What happens if a believer decides he hates God and does not want to go to heaven?
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I like a lot about your original answer and I agree with most of it: (Quoted below)
"God will offer grace and patience. Then he will rebuke. Then He will offer divine discipline, getting harsher and harsher if the believer stays in reversionism. And If the believer doesn't come out of it......sin unto physical death. God brings the believer home. And loss of rewards,rank,reign,crowns can be further punishment.
He will be a happy,content, tear free,sin free,jealous free shoe shiner to those who advanced in the Christian way of life. With those rewards forever on display to see what they missed out on.
All believers will enter,not all will reign with Him or inherit the Kingdom."
Wonderful answer in that God would love this person, he would tenderfully (and yet powerfully) chastise him to bring him back to himself: I agree completely with that.
So, you are right when you say that you did not say "God will ignore him"!
But I categorized your answer as (C) because you imply that God will ignore this person's pleas not to be sent to heaven.
A further question: What will happen "if" this person gets to heaven and continues swearing at God and demanding that he be sent to hell? And if this is not possible, why not?
"God will offer grace and patience. Then he will rebuke. Then He will offer divine discipline, getting harsher and harsher if the believer stays in reversionism. And If the believer doesn't come out of it......sin unto physical death. God brings the believer home. And loss of rewards,rank,reign,crowns can be further punishment.
He will be a happy,content, tear free,sin free,jealous free shoe shiner to those who advanced in the Christian way of life. With those rewards forever on display to see what they missed out on.
All believers will enter,not all will reign with Him or inherit the Kingdom."
Wonderful answer in that God would love this person, he would tenderfully (and yet powerfully) chastise him to bring him back to himself: I agree completely with that.
So, you are right when you say that you did not say "God will ignore him"!
But I categorized your answer as (C) because you imply that God will ignore this person's pleas not to be sent to heaven.
A further question: What will happen "if" this person gets to heaven and continues swearing at God and demanding that he be sent to hell? And if this is not possible, why not?
I like how you said, "for whatever crazy reason" that they'd hate God, and I thought, perhaps it would be less likely in more of a direct sense of proclaiming they hate God in words (as some might count it) but rather to love something else more. For example, Jesus said you cannot serve God and mammon, and that you would either love the one or hate the other, or hold to the one and despise the other. There was no middle ground there. But then we see Paul speaking of Demas having forsaken him having loved this present world. And yet as it relates to God both the love of money and/or the love of the world (as we are given to understand) is that such a one in that place has no love of the Father abiding in them (they love the world). And so it could be making a choice (in that way) not so much to stand up and say they actually hate God so much. Speaks of a heart of unbelief which departs from the living God it has to be "for something" I would think.
A, B, D...under protest 
Can you explain?
If (a) "he can't do this" is correct, then of course it follows that (b) "he won't do this" is also true.
So if you choose (A) at all among a list of several answers you are acknowledging this is the best answer
(A) and (D) are similar in that both deny the scenario could ever happen. (a) "he can't do it" says the believer does not have free choice to reject God while (d) says if a "believer" should do this (reject God) then he was not a believer to start with.
How can A,B,and D be correct answers?
Assuming that he was truly saved, nothing short of their conscious public denial of the resurrected Christ will 'unsave' them. Hating and badmouthing God are not denial, thus C is the correct answer - except that God won't ignore them. Even tho they are saved they will be called to account for their works, and suffer gain or loss accordingly.
Let's use some logic here. At this point I have returned and the thread is well past my first post, onto page two! There are only 5 votes so far, all for d). So that means either I voted D or I did not vote at all.
Just to make it easy for you, I voted d).
But the question is whether the person was truly saved, which if he truly walked away from he obviously he was not truly saved.
But if he truly walked away from God, then wasn't he obviously never truly saved?
So if a person truly walks away from God, then they were never truly saved, no matter their thoughts and feelings on salvation.
It really comes back to this bad piece of theology, that our thoughts, feelings desires and especially "will" save us. The Bible is clear we are justified by faith, and faith is s gift of God. We cannot lose something that was from God, and not of ourselves.
