Israel’s Final Restoration

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Note: Much of this article is still speculative with me and my hope in sharing it is that there might be more truth brought out concerning it. It is my belief that God has never “broken off” His union with Israel, just His fellowship, which will be reestablished during the final coming of the Lord Jesus.


Israel’s Final Restoration

One of the most important Biblical doctrines which has not been recovered, even within the Reformation is that which has to do with the dispensation of God’s people Israel. Scripture-obscurity is often the cause of misunderstanding various truths but nevertheless, God eventually reveals them to the persistent searcher.

Due to promises concerning Abraham’s grandson Israel (Jacob), God is going to “put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them” (Eze 36:27). It’s clear this prophecy relates directly to the lineage of Abraham by language such as “For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land” (v 24), which has been transpiring since the time of Israel’s rebirth as a nation in 1948.

It has yet to be seen concerning Eze 36:27, along with its companion-prophecy of Jer 31:31-33 which speaks of undeniable Jewish blood posterity concerning another but final law covenant “with the house of Israel” (v 33). The present position of Israel attests to the fact that these and all related prophecies (except the beginning of their present return to their land) are futuristic, and the Jews whom God will covenant with will be those who are still alive at Christ’s coming.

Those within the prior dispensation who believed (trusted) in God from Adam to Christ are in Heaven, but those who did not believe have perished (Heb 11:31). In the present dispensation since Christ’s coming, all who do not believe in Him perish, for they are “condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (John 3:18).

I consider dispensations as periods which have existed in the present life on the old earth, e.g. earthly dispensations, thus, in my opinion the final dispensation is from the initial transpiration of the occurrences within the prophecies of Revelation until the removal of the present old earth. I believe it is during this time period—and principally within the Millennium (Rev 20:4)—where most of the obscurities concerning Israel’s end-time prophecies exist and will then become clear.

My understanding is that it is during the Millennium (thousand years on this old earth) when God will bring to pass Israel’s end-time Scriptural prophecies and declarations, i.e. Eze/Jer, Luke 22:29, 30, etc. I strongly suspect that the remaining nation of Israel who will be alive at this time will not enter into these prophecies until they see the Lord Jesus at His return.

None of the Apostles and disciples were familiar enough with the concept concerning His resurrection to believe in it, that's why they couldn't believe in it until they saw Him (John 20:9, 20), even though this was foretold within the analogies of the OT sacrificial ordinances of the Law, and hinted of by Christ. I believe there is much instruction from what Jesus said, that “because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The learning here is contained within the word “blessed,” which I believe designs the intention of a greater glory and position for those who learn to believe on Christ’s resurrection—after His ascension—in order that faith in His resurrection cannot be derived from physical proof. I also do not think the fact of Christ’s resurrection was intended to be clear enough to His followers to attribute fault as to their being dull of hearing concerning His resurrection, which shows me that God did not want to reveal this until ‘ex post facto’, e.g. after He was raised.

It must be realized that though the post-ascension believers did not have the opportunity to see the Lord Jesus in His resurrected body, they do have the advantage of the Spirit of God “confirming” (Rom 8:16; 1John 5:6) everything to them in their faith (which the disciples did not have until after His ascension). The remaining nation of Israel who believe in God but not in His Son (John 14:1) will be the recipients of God putting His “Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you shall keep My judgments, and do them” (Eze 36:27), which will finally bring them to faith in Christ, but the “blessing” of son-ship will not be known among them, only the position of being “people of God” (Jer 32:38-40; Heb 8:10).

This is unlike the position of son-ship and people of God for all who believe in Christ prior to His final return (Rom 9:24-26). He will be seen in the capacity of vengeance (Rev 19:16) but His final glory, which will bring again God’s fellowship with Israel forever will not occur until His final appearing at the “first resurrection.”

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trofimus

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Church is the real Israel and Christian is the real Jew and the son of Abraham.
There is no biblical need to wait for unbelieving Jews to be massively converted to Christianity in the last days, imho.
 
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Israel will be restored only at Jesus second coming.
They will then accept Him as Messiah and He will reign from David's throne for 1000 years.
 

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Israel will be restored only at Jesus second coming.
They will then accept Him as Messiah and He will reign from David's throne for 1000 years.
Why? What will be the purpose of this?
 

trofimus

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Fulfillment of Scripture.
This is only one of several possible Scripture explanations. If this explanation (literal 1000 years reign from Israel) is true, what is the purpose of such long thing? To show what? Or to wait for what?
 
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This is only one of several possible Scripture explanations. If this explanation (literal 1000 years reign from Israel) is true, what is the purpose of such long thing? To show what? Or to wait for what?
With God, I do not ask why. God said it, I believe it. After all, He is the creator of all that is.
It is not for you or me to ask why.

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trofimus

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With God, I do not ask why. God said it, I believe it. After all, He is the creator of all that is.
It is not for you or me to ask why.

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1000 years are only in Revelation, which is not a literal genre at all, so... yes, God said that but if you believe it must be literal, this belief should have some internal logical consistency, imho... but ok, I will not ask you further.
 
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1000 years are only in Revelation, which is not a literal genre at all, so... yes, God said that but if you believe it must be literal, this belief should have some internal logical consistency, imho... but ok, I will not ask you further.
I believe it is a literal 1000 years.
Why do you question it? What is your basis for questioning the Word?
 

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1. What is required for Israel to be restored?

