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Does your 'pastor' have a title in front of his name?

Does your 'pastor' sit in a special seat in the sanctuary?

Does he have a special seat in your banquets?

Does he like being acknowledged in the market place?

Is he elevated above the congregation?

Is he payed a 'filthy lucre' salary?

Does he not work a secular job?

Does he take tithes from the poor and widows?

Is he seperate and above other elders?

Does he not wash feet on his knees and serve tables in a servants apron?

News flash: he's a Pharisee. You still can't see it? Some eye salve may be in order so you can SEE! Revelation 3:18
 
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LOLOKGal

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Does your 'pastor' have a title in front of his name?
He earned his title going to a university, no different from someone who earned their PhD. However, he has never introduced himself as "Pastor" nor as "Reverend" and I've never heard him correct anyone in how they refer to him.

Does your 'pastor' sit in a special seat in the sanctuary?
Nope.

Does he have a special seat in your banquets?
Nope. He goes around and sits down with different people, visit with them for a few minutes, and moves on to someone else.

Does he like being acknowledged in the market place?
Nope. Never. Matter of fact, he wouldn't even let us honor him on Pastor's Appreciation Day.

Is he elevated above the congregation?
Nope. He goes around greeting everyone. Opens doors for people. Helps old ladies to their cars, etc...

Is he payed a 'filthy lucre' salary?
"The worker deserves his wages" Luke 10:7 & 1 Timothy 5:18

Does he not work a secular job?
He's too busy visiting people at hospitals, doing dirty work at the church, and counselling people to work a secular job; all while managing to have family time with his wife and kids.

Does he take tithes from the poor and widows?
He has told the board to never let him know who gives what. Anyways, it's not up to anyone in the church if the poor or the widows gives money. That's between them and God.

Is he seperate and above other elders?
No, they work together as a team.

Does he not wash feet on his knees and serve tables in a servants apron?
Do you wash other's feet on your knees? However, I have seen him serve others even when he's in alot of pain (he's had a back injury). I have seen him get down on his hands and knees to fix toilets for people. I have seen him wipe noses of those in hospital rooms. I have seen him serve.

I'm not saying all this to make him look good. You asked. I answered. :D
 

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Does your 'pastor' have a title in front of his name?

Does your 'pastor' sit in a special seat in the sanctuary?

Does he have a special seat in your banquets?

Does he like being acknowledged in the market place?

Is he elevated above the congregation?

Is he payed a 'filthy lucre' salary?

Does he not work a secular job?

Does he take tithes from the poor and widows?

Is he seperate and above other elders?

Does he not wash feet on his knees and serve tables in a servants apron?

News flash: he's a Pharisee. You still can't see it? Some eye salve may be in order so you can SEE! Revelation 3:18
Yet and my pastor went to the temple to pray. Yet lifted his eyes and said "God, I'm glad I'm not like Crossnote's pastor. I don't put a title in front of my name. I don't sit in any special seat. I don't, I don't I don't etc"

Pharisees come in many colors.
 

Yet

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Does your 'pastor' have a title in front of his name?
He earned his title going to a university, no different from someone who earned their PhD. However, he has never introduced himself as "Pastor" nor as "Reverend" and I've never heard him correct anyone in how they refer to him.

Does your 'pastor' sit in a special seat in the sanctuary?
Nope.

Does he have a special seat in your banquets?
Nope. He goes around and sits down with different people, visit with them for a few minutes, and moves on to someone else.

Does he like being acknowledged in the market place?
Nope. Never. Matter of fact, he wouldn't even let us honor him on Pastor's Appreciation Day.

Is he elevated above the congregation?
Nope. He goes around greeting everyone. Opens doors for people. Helps old ladies to their cars, etc...

Is he payed a 'filthy lucre' salary?
"The worker deserves his wages" Luke 10:7 & 1 Timothy 5:18

Does he not work a secular job?
He's too busy visiting people at hospitals, doing dirty work at the church, and counselling people to work a secular job; all while managing to have family time with his wife and kids.

Does he take tithes from the poor and widows?
He has told the board to never let him know who gives what. Anyways, it's not up to anyone in the church if the poor or the widows gives money. That's between them and God.

Is he seperate and above other elders?
No, they work together as a team.

Does he not wash feet on his knees and serve tables in a servants apron?
Do you wash other's feet on your knees? However, I have seen him serve others even when he's in alot of pain (he's had a back injury). I have seen him get down on his hands and knees to fix toilets for people. I have seen him wipe noses of those in hospital rooms. I have seen him serve.

I'm not saying all this to make him look good. You asked. I answered. :D
Four places where you're going wrong.

