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Right believing will always lead to right living. Believing in what Christ has already done by His grace through faith comes first. It's His life flowing in and through us to live the true Christian life. Without Him we can do nothing. It's impossible for any person but Christ to live the true Christian life and thank God He is in us by the Holy Spirit to do this very thing.
Wasn't Abraham accounted righteous by GOD before he offered Isaac as a sacrifice?
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Romans 4:1-2
King James Version(KJV)
1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
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I think you are talking about progressive sanctification.
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Romans 4:1-2
King James Version(KJV)
1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
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I think you are talking about progressive sanctification.
J
I don't explain any scripture away, that's how people misunderstand it, its not supposed to be ignored or explained away. and your not supposed to see 3 scriptures saying something and disregard the 100 others. they go together. listen because you point to galatians. do this read chapter 5 and don't just see what you want to, take what is there for what is there, take all of it in. and then fix your mind on this galatians 6:7-8 "do not be deceived, God cannot be mocked. a man reaps what he sows. the man who sows to please His sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction, the one who sows to please the spirit will reap eternal life."
instead of thinking I'm not deeing the 3 scriptures that seem to say we don't have any obligation to obey the Lord, realize it is throughout the entire word of God. you are mis understanding galatians, your seeing parts and pieces. obedience is a constant in the word. notice "sow" there is work and effort that go into sowing. notice verse 9 "Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will receive a harvest if we do not give up" our efforts should be fully set on following Gods word, I'm sorry you disagree but read
col.3 check v 5-8, phil.3:12-16, eph.4:17-5:15, 2 cor. 13:5, 1peter 1:13-16, james 1:22-25
1 peter 1:14-15 "as obedient children do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance, but just as He wqho called you is holy, so be holy in all you do....
I found these verses in 15 minutes just by skimming my bible. you and others may think I'm here trying to show I'm something or whatever. The only reason I'm here is to share the truth with people. many already know and Praise God, but if one person really is tired of not having the freedom and victory they read of, if they will obey Jesus, find out what He says to do and do it. everythiong will change.
Finally I want to give you this one last verse in 1 thess. 4:1-8.....v.7-8 " for God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life, therefore whoever rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his holy spirit."
it is because I love my Christian family, and because God has changed my life that I speak. if they don't want to hear the truth, I'm still gonna speak what I'm supposed to and trust God to make the seeds grow.
J
God knows if our faith is true, had Abraham said I believe but not enough to do, it wouldn't have been the same. James is a pretty knowledgable cat really. He was Jesus brother, an apostle, id say He probably has a good idea about faith, I prefer to just rid my own thoughts and put scripture together to form truth. basically, if we don't do what we believe, its not completed faith. bel;ief = action = faith. " you see that a man is justified by what He does and not belief alone.
J
yes I agree it begins and ends with Jesus, id bever say different. when we believe were new though, its time to be new and run the race, fight the fight, walk the walk, work the work, plant the fields, harvest the crops...the food for a disciple is to do the will of Him who saved us. its all about acceptance of what is there. Just like a person comes to understand the atonement, by seeing and believing, we understand we died and are raised with Cjrist to newness of Life. the same thing with the tons of true obedience scriptures, its up to us to acknowledge the word does say what it says, then belief will do its work. I understand u are saying first believe, and ur correct. once you believe we eventually have to set our hearts to obey because we are now Gods children. if we believe were sinners, were sinners. if we believe were children of God redeenmed and made new, let us live who we are to the praise of His name. action is essential
7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles).Galatians 2
even here it points to two different ministries. how come you mix and match scripture.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
if the gentile ,is not saved till after pentecost. then who is being spoken too. who would know, what a pharisee is or teacher of law is. the gentile has not been told about jesus christ yet. etc
history to change is being removed ...............etc
even here it points to two different ministries. how come you mix and match scripture.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
if the gentile ,is not saved till after pentecost. then who is being spoken too. who would know, what a pharisee is or teacher of law is. the gentile has not been told about jesus christ yet. etc
history to change is being removed ...............etc
J
Scripture goes together, there is no Jew, no gentile, there is no circumsion, there is no religion. There is just Jesus man. all the scripture in the Bible was breathed by the 1 God. it is meant to say something to mankind. you cant see whats in the word until its not intellectual eyes you look through, only Gods spirit will interpret the truth. all the different arguments are just people trying to hold on to their sin, its in their heart and they are afraid to let it go. so we gotta come up with theologies that allow sinners to remain sinners, and say they are righteous. there is only 1 truth, Jesus. circumcision was a sign of the Abrahamic covenant. its all one thing tho. the Abrahamic covenant began with Abrahams promise. the law was the beginning of the salvation plan. moses came after Abraham, The law was meant to break man, in order to bring us to Jesus. the law isn't opposed to Christ, the new covenant began long before Jesus came, the first step of the new covenant was the law and punishments to show us sin and its wages. Christ and the law go together also Just like the rest of the word. if we never had the law, wed never have knoiwn the need for forgiveness and grace. salvation......one God, one word, one plan, one way.
