Not saved by following the law

[Scriptureplz]

Please understand grace believers do not condone living a life a sin. We emphasize that obedience to God does not contribute to being "born again". In fact, unless you believe it is all by Gods grace through His Sons death burial and resurrection, the bible says you're not saved! Have you ever really considered what scripture says? What the meaning of grace is? Examine your *thinking*, because that is where salvation starts and ends!

When you "change your mind" from the *thought* that you could contribute to your salvation by any action of your own, you have "repented" toward salvation and therefore HAVE BELIEVED the TRUTH of the GOSPEL. Until then, you're lost!

This is the Greek translation and the real meaning of "repent". *THINK* about it!

G3340

μετανοέω
metanoeō
met-an-o-eh'-o
From G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): - repent.
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But what about the law???

Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!
Acts

The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)
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Romans

The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)
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If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)
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The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)
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The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)
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Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)
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Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)
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The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)
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The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)
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The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)
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The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)
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1 Corinthians

The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)
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2 Corinthians

The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)
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The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)
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The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)
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The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)
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Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)
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Galatians

The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)
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Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)
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The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)
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To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)
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The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)
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The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)
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The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)
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The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)
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If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)
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The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)
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The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)
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Ephesians

Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)
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Philippians

Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)
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1 Timothy

The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)
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It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
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Hebrews

The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)
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God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)
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It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)
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It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)
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Well there you have it… 37 scriptures that make a very convincing arguement.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Please understand grace believers do not condone living a life a sin. We emphasize that obedience to God does not contribute to being "born again". In fact, unless you believe it is all by Gods grace through His Sons death burial and resurrection, the bible says you're not saved! Have you ever really considered what scripture says? What the meaning of grace is? Examine your *thinking*, because that is where salvation starts and ends!

The bible doesn't say this. It says that believing and acknowledging that Jesus is lord and has been raised from the dead achieves salvation through the new birth. The eunuch in the desert was saved by confessing that he believed that Jesus was the son of GOD and being baptized into the body of Christ.

This idea that salvation comes by right thinking or believing is salvation by the act of knowing (gnosis). That is the gnostic heresy.

G1108 γνῶσις gnosis (gno`-sis) n.
1. knowing (the act)
2. (by implication) knowledge

 

[Yonah]

Act 22:12
And one Ananias, a devout man according to the lawl, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,


Rom 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


Rom 7:16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

1Ti 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;


Act 24:14
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

I think its important to have a balanced viewpoint...as it is true that "no flesh is justified by the law" we need to also understand that if what many believe is true and the law is obsolete (the context of Heb. 7and 8 is the priesthood) then the question should be answered: why would the law be written on our hearts if its obsolete, (Jer. 31:31-34) also if the law was completely obsolete in the NT times please explain why John defined sin as transgression of the law? (1 John 3:4).
I want to make this clear and state that I know that obeying the commandments in and of themselves saves nobody, only the blood of our Savior can do that... however to state that the whole of the commands given in the OT are obsolete is simply not biblically sound... and the Father in his infinite wisdom would never remove the boundries that keep us safe from death. just an opinion of a student of scripture... "there's 2 sides to every issue and somewhere in the middle is the truth"

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

When you "change your mind" from the *thought* that you could contribute to your salvation by any action of your own, you have "repented" toward salvation and therefore HAVE BELIEVED the TRUTH of the GOSPEL. Until then, you're lost!

This is the Greek translation and the real meaning of "repent". *THINK* about it!

The gnostics undid "the sin of material existence" by knowing the right thoughts, which they believed saved them (returned them to the pleroma, i.e., heaven).

The ultimate end of all Gnosis is metanoia, or repentance, the undoing of the sin of material existence and the return to the Pleroma. ​

 

[Scriptureplz]

I suggest you read the verses I provided. If you seek salvation by the law you go to hell. Read!

 

[Depleted]

Got bored with your last thread about the same thing already?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Act 22:12
And one Ananias, a devout man according to the lawl, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,


Rom 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


Rom 7:16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that itis good.

1Ti 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;


Act 24:14
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

I think its important to have a balanced viewpoint...as it is true that "no flesh is justified by the law" we need to also understand that if what many believe is true and the law is obsolete (the context of Heb. 7and 8 is the priesthood) then the question should be answered: why would the law be written on our hearts if its obsolete, (Jer. 31:31-34) also if the law was completely obsolete in the NT times please explain why John defined sin as transgression of the law? (1 John 3:4).
I want to make this clear and state that I know that obeying the commandments in and of themselves saves nobody, only the blood of our Savior can do that... however to state that the whole of the commands given in the OT are obsolete is simply not biblically sound... and the Father in his infinite wisdom would never remove the boundries that keep us safe from death. just an opinion of a student of scripture... "there's 2 sides to every issue and somewhere in the middle is the truth"

Romans 7:4-6

"Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter."