One: It sounds like you refer to him as the only pastor. This does seperate him as someone 'special'.

1Peter 5 and Acts 20. All elders in the local body are pastors. There is no scriptural endorsement for the 'single' at the top pastor.

Two: Acts 20 Paul commands all elders/pastors to work secular jobs. Your 'pastor' is defying God's word right there.

The itenerent preachers like Paul had a right to accept support. The local elders/pastors were not to serve for filthy lucre.

Acts 20 commands the elders/pastors to work, not sponge off of the folks. Your 'pastor' is breaking another command.

Three: you say he earned his title, but is he not called 'pastor' by anyone. A little confusing. Anyway, See: Acts 20:8-12 Jesus commanded that no religious titles be worn by anyone. Then He said why. Arrogance. If he is allowing anyone to call him by any religious title, or showing partiality to him above others he's breaking another command of God.

Four: One more thing. All Christians are to work ministries. Ephesians 4:12. One man isn't suppose to 'do it all'. The gifts and functions were given to every member. 'He gave gifts unto men, His people. Ephesians 4:8. See: 1Cor. 12, Romans 12, and Ephesians 4.

This deal about one man being the head minister, the one repository for all the ministry's gifts of God, is bogus, not biblical.

I truly doubt that the folks in your fellowship don't hold him in higher regard as someone more special than the other folks.

The folks wanting to have an appreciation day for him proves that they esteem him higher and more special than others.

We are to honor the elders but not to the point of submission and exaltation. These are for Christ alone.

Are we not suppose to pour more abundant honor on the less comely parts? 1Cor. 12:24

Are we to show favoritism? That is sin. James 2:9

This is engrained in Christians that there MUST be one man who is the do it all master, minister, and eminent one. Everyone is special we say but there is one individual who Is more special than the special.

He is relied upon and expected to quit his day job and 'be our one man show, leader'.

Please study those chapters. A warning. You won't find the Single Pastor in them. Everyone ministered in their spiritual functions.

A body has many parts. One man cannot contain all the gifts God has for His people. So the body languishes in impotency because the folks are not allowed or expected to ever graduate into functionality and service 'one unto another' in the open meeting that Paul has shown us. Perpetual students that never grow up.


A paying audience and the same guy sermonizing every Sunday morning is NOT the 'church', the scriptures envision.
 
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Tintin

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Does your 'pastor' have a title in front of his name?
Yes. But he prefers to just be called Andy.

Does your 'pastor' sit in a special seat in the sanctuary?
No. But he always sits in the front row for quick access to the front for when he's leading the service.

Does he have a special seat in your banquets?
Nope.

Does he like being acknowledged in the marketplace?
Nope.

Is he elevated above the congregation?
Nope. He's a very humble man.

Is he
paid a 'filthy lucre' salary?
Yes. He's paid money but he's so busy serving there's little time to do anything else. Also, it's a very modest sum.

Does he not work a secular job?
Nope. No time.

Does he take tithes from the poor and widows?
Nope.

Is he
separate and above other elders?
They work as a team but he has a little more say than them.

Does he not wash feet on his knees and serve tables in a
servant's apron?
Not regularly, but he's done it several times as an act of service in small groups.I'm not sure what a servant's apron is but my pastor has no difficulty serving people. He doesn't serve tables (why would he?) but if we have food, he often helps to cook the BBQ and then he wears an apron.
 
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coby2

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no no no no no no no
how much questions were there?

Now I have that song in my head.
No no no no no no
God's not dead
 
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JustWhoIAm

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No. Some of us can't go to church, or anywhere at all for that matter (including online), without being singled out, regardless of how we try to just be a normal friendly person on the street.

*Facepalm*

The whole point of my ministry is that it's not about me or you but about the Father and his plans!

In a corrupt wold, what do we stand for as christians but the opposition of corruption for the greater good?
 
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Ariel82

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Normal friendly person?

Nope never been a goal of mine....called out,on fire totally bizare Jesus freak...might be a closer description.



Why create a thread to encourage the sin of judging God's servants?

Yes there are some corrupt people who would,be called Rabbi, but God calls us to,examine our own hearts and lives.
 
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Ariel82

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Blanket statements condemning all pastors does nothing but condemn yourself,with your words.
 
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Four places where you're going wrong.

One: It sounds like you refer to him as the only pastor. This does seperate him as someone 'special'.

1Peter 5 and Acts 20. All elders in the local body are pastors. There is no scriptural endorsement for the 'single' at the top pastor.

Two: Acts 20 Paul commands all elders/pastors to work secular jobs. Your 'pastor' is defying God's word right there.