J
the effect of the law of moses, eliminated any form of man boasting. its result, trying to be saved by law is : I can do nothing without God. once this is fixed in a heart, boasting is little more than a word. Jesus Christ is my Boast. He is able, willing, and absolute. if I am boasting let me shout it Louder so everyone may hear my boast : Jesus Christ is the way, the only way, if any man will trust Him enough to follow His words, They will Live eternally in Gods presence without Question. That's my boast before God almighty. Thank You Lord that I am nothing that I may see the everythiong you are !
what we do is what is important. lol 
God bless you all friends Jesus is very wonderful, the thing with obedience is it will change the persons life in every good way possible that the word promises. ( sighs and chuckles) these scriptures are a drop in the bucket of what is in there that say the same type stuff. ill let it rest with that
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God bless you all friends Jesus is very wonderful, the thing with obedience is it will change the persons life in every good way possible that the word promises. ( sighs and chuckles) these scriptures are a drop in the bucket of what is in there that say the same type stuff. ill let it rest with that [/B]
see there has to be a starting point for you to follow history.
13 For you have heard of my former manner of life in Judaism, how I used to persecute the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it;14 and I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries among my countrymen, being more extremely zealous for my ancestral traditions
judiaism, follower s don t believe in jesus christ. being christian jewish, or gentile christian. is a believer in jesus christ.
judiaism or jewish beleiver were hunting and killing christian believers. this caused the biggest change to a jewish nation belief or religion (at this point of history, ) the christian church at this point in history, was meeting in there homes in secret. no gentile, could go the the temple, only the jewish christian could go to a temple, or synagogue. also all the apostles and paul were martyred because of there belief in jesus christ. then ad 70 happens, ie no temple, with the requirements of law, the jewish need a temple of stone etc.
having the correct history account , to jewish christian and gentile christian is a must to understanding this point in history etc
13 For you have heard of my former manner of life in Judaism, how I used to persecute the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it;14 and I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries among my countrymen, being more extremely zealous for my ancestral traditions
judiaism, follower s don t believe in jesus christ. being christian jewish, or gentile christian. is a believer in jesus christ.
judiaism or jewish beleiver were hunting and killing christian believers. this caused the biggest change to a jewish nation belief or religion (at this point of history, ) the christian church at this point in history, was meeting in there homes in secret. no gentile, could go the the temple, only the jewish christian could go to a temple, or synagogue. also all the apostles and paul were martyred because of there belief in jesus christ. then ad 70 happens, ie no temple, with the requirements of law, the jewish need a temple of stone etc.
having the correct history account , to jewish christian and gentile christian is a must to understanding this point in history etc
J
it reconciles itself friend. remember what peter said of paul and His writings? they are hard to understand. with paul, u may need to read 2 or three chaopters to understand what he is saying. Paul makes many many statements that tell us we are absolutely obligated to Jesus. many. he tells us what will keep us from inheriting eternal Life ect. he goes deep and makes His point clear, but with paul its not a good idea to take a single scripture because of How he wrote. its easy to misunderstand Him. Faith is what is misunderstood by so many. faith is true belief. if you believe there is a bag with 100 thousand dolloars buried in your yard, if you really believed that, what would you do?.......that's faith. if someone told you it was there and you didn't believe it what would you do? belief.....has to be true. if it is, action is not an issue. God bless you
What's interesting to me is the terminology used in James where Abraham is called the friend of GOD.
Covenant partners were called friends. So by his faithfulness to the covenant, Abraham fulfilled his role as a friend of GOD. Jesus used the same language with his disciples for their faithfulness to him.
Was not Abraham our father justified by works [when he] offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was working together with his works, and by the works the faith was perfected. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. James 2:21-23
Covenant partners were called friends. So by his faithfulness to the covenant, Abraham fulfilled his role as a friend of GOD. Jesus used the same language with his disciples for their faithfulness to him.
You are my friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you slaves, because the slave does not know what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything that I have heard from my Father I have revealed to you. John 15:14-15
J
yes absolutely. Ive been lately looking at adam and eve a lot and my own belief is that God made adam in order to have a real friend who would choose to Love Him. free wills purpose in my humble opinion. is to trust Gods word and choose it as what we Love because it is right and good and worthy and true and Life. when we were sinners, we Loved sin by obeying it even though it took us from Gods presence we follow it. How does that feel to God......who wants Love and companionship, loyalty, grace,ect...everything friends are meant to do and be. what u say here really shows Gods will to know us personally and have a real bond