What happens if a believer decides he hates God and does not want to go to heaven?

[Chester]

Here is a scenario with 4 given possibilities: which option would you choose as the correct answer?

The "actor" in this scenario is a believer in Christ who says that he has full 100% assurance of salvation. No one who knows him (based on his faith and his actions) has any reason to doubt his salvation.

But one day this person decides he hates God: He doesn't want to go to heaven (and tells God so!): He swears at God, he curses God, he begins doing any and all kinds of unspeakable evil deeds - and he keeps on doing this for years and it gets worse and worse as time goes on.

Which option is the best?
(A) He can't do this
(B) He won't do this
(C) God will ignore him and send him to heaven anyway
(D) He could not ever have been saved (born again) in the first place

 

[Grace777x70]

This is on par with "Can God make a rock so big that He can't lift it"...the wrong questions are being asked because we do not understand salvation and the gospel message of the grace of Christ.

Can you be sick in your body and go to heaven? Yes..Can you be sick in your head and start acting like a loony toon and go to heaven too?..of course...

Why don't we start threads that lift up what Jesus did for us and how great a salvation we have in Him?

 

[hornetguy]

None of the above.

I believe that a person can decide (for whatever crazy reason) that they hate God, and all He stands for, and walk away, never looking back.

To me, that is the unforgiveable sin.... not wanting to be saved. I do not believe God will save us against our will.

 

[Angela53510]

So do you have a real life example of this hypothetical person?

Because I don't believe someone who has a deep relationship with our loving God and Creator could ever just abruptly change their mind and walk away from God. Well, more than walk away -hate God! I would think the opposite of loving God would be more that you doubted he existed, and became an atheist! Because hating God is still believing he exists, which would certainly give God room to bring the person back and welcome him like the prodigal son!

Why did they start hating God? I know I turned away from God, when my RA was at its worst for two years. But I never hated God, I knew he was real and he was right there waiting for me to turn back around and face him. Plus, God never stopped speaking to me! He just kept urging me to read the Psalms, which I finally did.

The psalms gave me great comfort, because they were about real people, not fictitious ones like in the OP!

When God saves someone, it is forever! He knows the future, and those who are his own. God is omniscient, he knows everything! Salvation is not based on our actions, thoughts or feelings. God justifies us by faith, not feelings, like hate! Salvation is about God's righteousness, imputed to us! It is never a choice or free will, one that you can just walk away from.

Nice try on your Grace only versus feelings (or would that be law?!) poll/thread!

 

[Gr8grace]

Here is a scenario with 4 given possibilities: which option would you choose as the correct answer?

The "actor" in this scenario is a believer in Christ who says that he has full 100% assurance of salvation. No one who knows him (based on his faith and his actions) has any reason to doubt his salvation.

But one day this person decides he hates God: He doesn't want to go to heaven (and tells God so!): He swears at God, he curses God, he begins doing any and all kinds of unspeakable evil deeds - and he keeps on doing this for years and it gets worse and worse as time goes on.

Which option is the best?
(A) He can't do this
(B) He won't do this
(C) God will ignore him and send him to heaven anyway
(D) He could not ever have been saved (born again) in the first place

You forgot the true answer.

God will offer grace and patience. Then he will rebuke. Then He will offer divine discipline, getting harsher and harsher if the believer stays in reversionism. And If the believer doesn't come out of it......sin unto physical death. God brings the believer home. And loss of rewards,rank,reign,crowns can be further punishment.

He will be a happy,content, tear free,sin free,jealous free shoe shiner to those who advanced in the Christian way of life. With those rewards forever on display to see what they missed out on.

All believers will enter,not all will reign with Him or inherit the Kingdom.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Ephesians 2:8-10
King James Version(KJV)

8.)For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9.)Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10.)For we are HIS workmanship, created in Christ JESUS unto good works, which GOD hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[Chester]

So would you answer the question as (A) He can't do this or as (B) He won't do this

 

[MsSuzanna]

None of the above.

I believe that a person can decide (for whatever crazy reason) that they hate God, and all He stands for, and walk away, never looking back.

To me, that is the unforgiveable sin.... not wanting to be saved. I do not believe God will save us against our will.

The unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit which would be knowingly calling the work of the Holy Spirit that of the enemy.

 

[Spherical]

There are a lot of people who Hate God, and, it shows by their refusal to believe the totality of divine truth. Even people on this topic are showing, by their vote, that these people were never Christian to begin with.

 

[Chester]

You forgot the true answer.

God will offer grace and patience. Then he will rebuke. Then He will offer divine discipline, getting harsher and harsher if the believer stays in reversionism. And If the believer doesn't come out of it......sin unto physical death. God brings the believer home. And loss of rewards,rank,reign,crowns can be further punishment.

He will be a happy,content, tear free,sin free,jealous free shoe shiner to those who advanced in the Christian way of life. With those rewards forever on display to see what they missed out on.

All believers will enter,not all will reign with Him or inherit the Kingdom.

OK? So your answer is really C?