The itenerent preachers like Paul had a right to accept support. The local elders/pastors were not to serve for filthy lucre.

Acts 20 commands the elders/pastors to work, not sponge off of the folks. Your 'pastor' is breaking another command.

Three: you say he earned his title, but is he not called 'pastor' by anyone. A little confusing. Anyway, See: Acts 20:8-12 Jesus commanded that no religious titles be worn by anyone. Then He said why. Arrogance. If he is allowing anyone to call him by any religious title, or showing partiality to him above others he's breaking another command of God.

Four: One more thing. All Christians are to work ministries. Ephesians 4:12. One man isn't suppose to 'do it all'. The gifts and functions were given to every member. 'He gave gifts unto men, His people. Ephesians 4:8. See: 1Cor. 12, Romans 12, and Ephesians 4.

This deal about one man being the head minister, the one repository for all the ministry's gifts of God, is bogus, not biblical.

I truly doubt that the folks in your fellowship don't hold him in higher regard as someone more special than the other folks.

The folks wanting to have an appreciation day for him proves that they esteem him higher and more special than others.

We are to honor the elders but not to the point of submission and exaltation. These are for Christ alone.

Are we not suppose to pour more abundant honor on the less comely parts? 1Cor. 12:24

Are we to show favoritism? That is sin. James 2:9

This is engrained in Christians that there MUST be one man who is the do it all master, minister, and eminent one. Everyone is special we say but there is one individual who Is more special than the special.

He is relied upon and expected to quit his day job and 'be our one man show, leader'.

Please study those chapters. A warning. You won't find the Single Pastor in them. Everyone ministered in their spiritual functions.

A body has many parts. One man cannot contain all the gifts God has for His people. So the body languishes in impotency because the folks are not allowed or expected to ever graduate into functionality and service 'one unto another' in the open meeting that Paul has shown us. Perpetual students that never grow up.


A paying audience and the same guy sermonizing every Sunday morning is NOT the 'church', the scriptures envision.
Only one place where you're wrong -- taking it out on all pastors because you were told no by one once long ago and have been having a temper tantrum to exclude any other life ever since.
 
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Hi,

Dear Sir = Yet

A few details you have brought up .

1, filthy lurca and whats that meant to mean that money is wrong Jesus the man never said it was and he used it to pay who .....

it,s a means of exchange the money is not the problem its how people think about it and how they use it .

2, And the church,s did surpport other members with in their groups ,

3 , You have a thing about laws and commands time you saw that for what it is , we are not under any law,s or commands The Most High cares not for one law or Command concerning people and that includes every one past present and future, The Most High only ...Ask,s ... of us for our Love and worship and and to follow where the foot steps lead us ,

Following some commands can not do that and wont . you all so forget by your judgment of others you set your self as judge and getting others to answer your many ????s your setting them up to be judges as well , .

What did the Most High say judge no one because youll come under fire for the same ,

I'm not accountable to you so I would not answer your ????s and nor is any one else .

The Lord is ... Asking.... us to fellowship with those who are called quess who they are every one of us , and no one is left out ,

Had The Lord wonted praise then theres many spirits who can do that and they do , we are different we come because we can we wont too big difference from being ....TOLD....we have to .

........................... LOVE we give love we have and love with out reward ,.............................

...noeleena...
 
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BeyondET

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Four places where you're going wrong.

One: It sounds like you refer to him as the only pastor. This does seperate him as someone 'special'.

1Peter 5 and Acts 20. All elders in the local body are pastors. There is no scriptural endorsement for the 'single' at the top pastor.

Two: Acts 20 Paul commands all elders/pastors to work secular jobs. Your 'pastor' is defying God's word right there.

The itenerent preachers like Paul had a right to accept support. The local elders/pastors were not to serve for filthy lucre.

Acts 20 commands the elders/pastors to work, not sponge off of the folks. Your 'pastor' is breaking another command.

Three: you say he earned his title, but is he not called 'pastor' by anyone. A little confusing. Anyway, See: Acts 20:8-12 Jesus commanded that no religious titles be worn by anyone. Then He said why. Arrogance. If he is allowing anyone to call him by any religious title, or showing partiality to him above others he's breaking another command of God.

Four: One more thing. All Christians are to work ministries. Ephesians 4:12. One man isn't suppose to 'do it all'. The gifts and functions were given to every member. 'He gave gifts unto men, His people. Ephesians 4:8. See: 1Cor. 12, Romans 12, and Ephesians 4.

This deal about one man being the head minister, the one repository for all the ministry's gifts of God, is bogus, not biblical.

