I think God allows man to repent but demons have no excuse as they were higher than mankind (verse in psalms says man made a little lower than the angels) so God probably held them to a higher standard....
 
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Demons are not human and Jesus took on human flesh to save us.
Jesus did not die for fallen angels or demons.
Angels knew who God was and sinned willingly with full knowledge.


Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

There is no salvation and never will be for fallen angels.

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
 
Blain

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True they knew him fully and rebelled but even so there is no solid proof that if they were to repent they would not get salvation as well, and while I want it to be true there also is not any solid proof about them being saved if the repent and scripture doesn't speak of it as far as I know all I have to base this on is what I know of him of his nature
 
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For the last few years have I wondered if John 3:3-5 applied to more than just humans. I speculated that perhaps it implied a reference to fallen angels not being able to be saved because they were not born of water.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]3. In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]4. "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Bitstream Charter, serif]5. Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. [/FONT][/FONT]



I can imagine Jesus subtly insinuating that the evil rebels He once knew in Heaven could never be saved. I speculate that he was telling them that these weak limited humans could receive eternal life with Him, but those who were created with far greater power could never do so. They are limited to this creation which will eventually end.

This is all speculation of course. But that is all anyone can do with a question like this.
 
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Chuckt said:
Demons are not human and Jesus took on human flesh to save us.
Jesus did not die for fallen angels or demons.
Angels knew who God was and sinned willingly with full knowledge.


Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

There is no salvation and never will be for fallen angels.

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
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Satan and the fallen angels didn't know God fully. Justice,Grace and mercy is not revealed to perfect, sinless creatures. A fall had to happen for Justice,grace and mercy to be revealed.

Based on the character and nature of our God, satan and the fallen angels had their chance at salvation. Our God would not just leave satan and the fallen angels "hangen" based upon His justice, grace and mercy that is revealed to us.

In fact, that is what mankind is revealing to satan and the fallen angels..........God is Just and righteous, FULL of grace and mercy. Mankind is on the latter side of satans choice and rejection of Gods grace.

satans great white throne judgement has already happened. We just don't see the sentence carried out until mankind is sentenced and sent to the LoF.

We are living in satans "appeal trial." God created a lower creation(man) to reveal that God was Just and fair and gracious towards satan and His judgement of satan.
 
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ember

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I don't know why people keep asking if the devil has a chance at salvation

seriously
 
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Chuckt

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Blain said:
True they knew him fully and rebelled but even so there is no solid proof that if they were to repent they would not get salvation as well, and while I want it to be true there also is not any solid proof about them being saved if the repent and scripture doesn't speak of it as far as I know all I have to base this on is what I know of him of his nature
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"For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham. 17Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people," (Heb. 2:16-17).


The fallen angels do not have a sacrifice on their behalf. They do not have the infinite God becoming one of them and atoning for them. Therefore, the demonic realm will not be saved.
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https://carm.org/demonic-forces-will-not-be-saved
 
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Blain said:
True they knew him fully and rebelled but even so there is no solid proof that if they were to repent they would not get salvation as well, and while I want it to be true there also is not any solid proof about them being saved if the repent and scripture doesn't speak of it as far as I know all I have to base this on is what I know of him of his nature
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This verse says to whom much is given much more is required. They knew and sinned anyway which is different than being deceived.

Luke 12:47 "The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.



Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Why aren't you appealing to scripture and searching the scriptures daily instead of trying to ask us?

And if you asked someone ordained from seminary, He would tell you the same thing. There is no salvation for fallen angels.
 
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The devils cannot be redeemed,for there is no way they can put off the sin,and it is not in them to repent,for they know they cannot be saved.

God created the angels as an angelic being,and that is all there is to them.When they sinned,it tainted their whole being,so there is no way they can put off that sin.

God created people in the flesh,and all sin resides in the flesh,and in the flesh dwells no good thing,and man is made,spirit,soul,and flesh.Since all sin resides in the flesh,if a person is right with God,their whole being is not tainted with sin,and they will put off the flesh,and the sin associated with it,and the soul is preserved to dwell with God,but all spirits go back to God,who gave them,regardless of how the person acted on earth.

The devils cannot put off the sin,and the devils will not repent,because it is not in them to repent,for they know how they feel,and they know they cannot be saved.

The beast will promise the world if they follow him,and take his mark,which he will say it is the solution to have peace on earth,stop crime,and overall what is best for mankind,and there is no personal God to help them,and the world that does not love God will agree with the beast,and believe it is the only way,and everything will be better.

But after they take the mark of the beast,they notice a change.Now they feel cold,empty,bitter,hateful,and any feelings of the flesh to cause a person to have a sense of well being,is gone,and they have the nature of the devil,and will know how the devil feels,for God is going to send strong delusion to everybody that does not love the truth,and they will be deceived by a devil,when the devils are cast to earth,and the earth becomes the habitation of devils.

When God pours out His wrath upon the world,which includes hailstones the weight of a talent,the people that took the mark of the beast,blaspheme against God,and do not repent of that which they did,for they have the nature of the devil,and it is not in them to repent,for they know how they feel,and they know they cannot be saved.

The devils cannot repent,they cannot be saved,they cannot put off the sin,and they know how they feel,cold,empty,bitter,hateful,and all that garbage,and that salvation can never come to them.
 
blue_ladybug

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Satan and his demons are right where they belong, stuck in hell. I have no sympathy for them or ANYONE who chooses hell..
 
Dino246

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Many years ago, when I was learning about Christianity, I had a similar question: what if the devil repented? The question faded to insignificance as I got to know scriptural truth. I haven't thought about it in a long time. Because the scripture is adequately clear that he won't repent, I don't bother with whether he could, or could be redeemed if he did. There are many 'what if' questions which simply aren't answered by scripture. I don't think there is anything wrong with voicing the question, but the answer may be, "We don't know" or "It doesn't matter". I'm content with leaving it there.
 
Blain

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Chuckt said:
This verse says to whom much is given much more is required. They knew and sinned anyway which is different than being deceived.

Luke 12:47 "The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.



Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Why aren't you appealing to scripture and searching the scriptures daily instead of trying to ask us?
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Can I not ask fellow brothers and sisters for help? is that wrong?
And I searched the scriptures but didn't find what I was seeking so I came for help here
 
Blain

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Sometimes we are not meant to know certain things until the appointed time in which he reveals it to us
 
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Can I not ask fellow brothers and sisters for help? is that wrong?
And I searched the scriptures but didn't find what I was seeking so I came for help here
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Are we the authority? God is the authority.

I don't think you are asking for help. I think you are asking for justification for things that don't have justification.
 
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Blain said:
Sometimes we are not meant to know certain things until the appointed time in which he reveals it to us
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It has already been revealed. Hell was made for the devil and his angels.
 
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