understanding living Faith

[jasonj]

james 2:20-26 "....do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? was not Abraham considered righteous for what He did when He offered His son Isaac on the altar? you see that his faith and his actions were working together and His faith was made complete by what He did and the scripture was fulfilled that said " Abraham believed God and it was credited to Him as righteousness, and He was called Gods friend. you see a person is justified by what He does and not faith alone.....v 26 as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."


random point , notice Abraham doing what He did made him Gods friend? Jesus says the same thing, "you are my friends if you do what I command".

so really, true Faith is living and active Just as the word of God is living and active. examples? peter heard Jesus say come, and he stepped out of the boat and walked on water. if he never stepped, he never would have walked. The woman with the issue of bleeding fought through a crowd and grabbed for Jesus because she believed " if only I can touch His cloak, ill be healed." if she didn't try, she would have only regretted it forever and been left with Knowing He would have healed her, but she just believed it and didn't do it. Faith is the evidence ......of the unseen belief. faith is belief wich leads to action. complete faith is to act upon the inner belief. to live the truth of it.

 

[jasonj]

john 7:17....Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

the choice to do what God says to do is what Grace has given.

john 8:31-32 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you really hold to my teaching, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

john 13:17 ...."Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them."


proverbs 29:18 Where there is no revelation, people cast off restraint; but blessed is the one who heeds wisdom's instruction."

Luke 11:28 "blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

romans 2:7-10 "To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. "


what we do is what is important. lol God bless you all friends Jesus is very wonderful, the thing with obedience is it will change the persons life in every good way possible that the word promises. ( sighs and chuckles) these scriptures are a drop in the bucket of what is in there that say the same type stuff. ill let it rest with that

 

[thepsalmist]

MATTHEW 7

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.


(the gate denotes Jesus and His gift of grace ... and the narrow road denoting the walk thereafter- the works)


True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.


True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

(And what are the works?) ...


The Wise and Foolish Builders
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

 

[jasonj]

MATTHEW 7

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.


(the gate denotes Jesus and His gift of grace ... and the narrow road denoting the walk thereafter- the works)


True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.


True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

(And what are the works?) ...


The Wise and Foolish Builders
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

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[FreeNChrist]

Living faith is faith that is alive with the life of the living Christ.

 

[thepsalmist]

MATTHEW 5

The Fulfillment of the Law


17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.



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[crossnote]

MATTHEW 5

The Fulfillment of the Law


17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Right, He didn't abolish the law, He abolished us so to speak...and rose us to new Life - His Life.

Romans 7:4-6 KJVS
[4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. [6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[jasonj]

Right, He didn't abolish the law, He abolished us so to speak...and rose us to new Life - His Life.

Romans 7:4-6 KJVS
[4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. [6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

yes we obey the spirit, the spirit will always agree with jesus teachings its His spirit that is holy, His spirit will always command holiness. The Law will remain until the end, Christians who are born again already died through Jesus TO the Law. the laws purpose is only to break us, once weve been humbled the laws authority is removed, or rather "the curse of the law" is removed. The spirit of God is the same as in the beginning, and will be in the end. Obedience to the sinner sounds like a dictator "do this or die' the new man hears obedience and His spirit receives Joy because He now IS no longer a sinner, sin becomes what heaped suffering and shame upon the Lord Jesus. righteousness is our gratitude because we understand what Jesus did for us. the process is one thing, the hows and whys. But when the bible is simplified down to what it says, it says do the right thing, God tells us whats right so we know and can choose because now we aren't pre disposed to choose darkness, we have the light of Life within us, and in Jesus there is no darkness. The Law destroys sinners, Jesus raises them from the dead and teaches them righteousness. it is the duty of those redeemed to follow Jesus, He paid the price to own us. We belong to Jesus. we are supposed to follow the Lord, hes the one we call Lord, were supposed to treat Him as our Lord and master, He Loves us, were supposed to Love him. I understand why so many are upset and offended by obedience, I was once also. sinners love sin, weve all been there every human, every child of adam, but we died and were made righteous. " we are servants to the one we obey, whether sin wich leads to death, or righteousness woich leads to eternal life." The law of moses was never unrighteous or wrong, it had no mercy, no grace it was all what can man do alone? and now its what can children of God do when walking next to the Lord Jesus?

 

[jasonj]

Living faith is faith that is alive with the life of the living Christ.

awesome way to put it. Living. breathing,moving.....living and active.

 

[John146]

james 2:20-26 "....do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? was not Abraham considered righteous for what He did when He offered His son Isaac on the altar? you see that his faith and his actions were working together and His faith was made complete by what He did and the scripture was fulfilled that said " Abraham believed God and it was credited to Him as righteousness, and He was called Gods friend. you see a person is justified by what He does and not faith alone.....v 26 as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."


random point , notice Abraham doing what He did made him Gods friend? Jesus says the same thing, "you are my friends if you do what I command".

so really, true Faith is living and active Just as the word of God is living and active. examples? peter heard Jesus say come, and he stepped out of the boat and walked on water. if he never stepped, he never would have walked. The woman with the issue of bleeding fought through a crowd and grabbed for Jesus because she believed " if only I can touch His cloak, ill be healed." if she didn't try, she would have only regretted it forever and been left with Knowing He would have healed her, but she just believed it and didn't do it. Faith is the evidence ......of the unseen belief. faith is belief wich leads to action. complete faith is to act upon the inner belief. to live the truth of it.

