Indignant when entering heaven?

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Do you think people will be indignant when they first enter heaven?

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-StatenJM-

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Dear CC Community,

I was reading the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard (Matthew 20:1-16). And I was thinking, if this was a picture of what the kingdom of heaven is like do you think that there will be many that are quite indignant when the enter heaven for the first time? Just a thought, what do you think.

Sincerely
StatenJM
 
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-StatenJM-

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Alright I have a few more questions regarding this parable:

1. Is it talking about people on earth entering heaven OR is it about the way life will be like in heaven?
For example: 1 wealthy man having a fairly few toils in his life and 1 poor man with man struggles and pains both believe in christ and make it to heaven OR Is the parable like in heaven with our new bodies we will learn to live where some will do less and some will do more and all will get the same thing.

2. This question has no relevance if it is the first example of question one, but here it is: In this communist utopia where Christ is the dictator and all will be well because we will all be thrift, honest, truthful, assiduous, and God-fearing people, is this what heaven will be like?
 
VW

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not once they see jesus with their own eyes.
 
KayCee

KayCee

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ProudLibertarian said:
Hey, Ill be happy as long as I don't go to the other place. :p
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Hi Proud Libertarian,

Yes, I agree with you. Getting there is the important thing;

Heaven is the goal...I'll take it any way I can get it. No es problemo. Nothing at all to be indignant about.

But I gotta admit that when I first read Matthew 20:1-16, I did so through jaundiced eyes: I kinda empathized with those vineyard laborers who worked longer hours for the same wages as the newly-hired. In other words, everyone finishes in a dead heat.

Then, I looked at it from the theologian's point of view: No matter how long each of the workers worked, they all received a full day's wage. Similarly, the thief on the cross will enjoy the full blessings of heaven alongside those who have labored their whole lives for Christ. Such is the grace of God.

I mean, after all, this is a classic case where the usual management-labor laws do not apply.

KayCee
 
pickles

pickles

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All I know is that when Im having to do a huge work or chore, that I am glad to see more hands no matter when they come to help.
As for pay? Often the hardest work is at the end because often the ones that have been there all day are tired, and fresh workers are needed to finish.
God Our Father does what pleases him, and he is the one we can trust to know what he is doing.
I would have no one else judge me than Our Lord God, you can trust him.
Smiles and God bless, pickles
 
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lighthousejohn

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-StatenJM- said:
Dear CC Community,

I was reading the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard (Matthew 20:1-16). And I was thinking, if this was a picture of what the kingdom of heaven is like do you think that there will be many that are quite indignant when the enter heaven for the first time? Just a thought, what do you think.

Sincerely
StatenJM
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In God's economy, He alone is responsible for determining the "wages" of His laborers. He guarantees eternal life to all who call on the name of the Lord. He determines the sincerity and truth of that call. Jesus said that not everone that says "Lord, Lord!" will enter the kingdom of heaven. So the important thing for us as believers is "Are we sincere in our faith?" A little self examination might be in order for all of us.
 
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Pete_Martinez

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It's clearly talking about grace. There are those who will not do as much as others but all who labor will be allowed into the kingdom. Compare that parable to this one.
Luk 19:12 He said therefore, "A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return.
Luk 19:13 Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten minas, and said to them, 'Engage in business until I come.'
Luk 19:14 But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, 'We do not want this man to reign over us.'
Luk 19:15 When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by doing business.
Luk 19:16 The first came before him, saying, 'Lord, your mina has made ten minas more.'
Luk 19:17 And he said to him, 'Well done, good servant! Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.'
Luk 19:18 And the second came, saying, 'Lord, your mina has made five minas.'
Luk 19:19 And he said to him, 'And you are to be over five cities.'
Luk 19:20 Then another came, saying, 'Lord, here is your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief;
Luk 19:21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.'
Luk 19:22 He said to him, 'I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow?
Luk 19:23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?'
Luk 19:24 And he said to those who stood by, 'Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.'
Luk 19:25 And they said to him, 'Lord, he has ten minas!'
Luk 19:26 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
Luk 19:27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.'"
 
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Pete_Martinez

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So clearly there are rewards associated to serving, but as far as salvation goes we all get the same share.
 
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So clearly there are rewards associated to serving, but as far as salvation goes we all get the same share.
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I believe so. But sometimes "rewards" is also used to refer to eternal life or eternal punishment ( a "reward" for evil). If a Christian loses his or her reward (singular, not plural), they are losing the gift of eternal life. Eternal life is often referred to as a reward. And it is a reward, of living a life keeping the faith and finishing the race.
 
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1still_waters

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Eternity is a LONG time, might want a crown or two to help pass the time;) ...Said tongue in cheek of course.
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

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There will be a saint of the month award given to the most saintly saint in heaven.
 
resurrection33

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John and Bill each get up early in the morning to look for a job. John finds a job right off. Bill doesn’t find one until late in the day, and it happens to be with the same employer as John’s. They both get paid the same amount of money.

The parable, it would seem to me, simply points out that both John and Bill have been treated fairly.
 
KayCee

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1still_waters said:
Eternity is a LONG time, might want a crown or two to help pass the time;) ...Said tongue in cheek of course.
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Hi 1still_waters,
The concept of eternity has been a matter of concern to many prominent people:

 “Eternity is very long especially at the end.”~ Woody Allen on Eternity
“Come again? How long?!?”~ Prometheus on eternity
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“Apparently the ending sucks.”~ Jonathan Ross on Film 2006
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“Are we there yet?”~ Oscar Wilde on The road to eternity
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Eternity can be described by many terms such as forever, everlasting, unending, bloody long, or infinite time. In symbology, eternity is often portrayed by a snake eating its own tail, presumably because it's just as good an image for such a mindboggling concept as a green penguin reciting Shakespeare.

Thank you, 1still_waters, for bringing up the topic; I haven't given much thought to it, but I think I will as soon as I find the time.

KayCee
 
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