And if anyone could truly hate God, then they were never truly saved in the first place!
Just to make it easy for you, I voted d).
But the question is whether the person was truly saved, which if he truly walked away from he obviously he was not truly saved.
But if he truly walked away from God, then wasn't he obviously never truly saved?
So if a person truly walks away from God, then they were never truly saved, no matter their thoughts and feelings on salvation.
It really comes back to this bad piece of theology, that our thoughts, feelings desires and especially "will" save us. The Bible is clear we are justified by faith, and faith is s gift of God. We cannot lose something that was from God, and not of ourselves.
And if anyone could truly hate God, then they were never truly saved in the first place!
An interesting and I must say clear response!
I think my description of what this person did was to me a "conscious public denial of the resurrected Christ". I wonder how you would describe a "conscious public denial of the resurrected Christ"?
Are you saying such an action (a conscious public denial) would mean this person goes to hell if they die?
I think my description of what this person did was to me a "conscious public denial of the resurrected Christ". I wonder how you would describe a "conscious public denial of the resurrected Christ"?
Are you saying such an action (a conscious public denial) would mean this person goes to hell if they die?
Can I get you to think about your answers a bit?
You said in your first answer: "Because I don't believe someone who has a deep relationship with our loving God and Creator could ever just abruptly change their mind and walk away from God. Well, more than walk away -hate God!"
Why do you believe that? (By the way I pretty much would agree with the statement above)
In the second response you seem to be saying that it is impossible for a truly saved person to "truly walk away" from God.
If this is so, then you make the assumption the person I said was "truly born again" actually was not born again.
Hence you answered (D) as the best answer. OK, but what that does is makes our assurance of salvation dependent upon our works! Because if I truly do not do good works, then I have cause to doubt I was ever truly saved in the first place.
It seems to me the person who really believes in "once saved always saved" must either answer this question (a) or (c) or if answering (d) realize that the doctrine of "once saved always saved" means our assurance of salvation is based on our works.
It seems to me that responses (A) and (C) are really saying that God takes away the free choice of the Christian: If you believe that - OK - but it seems repugnant to me.
I think (B) is probably the closest to a good answer: It seems to me that God's love and grace in the life of the believer has keeping power so that he will not want to choose to deny God. The "He won't do this" may be too strong a statement, but I think it conveys the heart of God better than any of the other answers.
So your earlier response I might word like this if I wrote it: "Because I don't believe someone who has a deep relationship with our loving God and Creator would (instead of "could" as you had) ever just abruptly change their mind and walk away from God. Well, more than walk away -hate God!"
You said in your first answer: "Because I don't believe someone who has a deep relationship with our loving God and Creator could ever just abruptly change their mind and walk away from God. Well, more than walk away -hate God!"
Why do you believe that? (By the way I pretty much would agree with the statement above)
In the second response you seem to be saying that it is impossible for a truly saved person to "truly walk away" from God.
If this is so, then you make the assumption the person I said was "truly born again" actually was not born again.
Hence you answered (D) as the best answer. OK, but what that does is makes our assurance of salvation dependent upon our works! Because if I truly do not do good works, then I have cause to doubt I was ever truly saved in the first place.
It seems to me the person who really believes in "once saved always saved" must either answer this question (a) or (c) or if answering (d) realize that the doctrine of "once saved always saved" means our assurance of salvation is based on our works.
It seems to me that responses (A) and (C) are really saying that God takes away the free choice of the Christian: If you believe that - OK - but it seems repugnant to me.
I think (B) is probably the closest to a good answer: It seems to me that God's love and grace in the life of the believer has keeping power so that he will not want to choose to deny God. The "He won't do this" may be too strong a statement, but I think it conveys the heart of God better than any of the other answers.
So your earlier response I might word like this if I wrote it: "Because I don't believe someone who has a deep relationship with our loving God and Creator would (instead of "could" as you had) ever just abruptly change their mind and walk away from God. Well, more than walk away -hate God!"
