What do you need for salvation again?

[Depleted]

I'm reading another thread on salvation, (and, no, Miri, I'm not going to mention your poll at all ), and this salvation issues is getting complexed again. So what do we need to be saved?

So far, I'm hearing -- believing a whole lot, faith a whole lot, going back to..., understanding, and what else is there?

Feel free to add to the list. It really is getting quite complicated for me and I have the memory of a sieve.

All this time I thought it was Jesus. And Jesus alone. He is the author and the finisher, but apparently I'm wrong, so how many ways to God are there again? And how much did I just become responsible for my own salvation?

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree...I think we need a Savior to save us. Obviously we can't save ourselves...hence the whole meaning of the term "to be saved" I say it's is Jesus and Jesus alone. He supplies it all. He is the Author and Finisher of faith.

 

[trofimus]

I'm reading another thread on salvation, (and, no, Miri, I'm not going to mention your poll at all ), and this salvation issues is getting complexed again. So what do we need to be saved?

So far, I'm hearing -- believing a whole lot, faith a whole lot, going back to..., understanding, and what else is there?

Feel free to add to the list. It really is getting quite complicated for me and I have the memory of a sieve.

All this time I thought it was Jesus. And Jesus alone. He is the author and the finisher, but apparently I'm wrong, so how many ways to God are there again? And how much did I just become responsible for my own salvation?

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 10:9

Its good to return to this verse when things start to get complicated.

 

[Depleted]

I'm reading another thread on salvation, (and, no, Miri, I'm not going to mention your poll at all ), and this salvation issues is getting complexed again. So what do we need to be saved?

So far, I'm hearing -- believing a whole lot, faith a whole lot, going back to..., understanding, and what else is there?

Feel free to add to the list. It really is getting quite complicated for me and I have the memory of a sieve.

All this time I thought it was Jesus. And Jesus alone. He is the author and the finisher, but apparently I'm wrong, so how many ways to God are there again? And how much did I just become responsible for my own salvation?

Oops. I missed one. We're also supposed to hold on.

 

[Depleted]

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 10:9

Its good to return to this verse when things start to get complicated.

Yay! More effort on my part! "Declaring" added to the list of stuff I have to do.

So Jesus really is just a minor player in my own salvation?

 

[trofimus]

Yay! More effort on my part! "Declaring" added to the list of stuff I have to do.

So Jesus really is just a minor player in my own salvation?

Not sure what you mean. Romans 10:9 is all about Jesus.

 

[trofimus]

Yay! More effort on my part! "Declaring" added to the list of stuff I have to do.

So Jesus really is just a minor player in my own salvation?

And I think you read it wrong. If Paul would say "You need to declare and believe in heart to be saved", you could add this to the list.

But he said if you do this two things you are saved. So you dont need any other list, this is complete.

 

[PurerInHeart]

We must obey God. Our obedience does not earn our salvation, but God will only save us if we obey. We need to be born again (baptism), partake of the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week in the assembly of the saints, feed of His word, grow in Christ, and remain faithful till the end.

 

[hornetguy]

We must obey God. Our obedience does not earn our salvation, but God will only save us if we obey. We need to be born again (baptism), partake of the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week in the assembly of the saints, feed of His word, grow in Christ, and remain faithful till the end.

I grew up with the hear, believe, repent, confess, and be baptized.

I don't believe there's any scripture that says we have to partake in communion every Sunday. I DO that, but I don't think there is any commandment as to when and how often. There is an example of Jesus doing it on the first day of the week, then historians tell us that 1st cent churches followed that pattern, but I am not convinced it's the only time to do it.

 

[hornetguy]

And I think you read it wrong. If Paul would say "You need to declare and believe in heart to be saved", you could add this to the list.

But he said if you do this two things you are saved. So you dont need any other list, this is complete.

there is danger in taking one verse, and basing your whole belief system on that....

otherwise, all you have to do is repent, and be baptized. Acts 2:38

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Romans 10:9,10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

In vs 9, the word "confess" is the Greek word homologēsēs, from the root word homologéō. It means "to speak the same thing, agree with".

Rom 10:17 tells us faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Someone spoke the Word of God to me concerning the need I had in my life for the Lord Jesus Christ; that God had raised Jesus Christ from the dead.

I heard the Word of God. I agreed with what I heard from the Word of God and I confessed Jesus Christ is Lord in my life.

At the same I believed in my heart that God raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead.

All was done within me by God as it is God Who increases His Word in the heart of the person who believes. He worked within my heart and I agreed (confessed) with my mouth what He said in His Word. At that moment, I believed unto righteousness and I confessed unto salvation (Rom 10:10).

 

[trofimus]

there is danger in taking one verse, and basing your whole belief system on that....

otherwise, all you have to do is repent, and be baptized. Acts 2:38

Both can be (and is) true ;-)

If you change your mind and get baptized, you are saved. If you declare Jesus is Lord and believe in his resurrection, you are saved, too.

 

[Depleted]

Not sure what you mean. Romans 10:9 is all about Jesus.

Not when you pull it out of context and require bolding to prove the point it's not. It's all about YOU declaring and YOU believing. Granted, in context, it's not that, but you avoided context to make it become our doing.