That's a reference to Abraham's faith. After the resurrection a believer is justified by Christ's faith. Christ's faith was not even available to Abraham according to Paul in Galatians 3.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

By believing in gospel of Jesus Christ, the believer is justified by the faith of Christ and no more through his own personal faith which required obedience to works.

 

[jasonj]

MATTHEW 5

The Fulfillment of the Law


17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

the law is not abolished it remains to serve its purpose of humbling sinners so they understand their need for Christ. the Pharisees were self righteous, the only righteousness available in the law. That righteousness is useless, and only ends up leading to inward pride and looking down on others. Righteousness needs to be from the heart, that's what Jesus teachings are, true righteousness and the law of moses was righteous also, but we weren't before the atonement so the righteous law, destroyed us because we weren't capable, we saw "I need Jesus" now we have Jesus, were capable now if we accept the faith of the atonement, were able, if we deny it, were stuck under law until the Lord breaks us

 

[FreeNChrist]

That's a reference to Abraham's faith. After the resurrection a believer is justified by Christ's faith. Christ's faith was not even available to Abraham according to Paul in Galatians 3.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

By believing in gospel of Jesus Christ, the believer is justified by the faith of Christ and no more through his own personal faith which required obedience to works.

Just another reason not to put your faith in that old KJV.

 

[jasonj]

That's a reference to Abraham's faith. After the resurrection a believer is justified by Christ's faith. Christ's faith was not even available to Abraham according to Paul in Galatians 3.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

By believing in gospel of Jesus Christ, the believer is justified by the faith of Christ and no more through his own personal faith which required obedience to works.

Abraham is the one who put the new covenant into effect. think about this. Abraham offered His only son ( with His wife given of promise by God) because He Loved or (obeyed) God. God offered His only son, because He Loves us. the covenant of Faith, is the faith of Abraham, there is no other faith lol. Faith is exactly seen in Abraham, the man of faith. the only thing that has changed at all is the spirit in us. Gods word is the same it will never change, He changed us to meet His word, not His word to meet us down low, but His word to lift us up high. Faith is just faith, there aren't 2 kinds, or 3 there is truth and deception. we are definitely justified by Faith, the faith of Abraham, the only faith. I'm gonna have to go with the Lords brother on defining faith. God bless

 

[jasonj]

Just another reason not to put your faith in that old KJV.

I never have understood why when we speak modern English, people prefer shakespearian old English. I used to have to read a chapter 5 times to actually get some meaning from it. Thank The Lord for His ability to keep His word in every language and time Love the niv

 

[JesusLives]

Faith isn't just believing.....It is doing what you believe in.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Abraham is the one who put the new covenant into effect. think about this. Abraham offered His only son ( with His wife given of promise by God) because He Loved or (obeyed) God. God offered His only son, because He Loves us. the covenant of Faith, is the faith of Abraham, there is no other faith lol. Faith is exactly seen in Abraham, the man of faith. the only thing that has changed at all is the spirit in us. Gods word is the same it will never change, He changed us to meet His word, not His word to meet us down low, but His word to lift us up high. Faith is just faith, there aren't 2 kinds, or 3 there is truth and deception. we are definitely justified by Faith, the faith of Abraham, the only faith. I'm gonna have to go with the Lords brother on defining faith. God bless

[h=1]Hebrews 9:15-16

"For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it."[/h]

 

[jasonj]

Faith isn't just believing.....It is doing what you believe in.

that is a great simple, true statement that has so much value to anyone who would accept it, thank you and God bless

 

[jasonj]

Hebrews 9:15-16

"For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it."

who has been called but those who follow? Yes Jesus is the mediator. your not hearing what I'm saying. think of a contract signing. God gave Abraham a promise, then told Abraham to do something because Abraham said He believed, Abraham did what God said. this was Abrahams signature on the contract offered by Gods promise to Him. Gods signature is written in the blood of Jesus who is everything, not only the mediator or pour High preist...He is in all and through all and all things were made by and for Him. The new covenant began with Abraham, it went into effect when Jesus came and fulfilled Gods part in the covenant. Faith is just faith, you cant separate action from belief, if they do not agree, one of them is untrue

 

[John146]

Just another reason not to put your faith in that old KJV.

Because it goes against your theology...

 

[John146]

Abraham is the one who put the new covenant into effect. think about this. Abraham offered His only son ( with His wife given of promise by God) because He Loved or (obeyed) God. God offered His only son, because He Loves us. the covenant of Faith, is the faith of Abraham, there is no other faith lol. Faith is exactly seen in Abraham, the man of faith. the only thing that has changed at all is the spirit in us. Gods word is the same it will never change, He changed us to meet His word, not His word to meet us down low, but His word to lift us up high. Faith is just faith, there aren't 2 kinds, or 3 there is truth and deception. we are definitely justified by Faith, the faith of Abraham, the only faith. I'm gonna have to go with the Lords brother on defining faith. God bless

How do you explain away Galatians?