 

[Chester]

So do you have a real life example of this hypothetical person?

Because I don't believe someone who has a deep relationship with our loving God and Creator could ever just abruptly change their mind and walk away from God. Well, more than walk away -hate God! I would think the opposite of loving God would be more that you doubted he existed, and became an atheist! Because hating God is still believing he exists, which would certainly give God room to bring the person back and welcome him like the prodigal son!

Why did they start hating God? I know I turned away from God, when my RA was at its worst for two years. But I never hated God, I knew he was real and he was right there waiting for me to turn back around and face him. Plus, God never stopped speaking to me! He just kept urging me to read the Psalms, which I finally did.

The psalms gave me great comfort, because they were about real people, not fictitious ones like in the OP!

When God saves someone, it is forever! He knows the future, and those who are his own. God is omniscient, he knows everything! Salvation is not based on our actions, thoughts or feelings. God justifies us by faith, not feelings, like hate! Salvation is about God's righteousness, imputed to us! It is never a choice or free will, one that you can just walk away from.

Nice try on your Grace only versus feelings (or would that be law?!) poll/thread!

So, would your answer be (a) He can't do it or (b) He won't do it

 

[mailmandan]

1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

 

[Gr8grace]

OK? So your answer is really C?

Come on now. that is far from God ignoring a believer who has went negative.

King James Bible
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

 

[seed_time_harvest]

So would you answer the question as (A) He can't do this or as (B) He won't do this

I voted for [D] he/she was never saved.

 

[KenAllan]

Who's Truth are you talking about Spherical? YOUR truth of the Truth from God in the Scriptures?

I agree there are TOO many False Christians who try to deceive others with their version of the truth.

So far from what i read what you believe in I see that you are not a Child of God.

 

[Depleted]

Here is a scenario with 4 given possibilities: which option would you choose as the correct answer?

The "actor" in this scenario is a believer in Christ who says that he has full 100% assurance of salvation. No one who knows him (based on his faith and his actions) has any reason to doubt his salvation.

But one day this person decides he hates God: He doesn't want to go to heaven (and tells God so!): He swears at God, he curses God, he begins doing any and all kinds of unspeakable evil deeds - and he keeps on doing this for years and it gets worse and worse as time goes on.

Which option is the best?
(A) He can't do this
(B) He won't do this
(C) God will ignore him and send him to heaven anyway
(D) He could not ever have been saved (born again) in the first place

(E) . I don't know how this turns out until the end of the person's life, and, even there, I have no idea what happens at the very end, therefore I can't tell you, so there is NO "best option" given.

 

[crossnote]

A, B, D...under protest

 

[Spherical]

Who's Truth are you talking about Spherical? YOUR truth of the Truth from God in the Scriptures?

I agree there are TOO many False Christians who try to deceive others with their version of the truth.

So far from what i read what you believe in I see that you are not a Child of God.

Do you believe Christ's revealed divine truth in its totality or do you at least not knowingly deny any of Christ's revealed divine truth?

I wear that as a badge of honor to not be considered a Christian by the likes of you. I believe Christ's revealed divine truth in it totality.

[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek. [17] For the justice of God is revealed therein, from faith unto faith, as it is written: The just man liveth by faith. [18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: [19] Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.

Once again, the scriptures are on my side.

 

[Depleted]

So do you have a real life example of this hypothetical person?

Because I don't believe someone who has a deep relationship with our loving God and Creator could ever just abruptly change their mind and walk away from God. Well, more than walk away -hate God! I would think the opposite of loving God would be more that you doubted he existed, and became an atheist! Because hating God is still believing he exists, which would certainly give God room to bring the person back and welcome him like the prodigal son!

Why did they start hating God? I know I turned away from God, when my RA was at its worst for two years. But I never hated God, I knew he was real and he was right there waiting for me to turn back around and face him. Plus, God never stopped speaking to me! He just kept urging me to read the Psalms, which I finally did.

The psalms gave me great comfort, because they were about real people, not fictitious ones like in the OP!

When God saves someone, it is forever! He knows the future, and those who are his own. God is omniscient, he knows everything! Salvation is not based on our actions, thoughts or feelings. God justifies us by faith, not feelings, like hate! Salvation is about God's righteousness, imputed to us! It is never a choice or free will, one that you can just walk away from.

Nice try on your Grace only versus feelings (or would that be law?!) poll/thread!

Same basic story here. I turned. I was so angry. God didn't turn. A book, not Psalms. God ended my temper tantrum.

 

[Depleted]

You forgot the true answer.

God will offer grace and patience. Then he will rebuke. Then He will offer divine discipline, getting harsher and harsher if the believer stays in reversionism. And If the believer doesn't come out of it......sin unto physical death. God brings the believer home. And loss of rewards,rank,reign,crowns can be further punishment.

He will be a happy,content, tear free,sin free,jealous free shoe shiner to those who advanced in the Christian way of life. With those rewards forever on display to see what they missed out on.

All believers will enter,not all will reign with Him or inherit the Kingdom.

Hm. So God gave me the false answer? How about that