 

[Scriptureplz]

Got bored with your last thread about the same thing already?

No, but if you are feel free not to read it.

 

[Grace777x70]

The Law represents self-effort. It is the "doing" of things to get a desired result. This is the true meaning of living by law and it takes on many forms.

Self-effort can be seen in the life of Abraham - our father of faith. He tried to fulfill the "word of God" in his flesh by self-effort with Hagar and look what he produced. He did have good intentions but they were not recognized by God.

God had to wait until Abraham couldn't do anything with his own self-effort before the son of the promise came - Isaac. By the believing in what God had said alone is how we live the true Christian life now. It is His fruit bearing in our lives and it is all by grace through faith in Christ's finished work.

God doesn't recognize our own efforts in our flesh to fulfill the word of God. He said to Abraham "Take your son, your only son.."

 

[sparkman]

Act 22:12
And one Ananias, a devout man according to the lawl, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,


Rom 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


Rom 7:16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that itis good.

1Ti 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;


Act 24:14
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

I think its important to have a balanced viewpoint...as it is true that "no flesh is justified by the law" we need to also understand that if what many believe is true and the law is obsolete (the context of Heb. 7and 8 is the priesthood) then the question should be answered: why would the law be written on our hearts if its obsolete, (Jer. 31:31-34) also if the law was completely obsolete in the NT times please explain why John defined sin as transgression of the law? (1 John 3:4).
I want to make this clear and state that I know that obeying the commandments in and of themselves saves nobody, only the blood of our Savior can do that... however to state that the whole of the commands given in the OT are obsolete is simply not biblically sound... and the Father in his infinite wisdom would never remove the boundries that keep us safe from death. just an opinion of a student of scripture... "there's 2 sides to every issue and somewhere in the middle is the truth"

Nothing I say below should be interpreted that I am against the moral elements of the Mosaic Covenant, however the Mosaic Covenant as a whole is not in effect anymore. There are moral elements which are timeless simply by their nature. They are timeless, not because they were included in the Mosaic Covenant, but because they are moral absolutes. However, to have a law-driven mentality, rather than a Spirit-led mentality, would be a mistake too.

I have checked these thoughts with various knowledgeable sources including a NT professor who attends my fellowship, who has a solid Greek background, so I am confident my perspective is reasonable. In addition, I have struggled with understanding the related topics due to my prior life as a Sabbath observer.

I don't think anomia of I John 3:4 is referring to the Mosaic Covenant, but is referring to the state of rebellion that unconverted mankind is under. Modern translations use lawlessness as a translation, rather than transgression of the law. I think I John 3:4 is linking motivation with behavior. Hamartia (sin or behavior) is linked with anomia (rebellion or motivation).

One needs to keep in mind that I John was written in part to define the behavior of the secessionists, who were unsaved, versus the behavior of those who are true believers. I believe a proper rendering of I John 3:4 is identifying those who were secessionists with individuals who were in rebellion against God, in essence unsaved.

So, I do not link anomia directly with the Mosaic Covenant, although much of the Mosaic Covenant was moral in nature. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that because the root of the word anomia is nomos which can be used in relation to the Mosaic Covenant, that violating the Mosaic Covenant is sin, as the word nomos is also used in relation to the law of a man over his wife in Romans 7, for example. I relate the word more to rebellion, although I am open to considering that nomos also refers to God's moral law in an abstract sense, as being God's commandments that apply to New Covenant believers. However, I would categorize some elements as being ceremonial and ritualistic in nature that a minority would not agree upon.

My perspective on this issue is that "the law" in NT writings is referring to either the Mosaic Covenant or God's moral law, and these are not synonymous. The reason I say this is because the Mosaic Covenant included more than just moral law. It included shadows and types that are not applicable to the New Covenant believer. I would include more in this category than others might, including the Sabbath, festivals, and clean/unclean meat laws. Others would agree physical circumcision is no longer applicable, as well as dress issues such as wearing mixed fabrics or tassels.

In regards to the Mosaic Covenant, as a whole, it is not applicable anymore. The covenant was made with ancient Israel and God, not with God and the New Covenant believer. However (and this is a big however), spiritual and moral principles underlay the specific applications that were given to ancient Israel, and a Spirit-led Christian can discern those and derive spiritual and moral guidance from them.