"Authority" over Jerusalem, Lk 21:20-24

2. Has that requirement of prophecy been fulfilled?

This is the prophetic question of our time.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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1. What is required for Israel to be restored?

"Authority" over Jerusalem, Lk 21:20-24

2. Has that requirement of prophecy been fulfilled?

This is the prophetic question of our time.

what is required for isreal to be restored.


repentance of the nation

Lev 26:
[SUP]40 [/SUP]‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
[SUP]41 [/SUP]and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
[SUP]42 [/SUP]then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember;
I will remember the land.
 
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kaylagrl

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Church is the real Israel and Christian is the real Jew and the son of Abraham.
There is no biblical need to wait for unbelieving Jews to be massively converted to Christianity in the last days, imho.
Romans-- I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[SUP]a[/SUP] ? 4And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[SUP]b[/SUP] 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.7What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8as it is written:God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[SUP]c

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11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!


13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own peopleto envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way[SUP]e[/SUP] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27And this is[SUP]f[/SUP] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.[SUP]g

[/SUP]28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[SUP]h[/SUP] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.




 

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Brother eternally-grateful,

When we are looking for the event that you described as "repentance of the nation", what should we be looking for?

Would that be every single person,or 90 %, etc., have to accept Jesus as the Messiah, become a Christian?

Would Israel's government have to acknowledge Jesus?

I've heard that there a some people who have accepted Jesus.

What do you think?

Brother John
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Brother eternally-grateful,

When we are looking for the event that you described as "repentance of the nation", what should we be looking for?

Would that be every single person,or 90 %, etc., have to accept Jesus as the Messiah, become a Christian?

Would Israel's government have to acknowledge Jesus?

I've heard that there a some people who have accepted Jesus.

What do you think?

Brother John
we should be looking for what God said in Lev 26. and other things he promised the nation starting in genesis.

When will we know it happened?

Isreal will be back in her and, and living in peace. And the whole world will know that the god of Isreal is the God of the world. and the world will be blessed by it.

as promised in the beginning over 4000 years ago. That promise still stands.

As we can see. Isreal is not in peace. and not even restored. it has a pagan temple on the original temple mount, It has not happened yet. we can be assured of that.
 
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Brother eternally-grateful,

When we are looking for the event that you described as "repentance of the nation", what should we be looking for?

Would that be every single person,or 90 %, etc., have to accept Jesus as the Messiah, become a Christian?

Would Israel's government have to acknowledge Jesus?

I've heard that there a some people who have accepted Jesus.

What do you think?

Brother John
Israel's government will be Jesus setting on David's throne ruling the world.
 

trofimus

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I believe it is a literal 1000 years.
Why do you question it? What is your basis for questioning the Word?
You must know what book you are reading and what is the genre of the book. Revelation is full of images you certainly dont take as literal prophecies (or do you really believe that some women will ride on beast or that some beast will have 7 heads and statue talking etc?).
The 1000 years of bounded satan is also from this book and genre.

Instead of answering me why do you accept this one point literally and what would be the goal of such long time event, you try to silent me by "do not question God!" fanatism, failing to distinguish between questioning God and questioning one specific interpretation of verse.
 

trofimus

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Romans-- I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[SUP]a[/SUP] ? 4And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[SUP]b[/SUP] 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.7What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8as it is written:God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[SUP]c

11-[/SUP]
11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!


13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own peopleto envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way[SUP]e[/SUP] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27And this is[SUP]f[/SUP] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.[SUP]g

[/SUP]28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[SUP]h[/SUP] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.




What are you trying to say? There is nothing in this passage to support this view.
 
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kaylagrl

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What are you trying to say? There is nothing in this passage to support this view.

The restoration of Israel?! How can you not read that and understand it supports the view of the restoration of the Jews?!? You need to read it again.
 

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When I look at Lk 21:20-24, I see that it talks about the "times of the gentiles".

70 ad- 1967?, ????,

Can we add more requirements for fulfillment to this passage than what is stated?

Israel's military controls everywhere in Jerusalem, they have very "tight" security there.

About the Temple Mt., Israel's military controls that also.

Aren't there lot's of other "non-Israelite" places of worship?
Are you expecting that they will all have to be torn down also?

Will every single person in Israel who lives there be required to accept Jesus?
What about servants, construction workers, contractors, business owners, investors, retired folk?

Jesus "physically" ruling from Jerusalem, is not required to fulfill this part of the prophecy, as I see it.

As far as I can tell Lk 21:20-24, military control of Jerusalem is all that is necessary to end the times of the gentiles.
 
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When I look at Lk 21:20-24, I see that it talks about the "times of the gentiles".

70 ad- 1967?, ????,

Can we add more requirements for fulfillment to this passage than what is stated?

Israel's military controls everywhere in Jerusalem, they have very "tight" security there.

About the Temple Mt., Israel's military controls that also.

Aren't there lot's of other "non-Israelite" places of worship?
Are you expecting that they will all have to be torn down also?

Will every single person in Israel who lives there be required to accept Jesus?
What about servants, construction workers, contractors, business owners, investors, retired folk?

Jesus "physically" ruling from Jerusalem, is not required to fulfill this part of the prophecy, as I see it.

As far as I can tell Lk 21:20-24, military control of Jerusalem is all that is necessary to end the times of the gentiles.
Depends if your talking about the rapture or the second coming, unless you fall for the post trib. The city of Jerusalem is already divided into thirds, One part gentile, one part Muslim, and one part Jew.