Worldly Sorrow

[Sirk]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is a subject that is important to me. I was raised with so much guilt and shame. My value was inextricably linked to my behavior. My character was assaulted if I made a mistake. Out of that, I became an adult that lived in shame and that felt beneath others. It took me until I was...well yesterday to get well and heal from that. Lol.

What are other ways us flawed humans attempt to force those around us into a worldly regret and shame? Do we do it to coworkers or underlings....spouses and children, parents and friends? Does anyone else care about his subject? Lol

2 Corinthians 7:10 [/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.[/FONT]

For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There's no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.

For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It took me years to get over that kind of guilt. When I finally realized what was going on, I got very, very angry. That anger channeled in the right way helped me to do what it took to become whole. It was very, very painful.

 

[Persuaded]

This is a subject that is important to me. I was raised with so much guilt and shame. My value was inextricably linked to my behavior. My character was assaulted if I made a mistake. Out of that, I became an adult that lived in shame and that felt beneath others. It took me until I was...well yesterday to get well and heal from that. Lol.

What are other ways us flawed humans attempt to force those around us into a worldly regret and shame? Do we do it to coworkers or underlings....spouses and children, parents and friends? Does anyone else care about his subject? Lol

2 Corinthians 7:10

Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There's no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.

For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

It seems that many want to judge others based on their own values. If you do not live up to what they see as good and acceptable they try to make you out to be the bad guy. They shame you and want you to feel shame and judge yourself as less than they are. I even see that on this forum from some. Maybe I am gulity from time to time.
If we are saved, we are a son of God. We should live as sons of God. We should seek to know what our Father would have us to do and try with all our being to do His will. What my Father has for me to do may be very different from what He has for you to do. My concern is about me and the Father, not you and the Father.
What our Father does through you may bring you fame and riches while what He does through me may make be poor and unknown. Does that make me less than you? NO, that is just God's plan.
I was taught by my grandfather it is not what we accomplish but the effort we put into it.
Do your best, thank God for the opportunity, and move on.

Be satisfied in your own heart that you have done your best and ignore what others say.
Let God judge. Enjoy His love and fellowship. NEVER allow other to take that from you.

 

[Grandpa]

I think everyone with children has done this to their children, to some extent.

As some view their children as extensions of themselves they try to make them into what they view themselves to be. When the child can't live up to it, then shame and guilt is inevitable.

When someone you really look up to is disappointed in you you can't help but feel a little shame.

Parents shape their children. Parents are not perfect and neither are their children. Everybody is messed up. Its funny that I thought I was the only one that was messed up until I came to Christ. Then I found out that everyone has issues. Some of them even bigger than mine...

 

[Sirk]

In regards to children I believe it to be inflicting punishment vs discipline and it is about you and attempting to make yourself feel better. In regards to peer or family relationships it is inflicting punishment in an attempt to make yourself feel better and the person to take on the pain that you feel. Either way it's about you and not being able to process and express your own pain in a healthy way.

 

[azlightsout]

We cannot change the Past we can only Change the future -- and educate the young kids of today ==== GOD IS GOOD PRAISE HIM

 

[DP]

This is a subject that is important to me. I was raised with so much guilt and shame. My value was inextricably linked to my behavior. My character was assaulted if I made a mistake. Out of that, I became an adult that lived in shame and that felt beneath others. It took me until I was...well yesterday to get well and heal from that. Lol.

What are other ways us flawed humans attempt to force those around us into a worldly regret and shame? Do we do it to coworkers or underlings....spouses and children, parents and friends? Does anyone else care about his subject? Lol

2 Corinthians 7:10

Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There's no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.

For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

I like how The Living Bible paraphrases Paul's idea...

2 Cor 7:9-10
10 For God sometimes uses sorrow in our lives to help us turn away from sin and seek eternal life. We should never regret His sending it. But the sorrow of the man who is not a Christian is not the sorrow of true repentance and does not prevent eternal death.
TLB

Basically, those without Christ that sorrow do so not unto repentance, because being without The Father and The Son there is no one to repent to for their sins to be forgiven.

 

[oldethennew]

change is the hardest thing that is required of us, some life-long battles, if you will...
and the desire and ability to change can only be instilled in us by our Creator..,for this world
is a world of bondage...we are born into it and cannot escape it without our Saviour's intervention...

all of our beginnings start in bondage and until that blessed day when our Saviour calls us out of the world
we will serve the powers of darkness....the battles begin and will eventually end through our purging...

we have to deal with the responsibility of our own sins, what's been put-on us by others and the
myriad forms of abuse, which is endless....only by the grace of God have we been given a way of escape...
we do everything that we can and then Jesus will finish His work in us day-by-day...

but oh the 'over-comings', they are the ways and means that make us strong and able to love and live
in and for Him...

 

[Sirk]

change is the hardest thing that is required of us, some life-long battles, if you will...
and the desire and ability to change can only be instilled in us by our Creator..,for this world
is a world of bondage...we are born into it and cannot escape it without our Saviour's intervention...

all of our beginnings start in bondage and until that blessed day when our Saviour calls us out of the world
we will serve the powers of darkness....the battles begin and will eventually end through our purging...

we have to deal with the responsibility of our own sins, what's been put-on us by others and the
myriad forms of abuse, which is endless....only by the grace of God have we been given a way of escape...
we do everything that we can and then Jesus will finish His work in us day-by-day...

but oh the 'over-comings', they are the ways and means that make us strong and able to love and live
in and for Him...

I hope it doesn't sound like I leave Jesus out of the process. Because after all in the end, it is about relationship with Him. We can't forget to examine ourselves in light of His word and make the necessary adjustments as they are revealed to us. And my evperience is that I fall back into old habits if I don't diligently put into practice character traits that line up with the word and the example Jesus set.