I do not think the Mosaic Covenant is the definitive standard with regards to behavior. The Gospels and apostolic writings significantly expanded upon the Mosaic Covenant. In addition, there are elements which are shadows or types which no longer apply and have been fulfilled in Christ.

Being led by the Holy Spirit is the focus, not being led by the Mosaic Covenant. The Mosaic Covenant was made with carnal Israel, which God used for a specific purpose. Most of Israel was not converted. Specific applications were communicated to them because they were carnal and could not understand spiritual things. Notice that Paul first addresses the Judaizers in Galatians, and then has a long discourse about being led by the Spirit in Galatians 5:16-26, and this is not accidental. Paul knew that the Mosaic Covenant was temporary in nature (Read Galatians 3), and was a schoolmaster to lead the Jews to Christ.

Once one is led to Christ, they receive the Holy Spirit, which leads them in regards to behavior. This is one of the big reasons why I butt heads with some "Torah observers". The focus of some of them (not all of them) is law-driven rather than Spirit-led. They are like 40 year old adults trying to continue wearing diapers and suck bottles. Those things have a reason for a certain state of development, but they need to get past it and move into the Spirit-led life, instead of proclaiming their superiority in terms of knowledge and behavior, and looking down on non-observers (although I agree there is nothing wrong with observing some of the elements of the Mosaic Covenant as a preference and not a requirement).

The Mosaic Covenant was a bit like communicating with a child. Parents need to make rules for children which are explicit in nature, because children don't understand principles so well due to their immaturity. God gave very specific instructions to Israel because they were carnal children for the most part (there was a remnant of true believers always though, who had a genuine faith relationship with God). When we were kindergartners, our teachers walked us to the cafeteria for lunch to ensure that we did not get lost, in a single file form. When we were high school students, we didn't need walked to and from the classroom; we were trusted to get there ourselves. Such is the difference between ancient Israel and the Christian. Christians have the Holy Spirit which empowers them to be led in right direction without specific laws, although the laws of the Mosaic Covenant can certainly provide some basic spiritual and moral guidance for the believer which is empowered by the Holy Spirit to discern what translates directly and what does not.

Regarding the Mosaic Covenant, though, the following Scriptures show it is not applicable as a whole: Acts 15, II Corinthians 3, Galatians 3 and 4 (actually the whole book), Ephesians 2:13-15, and Romans 7:1-7. I would also include Hebrews 8 and 9 as I do not think Hebrews is addressing just the priesthood; the book's main theme is how Christ is "better than" the characters of Israel's history, and how the New Covenant is "better than" the Mosaic Covenant.

I am with you Yonah, that this is a very tricky subject and can easily degenerate into antinomianism or lawlessness (believing that there is such a thing as a Christian who is disobedient as a lifestyle) if terms and explanations are not well defined. The above is how I view the topic from the perspective of an ex Sabbath/festival/clean meat person. I consider these elements to be ceremonial or ritualistic in nature, and part of the "boundary marker" commandments that separated ancient Israel from the Gentile nations. You may not agree with that, and I respect that view. Romans 14 allows for differences of views on this topic, and I respect your views and zealousness as you know whether I agree with precise details of your understanding (the precise details of my understanding from one year to the next changes as well).

A Christian is regenerated (born again or born from above) and has a nature that wants to please and obey God. He may sin, and even struggle with persistent sins for a long period of time, but when viewed as a whole, his lifestyle will be one of obedience. Some groups within the professing Christian church deny this truth. Those who claim that faith doesn't produce the fruit of obedience and good works are to be avoided. I am not saying that this is the case with anyone on the thread.

I also view any deviation from God's holiness as a sin, and not the Mosaic Covenant. The Mosaic Covenant only weakly reflected God's holiness, like a candle is dim in comparison to the bright blazing sun. Jesus Christ was a full revelation of God's holiness, like the bright blazing sun. Jesus Christ lives within the believer now, though, through the Person of the Holy Spirit. And his direct guidance (informed by Scripture for sure) is the best revelation with regards to moral and spiritual guidance.

 

[garee]

The bible doesn't say this. It says that believing and acknowledging that Jesus is lord and has been raised from the dead achieves salvation through the new birth. The eunuch in the desert was saved by confessing that he believed that Jesus was the son of GOD and being baptized into the body of Christ.

We are justified by the "law of faith" (unseen working of Christ in us) in respect to the faith of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God.

It would be kind of hard to repent unless a person first hears his words as the hearing of faith so that we can turn to a God who has no form and understand.

