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    Despite years of Bible study and talking to many people, I have not yet had anyone show me a verse that clearly says "once saved, always saved?" Is there such a verse in the Bible, or is the doctrine of eternal security a conclusion from study of Scriptural themes and principles?

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    Well, there's a novel theme for a thread.

    Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.
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    What do you mean: "land mines ahead"?

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    1 Corinthians 1:30 - But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

    The problem is, people keep trying to make salvation about themselves. It isn't. It is through faith in the person of Jesus Christ.
    Romans 5:18-19
    Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

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    I Cor. 1:30 - Yes, Jesus gives all these things to the Christian believing in him: but I don't see the verse saying anything that "once a person is saved he is always saved"??

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    Rom 5:18,19: Does this say - "once saved, always saved"? I don't see it ????

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    Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

    Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    God loves us. Christ died for us. Any reason to believe that God will ever cease loving us?

    Salvation is forever. Sanctification is a life long enterprise that is only complete when we die or are gathered into the Lord presence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester View Post
    Despite years of Bible study and talking to many people, I have not yet had anyone show me a verse that clearly says "once saved, always saved?" Is there such a verse in the Bible, or is the doctrine of eternal security a conclusion from study of Scriptural themes and principles?
    I've yet to see the verse that states God takes away salvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester View Post
    What do you mean: "land mines ahead"?
    If you had been on this forum for any length of time before posting, you'd know what I meant

    Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.
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    Join site. Check. Start 1st thread moments after joining on most contentious issue. Check. Revel in creating dissension. Check.


    Into ignore bin.CHECK!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester View Post
    Despite years of Bible study and talking to many people, I have not yet had anyone show me a verse that clearly says "once saved, always saved?" Is there such a verse in the Bible, or is the doctrine of eternal security a conclusion from study of Scriptural themes and principles?
    Eph 2:8~~New American Standard Bible
    For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;


    The Believer's Study Bible writes that...
    The full sense of the expression “you have been saved” is difficult to capture in English. The Greek perfect tense emphasizes action initiated in the past, the effects of which continue into the present and beyond. Therefore, salvation has a moment of initiation in the past, but the results of that primary experience continue (Ed: See Three Tenses of Salvation). This is another evidence of the permanence of our salvation, a doctrine which is called the “eternal security of the believer.” (Criswell, W A. Believer's Study Bible: New King James Version. 1991. Thomas Nelson)
    Commenting on the significance of the tense of the two verbs "been" (present tense) and "saved" (perfect tense) Kenneth Wuest writes...
    Not content with the details offered by the perfect tense, Paul uses a periphrastic construction (Ed note: a periphrasis is the use of a longer phrasing in place of a possible shorter form of expression = a roundabout way of expressing something. In Greek it specifically means the use of a verb in any tense but aorist in combination with the verb eimi = to be as the auxiliary verb) consisting of the participle in the perfect tense and the verb of being in the present tense. The perfect tense speaks of the existence of finished results in present time, whereas Paul wanted to express persistence of finished results through present time. So he borrows the durative aspect of the present tense verb to give persistence to the existing results. The Expanded Translation reads: “By the grace have you been saved completely with the result that you are in a state of salvation which persists through present time.” Present time in this instance is always the time at which the reader reads his statement. The security of the believer could not have been expressed in stronger terms. (Wuest, Kenneth - The Practical Use of the Greek New Testament - Part II: The Eloquence of Greek Tenses and Moods - Bibliotheca Sacra: A quarterly published by Dallas Theological Seminary. Volume 117. Issue 466. Page 142) (Theological Journal Subscription info) (List of 22 journals - 500 yrs of articles searchable by topic or verse! Incredible Online Resource!)

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    Note I didn't ask for a verse that says that God takes away salvation.

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    Dear Mr. PennEd: I am not trying to be contentious: I am just wondering if there is a verse that states "once saved always saved or if the belief is a result of studying Scriptural principles
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    Powerful verses I agree - God's love is great and unending - but do they say "once saved always saved?"

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    That's because it's not true. You have to continue in the gift of salvation. Heb 6, 10..ez 18.. clearly say it's possible to loose if you go back to sin after being made right..

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    1 Corinthians 1:30 shows that salvation is in Christ. Everything required for salvation is "in Him" When we believe the gospel, we are placed "in Christ" and all of the components necessary for salvation become ours "in Him". We live because He lives. We don't die unless He does. The words you are asking for are not there, the truth of those words is.
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    Romans 5:18-19
    Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

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    Eph. 2:8 I have studied Greek and taught Greek for 20 years, and I have used Wuest's ideas on this verse many times: But I don't see the verse stating that "once a person is saved, it is impossible for them to lose their salvation"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chester View Post
    Powerful verses I agree - God's love is great and unending - but do they say "once saved always saved?"
    Eph 2:8 does. Arguably, in the most forceful way too. And Eph 2:5 has "have been saved" in the same forceful construct as 2:8. So Paul is pounding it home. Learn it, live it.

    If we don't have our eternal security down pat.............we are still a babe, and in need for the milk once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr8grace View Post
    Eph 2:8~~New American Standard Bible
    For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;


    The Believer's Study Bible writes that...
    The full sense of the expression “you have been saved” is difficult to capture in English. The Greek perfect tense emphasizes action initiated in the past, the effects of which continue into the present and beyond. Therefore, salvation has a moment of initiation in the past, but the results of that primary experience continue (Ed: See Three Tenses of Salvation). This is another evidence of the permanence of our salvation, a doctrine which is called the “eternal security of the believer.” (Criswell, W A. Believer's Study Bible: New King James Version. 1991. Thomas Nelson)
    Commenting on the significance of the tense of the two verbs "been" (present tense) and "saved" (perfect tense) Kenneth Wuest writes...
    Not content with the details offered by the perfect tense, Paul uses a periphrastic construction (Ed note: a periphrasis is the use of a longer phrasing in place of a possible shorter form of expression = a roundabout way of expressing something. In Greek it specifically means the use of a verb in any tense but aorist in combination with the verb eimi = to be as the auxiliary verb) consisting of the participle in the perfect tense and the verb of being in the present tense. The perfect tense speaks of the existence of finished results in present time, whereas Paul wanted to express persistence of finished results through present time. So he borrows the durative aspect of the present tense verb to give persistence to the existing results. The Expanded Translation reads: “By the grace have you been saved completely with the result that you are in a state of salvation which persists through present time.” Present time in this instance is always the time at which the reader reads his statement. The security of the believer could not have been expressed in stronger terms. (Wuest, Kenneth - The Practical Use of the Greek New Testament - Part II: The Eloquence of Greek Tenses and Moods - Bibliotheca Sacra: A quarterly published by Dallas Theological Seminary. Volume 117. Issue 466. Page 142) (Theological Journal Subscription info) (List of 22 journals - 500 yrs of articles searchable by topic or verse! Incredible Online Resource!)
    Amen...the "perfect tense" in Greek is very descriptive. It is also used in Jesus' words " It is finished".

    Here is another one of those "perfect" uses.

    1 John 2:12 (NASB)
    12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.
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