Poor Paul! Over nine chapters of building this up and showing God at work in all that happens, just to be undone by one pull-apart. (The "we can't do it no matter what" part is covered in the first few chapters.)

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Poor Paul! Over nine chapters of building this up and showing God at work in all that happens, just to be undone by one pull-apart. (The "we can't do it no matter what" part is covered in the first few chapters.)

Abraham believed and it was counted to him for righteousness:

Romans 4:

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

 

[Depleted]

We must obey God. Our obedience does not earn our salvation, but God will only save us if we obey. We need to be born again (baptism), partake of the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week in the assembly of the saints, feed of His word, grow in Christ, and remain faithful till the end.

Oh goodie! We must obey. Well, that one kills off salvation all together. Do you know anyone who obeyed right?

And, oh joy! Even after obeying, there is still more -- baptism, partaking just right, assembly, and... who feeds? Us? God? Someone else all together? Growing? Ooo, baby! I'm a goner. I couldn't even stay my original height, but now I need to grow spiritually? Yup. All is lost. And remaining faithful? Wow! Why did God keep talking about the adultery of his people if it is as easy as "remain faithful?"

Congrats! I think you have the biggest list I've ever seen. What's God doing? Sitting back and laughing at us, knowing no one has a chance of ever saving themselves?

 

[PennEd]

there is danger in taking one verse, and basing your whole belief system on that....

otherwise, all you have to do is repent, and be baptized. Acts 2:38

4 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[b] have eternal life.

Let's see the analogy Jesus was making:

[h=3]The Bronze Serpent[/h]4 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. 5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” 6 So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.
7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you; pray to theLord that He take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
8 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

The people admitted their sin, asked for a remedy, believed That ALL they had to do was look at the Bronze serpent. If they believed AND looked they LIVED.

Is it possible some said "that's silly, I'm not going to believe ALL I have to do is look at that thing"? Then Died! Scripture doesn't record if any rejected this cure. Probably because their death was imminent. If only we could all see that our death is imminent (immediate), and believe in Jesus!

 

[Depleted]

I grew up with the hear, believe, repent, confess, and be baptized.

I don't believe there's any scripture that says we have to partake in communion every Sunday. I DO that, but I don't think there is any commandment as to when and how often. There is an example of Jesus doing it on the first day of the week, then historians tell us that 1st cent churches followed that pattern, but I am not convinced it's the only time to do it.

Side question. (As in unrelated to what I asked, but found this interesting.) Where did Jesus have communion on the first day of the week? I thought we were supposed to be resting on the seventh day anyway.

 

[Depleted]

Romans 10:9,10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

In vs 9, the word "confess" is the Greek word homologēsēs, from the root word homologéō. It means "to speak the same thing, agree with".

Rom 10:17 tells us faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Someone spoke the Word of God to me concerning the need I had in my life for the Lord Jesus Christ; that God had raised Jesus Christ from the dead.

I heard the Word of God. I agreed with what I heard from the Word of God and I confessed Jesus Christ is Lord in my life.

At the same I believed in my heart that God raised the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead.

All was done within me by God as it is God Who increases His Word in the heart of the person who believes. He worked within my heart and I agreed (confessed) with my mouth what He said in His Word. At that moment, I believed unto righteousness and I confessed unto salvation (Rom 10:10).

Is confess equal to declare? I'm just seeing if this is another thing we have to do to be saved, or if it's the same thing said differently.

Sure is getting to be quite the long list though.

 

[Grace777x70]

We must obey God. Our obedience does not earn our salvation, but God will only save us if we obey. We need to be born again (baptism), partake of the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week in the assembly of the saints, feed of His word, grow in Christ, and remain faithful till the end.

There are some good elements that are descriptive of a believer but some in there are just plain "baloney"..like these below

"Our obedience does not earn our salvation, but God will only save us if we obey"..this makes no sense - in truth we obey Christ by believing in what He did on the cross. This is called "obedience to the faith"

"We need to be born again (baptism)," - by this you mean "water baptism " this is wrong too..we are baptized into Christ when we believe - water baptism is a representation of what happened to us when we believed

"partake of the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week in the assembly of the saints," - just pure religious nonsense - we get to partake of the Lord's supper in remembrance of what He did.

"and remain faithful till the end" - what does that mean?..miss to partake of the Lord's supper the last week before you die - you go to hell?

"repent of sin" - we don't repent of sin to get saved. NO one ever got saved because they repented of sin. Christians stopping sinning is a by-product of being saved already.

Sorry to burst your bubble but this stuff is not the gospel of the grace of Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

Repentance always comes before believing . Repentance means in the Greek "to change your mind - change the way you think ". Stop relying on yourself and believe the gospel of what Christ has already done for you.

Our evangelical religion has changed the whole meaning of the word and actually made things backwards from scripture.

Here's what Jesus said about repenting - repent first - then believe

Mark 1:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

Here is Peter talking.

Acts 3:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Everyone that has believed the gospel when it was preached to them has already repented. Now there are fruits of repentance but they are a by-product of having already been saved.