That baptism using that seen the temporal was an Old testament ceremonial purifying law in respect to a new priest entering the Leviticus kingdom of priest .It is applied to us today as a kingdom of priest.All believers are considered priest in that way.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit not seen that came from the hearing of faith is in view with the eunuch. There is nothing we can do that is performed by human hands that could make us a new creature. God is not served by human hands, never was never will be.

This idea that salvation comes by right thinking or believing is salvation by the act of knowing (gnosis). That is the gnostic heresy.

G1108 γνῶσις gnosis (gno`-sis) n.
1. knowing (the act)
2. (by implication) knowledge

The thinking is in respect to his mind that we have in us. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God they simple do not belong to our Savior. His thoughts are not ours and neither are his ways.

Two kinds of wisdom's, as well as knowledge. Men (natural) die from lack of His Knowledge.

Remember he informs us. Of a man’s own volition no man can seek after God who has no form.

First and foremost we need his understanding or knowledge as to what that understanding is so that we then can seek after Him.

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom 3:10

According to the perfect law of faith (the unseen) the Psalms beautifully reveals how we can understand him and therefore can seek after Him and not after the imaginations of our own heart as an alternative way to measure the unseen.(faith)

What tis gnosis (gno`-sis) is bolded and what it performs in us both to will and do His good pleasure I will underline..

The law of the LORD is perfect, “converting” the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise “the simple”. Psa 19:7 (Giving us simply ones his understanding)

Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Psa 19:9-10

Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant “warned”: and in keeping of them there is great reward. ( We therefore can seek after Him)

Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer. Psa 19:12

 

[bikerchaz]

There is something irking me and I cant put my finger on it. This subject keeps coming up, as if it is some kind of mystic guru that needs to be unravelled. (no offence meant to anyone)

The op wrote this;

When you "change your mind" from the *thought* that you could contribute to your salvation by any action of your own, you have "repented" toward salvation and therefore HAVE BELIEVED the TRUTH of the GOSPEL. Until then, you're lost!

Knowing that one could loose ones salvation by how and what we do is not "contributing to salvation", Salvation is something we are given as a free gift, not earned by works, and it happens the very moment we believe, some of us know it there and then, while some of us come to realise it through the Holy Spirit and reading the word or study.

There does seem to be a fault in the minds of some though that once accepted and in grace we cant leave that hallowed place. This is wrong in so many ways and plain reading of the scriptures reveals this.

 

[Scriptureplz]

There is something irking me and I cant put my finger on it. This subject keeps coming up, as if it is some kind of mystic guru that needs to be unravelled. (no offence meant to anyone)

The op wrote this;


Knowing that one could loose ones salvation by how and what we do is not "contributing to salvation", Salvation is something we are given as a free gift, not earned by works, and it happens the very moment we believe, some of us know it there and then, while some of us come to realise it through the Holy Spirit and reading the word or study.

There does seem to be a fault in the minds of some though that once accepted and in grace we cant leave that hallowed place. This is wrong in so many ways and plain reading of the scriptures reveals this.

To understand this truth you have to understand what scripture says God does by His own work for us when we believe the gospel. I have spent every day for almost 3 and a half years studying scripture an average of 10 hours a day. If you are teachable I will be happy to show you this truth by scripture. If not I had rather not waste the time.

 

[Grace777x70]

There is something irking me and I cant put my finger on it. This subject keeps coming up, as if it is some kind of mystic guru that needs to be unravelled. (no offence meant to anyone)

The op wrote this;


Knowing that one could loose ones salvation by how and what we do is not "contributing to salvation", Salvation is something we are given as a free gift, not earned by works, and it happens the very moment we believe, some of us know it there and then, while some of us come to realise it through the Holy Spirit and reading the word or study.

There does seem to be a fault in the minds of some though that once accepted and in grace we cant leave that hallowed place. This is wrong in so many ways and plain reading of the scriptures reveals this.

This video here may help in the understanding of the word "repentance " as it was used in the Greek world when the New Testament scripture was written.

Sometimes the meaning of some words have been "hijacked" by our religious upbringing and traditions and when we hear them used differently - it can be dis-concerning to our minds.