I truly doubt that the folks in your fellowship don't hold him in higher regard as someone more special than the other folks.

The folks wanting to have an appreciation day for him proves that they esteem him higher and more special than others.

We are to honor the elders but not to the point of submission and exaltation. These are for Christ alone.

Are we not suppose to pour more abundant honor on the less comely parts? 1Cor. 12:24

Are we to show favoritism? That is sin. James 2:9

This is engrained in Christians that there MUST be one man who is the do it all master, minister, and eminent one. Everyone is special we say but there is one individual who Is more special than the special.

He is relied upon and expected to quit his day job and 'be our one man show, leader'.

Please study those chapters. A warning. You won't find the Single Pastor in them. Everyone ministered in their spiritual functions.

A body has many parts. One man cannot contain all the gifts God has for His people. So the body languishes in impotency because the folks are not allowed or expected to ever graduate into functionality and service 'one unto another' in the open meeting that Paul has shown us. Perpetual students that never grow up.


A paying audience and the same guy sermonizing every Sunday morning is NOT the 'church', the scriptures envision.
Four places your going wrong

1. That man is special

2. Your confused,,, she said her pastor doesn't go by a title, but you say he is going by a title.. yea ok that makes no sense at all .....though in your mind you see him as with a title regardless all men of churches have titles that's your beef with the church. huh what's a elder?? that's not a title.... Another title for a title just replacing one with another.

3. You say the folks are wanting a appreciation day for him proves they esteem him higher and more special than others....
what tha this statement is pulling something out of a rabbit hat... She never stated anything about a appreciation day for her pastor,,, though I gather your thoughts about appreciation day are on the Sunday gatherings right..

4. Acts 20 8-12
It is Paul in those verses and not a about arrogance.
 
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Persuaded

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Does your 'pastor' have a title in front of his name?

Does your 'pastor' sit in a special seat in the sanctuary?

Does he have a special seat in your banquets?

Does he like being acknowledged in the market place?

Is he elevated above the congregation?

Is he payed a 'filthy lucre' salary?

Does he not work a secular job?

Does he take tithes from the poor and widows?

Is he seperate and above other elders?

Does he not wash feet on his knees and serve tables in a servants apron?

News flash: he's a Pharisee. You still can't see it? Some eye salve may be in order so you can SEE! Revelation 3:18
New thread, same rant. The same judging of others. The same "I am holy and righteous". you are not. The same "God have revealed the truth to me, and you will not listen". The same " I am in the light and you are in the darkness".

Who is displaying the traits of the Pharisee here?
 

Budman

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Does your 'pastor' have a title in front of his name?

Does your 'pastor' sit in a special seat in the sanctuary?

Does he have a special seat in your banquets?

Does he like being acknowledged in the market place?

Is he elevated above the congregation?

Is he payed a 'filthy lucre' salary?

Does he not work a secular job?

Does he take tithes from the poor and widows?

Is he seperate and above other elders?

Does he not wash feet on his knees and serve tables in a servants apron?

News flash: he's a Pharisee. You still can't see it? Some eye salve may be in order so you can SEE! Revelation 3:18

Hey, Yet - guess who sounds like a broken record?




You do.
 
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Yet and my pastor went to the temple to pray. Yet lifted his eyes and said "God, I'm glad I'm not like Crossnote's pastor. I don't put a title in front of my name. I don't sit in any special seat. I don't, I don't I don't etc"

Pharisees come in many colors.
There is more truth in this post than I care to think about.
 
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psalm6819

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Dear Yet, so sorry that your anger blinds you to all else
 
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jaybird88

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Does your 'pastor' have a title in front of his name?
He earned his title going to a university, no different from someone who earned their PhD. However, he has never introduced himself as "Pastor" nor as "Reverend" and I've never heard him correct anyone in how they refer to him.
did Jesus have a proper degree from an accredited university?
 

notuptome

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Does your 'pastor' have a title in front of his name?

Does your 'pastor' sit in a special seat in the sanctuary?

Does he have a special seat in your banquets?

Does he like being acknowledged in the market place?

Is he elevated above the congregation?

Is he payed a 'filthy lucre' salary?

Does he not work a secular job?

Does he take tithes from the poor and widows?

Is he seperate and above other elders?

Does he not wash feet on his knees and serve tables in a servants apron?

News flash: he's a Pharisee. You still can't see it? Some eye salve may be in order so you can SEE! Revelation 3:18
A toxic rant against the ones Christ died to save. The weeping is Christ when He looks upon the way His pastors are treated and the false baseless accusations leveled against them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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