The discussion of whether we have eternal security once we are in Christ is a whole different subject and there are tons of threads on that subject. Just type in eternal security in the search engine. Here is an example....

http://christianchat.com/search.php?searchid=1735583

[video=vimeo;112172173]https://vimeo.com/112172173[/video]

 

[ATH1]

I get angry at Christians that think once saved always saved! and we are no longer under the law Are we now able to break all the commandments multiple times a day and are just automatically saved because we were saved when we were younger??????
Salvation is not like buying a life insurance policy. God knows your heart and if are not truly repentant and change from your wicked lives, God knows . Salvation is not a get out of jail free card. You quote the bible but you seem to have forgotten, or just ignore the one that says (Jesus speaking) I came NOT to change one dot or title of the law, but to fulfil it!!!!!
I can't believe all the adults that believe once saved always saved. God knows your HEART and your intention,. It is TRUE heart wrenching agony that you sinned and ask for repentance, God will listen to your plea, but f God sees a determination you are really not sorry and are going to continue on " because you have an insurance policy you are going to b sadly sorry when you bounce off the pearly gate one day.

imagine this senario... You walk up to the pearly gates and say I know I killed thousands of people and did all the sinning I wanted to but I know you have to open the door for me because I asked for forgiveness of all my sins for the rest of my life!

angry at stupidity today....allan

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I get angry at Christians that think once saved always saved! and we are no longer under the law Are we now able to break all the commandments multiple times a day and are just automatically saved because we were saved when we were younger??????

You must not get mad often then, Because I know no one who believes this, in fact, have never met anyone who even gave this a second thought..

Salvation is not like buying a life insurance policy. God knows your heart and if are not truly repentant and change from your wicked lives, God knows . Salvation is not a get out of jail free card. You quote the bible but you seem to have forgotten, or just ignore the one that says (Jesus speaking) I came NOT to change one dot or title of the law, but to fulfil it!!!!!
I can't believe all the adults that believe once saved always saved. God knows your HEART and your intention,. It is TRUE heart wrenching agony that you sinned and ask for repentance, God will listen to your plea, but f God sees a determination you are really not sorry and are going to continue on " because you have an insurance policy you are going to b sadly sorry when you bounce off the pearly gate one day.

imagine this senario... You walk up to the pearly gates and say I know I killed thousands of people and did all the sinning I wanted to but I know you have to open the door for me because I asked for forgiveness of all my sins for the rest of my life!

angry at stupidity today....allan

Salvation is a gift, I get angry every time someone tries to turn a gift offered by God into some kind of reward for good behavior. or downpayment for good works. (and yes, This means I get angry alot!!)

Salvation is a gift of God. It means we are saved from eternal wrath..

To say anything else is to trample on the cross of Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

We who are in Christ are under laws now..

1) the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus

2) the royal law of love

3) the law of faith

4) the law of liberty in Christ

5) the law of Jesus


The Law written in our hearts is Jesus

Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them.

This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord, you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).

The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus himself.

How do you know he’s there? Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.

Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.

 

[ATH1]

Salvation is a gift, I get angry every time someone tries to turn a gift offered by God into some kind of reward for good behavior. or downpayment for good works. (and yes, This means I get angry alot!!)

Yes you are correct!! It is a gift from God, but only if we are truely repentant and are sorry we sinned and do everything possible to NOT repeat the sin. But there are those that preach that you can live like the devil and still get into Heaven with a free pass just by asking forgiveness . If it were so why would we need to come before a judgement with God..

I can just hear people (souls) standing before God, and it says that at judgement, Hey God, remember when you said I was saved forever no mateer what I do because I am covered by this once saved always saved no matter what I do clause.

allan

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Salvation is a gift, I get angry every time someone tries to turn a gift offered by God into some kind of reward for good behavior. or downpayment for good works. (and yes, This means I get angry alot!!)

Yes you are correct!! It is a gift from God, but only if we are truely repentant and are sorry we sinned and do everything possible to NOT repeat the sin.

Thats not a gift, Thats earning a reward for trying not to sin. That is self willed salvation, Bot Gods mercy salvation.

But there are those that preach that you can live like the devil and still get into Heaven with a free pass just by asking forgiveness . If it were so why would we need to come before a judgement with God..

yeah who? I hear this accusation so much in here, But I never see any proof. so who does it?

I can just hear people (souls) standing before God, and it says that at judgement, Hey God, remember when you said I was saved forever no mateer what I do because I am covered by this once saved always saved no matter what I do clause.

allan

lol.. I see a worse picture, People who come lay all their works at jesus, expecting to be saved, And jesus saying he never knew them, and telling them to depart.

Because they tried to earn the free gift of salvation with bloody rags (works)

I recommend you stop listening to your pastor who is telling you all kinds of lies about people. and listen to the people themselves. Then you will know what they really believe.

 

[Scriptureplz]

Allan said........

"It is a gift from God, but only if we are truely repentant and are sorry we sinned and do everything possible to NOT repeat the sin."

Then in your mind, you are not saved unless you DO something. That is not a gift!