Why do some Christians feel Guilty all the time?

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Maybe you have noticed? It seems to be the habit of certain perhaps well meaning, but misguided Christians that in order to make sure a person is saved, it is required to make that person feel guilty, sin stained and just about hopeless

Is this the condition of a person who is forgiven, knows they are forgiven and have joy in Christ? Or, are we dealing with a personality that derives its importance from seeming to help but in reality, puts others down in order to feel good?

Well, we won't get into the psychology of that or personality 'types'...even though we see different types in scripture, instead let's take a look at some of the harmful ways Christians tend to examine themselves or condemn others

and before I do that, let me clarify that I believe a person who declares themself to be a Christian should not continue in sin but we are all at different places and God does not lump us all together but deals with us as individuals, so it is a disservice to deal with people at a level that insures the listener that the problem is with the person and not the personS

Motivation by guilt and shame rather than grace

now there's a good one and how long does that 'conversion' last? this works by pounding the pulpit, staring at folks with narrowed eyes and engaging in a voice that does not need a sound system. Instead of teaching people their position in Christ, works are emphasized...you are not doing enough/praying enough/witnessing enough etc...well, you know, that is all hard to do if you do not even understand HOW to do it, WHY to do it (other than the guilt trip) or even WHEN

so having begun your walk by faith, are you now going to work to earn it?

understanding that the 'good works' we are to do are actually an extension of our life in Christ, is the beginning of the ability to do them

if you are being made to feel guilty because some person is proclaiming sin is the problem, remember that Christ died for your sins and coincidentally theirs as well. Remember that God is the one who determines the gifts and dispenses them by His Spirit..

a good number of people around these forums are saying, Godly sorrow results in action that causes a good and beneficial result...worldly sorrow causes condemnation and is not of God and they are speaking the truth

If you feel guilty and scared, this is not God motivating you. If you understand your position IN Christ, you know that God has not left you and He is not scaring you

Be aware that works of the flesh can and do masquerade as truth...when God calls a person to perform a task, that person has been chosen for that task...we draw people to Christ by lifting Christ up...that, is the method chosen by God

"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." John 12:32

No one can come to Christ unless the Father draws him

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44

Salvation is not a work of man and condemnation is not a work of God!



 
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Here also John speaks of how we can assure our own hearts before him

1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1 John 3:19
And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

1 John 3:20
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

1 John 3:21
Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
 

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[SUP]18 [/SUP]Dear children, let’s not merely say that we love each other; let us show the truth by our actions. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Our actions will show that we belong to the truth, so we will be confident when we stand before God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Even if we feel guilty, God is greater than our feelings, and he knows everything.
I think that it is so ingrained in us that we have to "do" enough to be considered "good enough" that even though we understand grace, there is that little niggling doubt in the very back of our mind that says "I'm not good enough"....

It appears that John understood that, and mentioned it in his letter, saying that God knows us, and knows our hearts, so we shouldn't feel guilty...


ahhhh.... the Pilgrim beat me to it.... :D
 
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Great post ember!

Guilt, condemnation and shame are not tools from God. God does not deal in these and He doesn't sub-contract them out to the devil or others influenced by him either. These 3 things are anti-Christ tactics.

Guilt is a confession that you are not forgiven.

Condemnation is a confession that your life is worthy to be judged.

Shame is the confession that what I am ashamed of is still who I am.

All 3 of these are anti-Christ beliefs.

We find our true identity in the One whom lives in us and walks with us - Christ. We are new creations in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
 
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We must define terms before we proceed.
Guilt is what we do to ourselves. Shame is what other people do to make us feel shamed.

Now that we have that out of the way:
Maybe you have noticed? It seems to be the habit of certain perhaps well meaning, but misguided Christians that in order to make sure a person is saved, it is required to make that person feel guilty, sin stained and just about hopeless
It seems to me that it this is the perception of the OP. A person can be convinced of something but that doesnt mean they can safely blame it on another person.
If a person claims to be a christian,they have the indwelling spirit to teach them in all things concerning truth and error.

Putting forth truth is not condoning or pushing works for salvation. Putting forth the whole truth should never offend another .A true christian should praise the Lord that God has sent one who has the hoopspa to shake people at the very core to reveal if their "words of faith" are biblically sound or if their words are just shallow words.

It seems to also be a perception that someone is condemning when in fact that is not the case at all. Unless a person comes right out and condemns another,it is a false assumption that they have.

God has said none have the right to condemn another.


If one has said that sin is not a problem;he is a liar!

Blessings
 
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Sadly, I doubt if she would really recognize "truth" if it snuck up behind her, and bit her.
 

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Maybe a distinction between 'feeling guilty' and 'convicted' is in order?
 

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Motivation by guilt and shame rather than grace

now there's a good one and how long does that 'conversion' last? this works by pounding the pulpit, staring at folks with narrowed eyes and engaging in a voice that does not need a sound system.


Some evangelists love to guilt trip unbelievers. This is like terrorism! Surely such Christians don't have the Holy Spirit - they just believe in God in the same way that some people believe in elves. Christians must be motivated by love - not by guilt.
 
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Great post ember!

Guilt, condemnation and shame are not tools from God. God does not deal in these and He doesn't sub-contract them out to the devil or others influenced by him either. These 3 things are anti-Christ tactics.
Really?

Exodus 20:7
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Isaiah 47:3
Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

Nahum 3:5
Behold, I am against thee, saith the Lord of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame.

John 15:22
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
 
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Here also John speaks of how we can assure our own hearts before him

1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1 John 3:19
And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

1 John 3:20
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

1 John 3:21
Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

those are great....I think I like John's contributions better than anyone elses' in the NT

he speaks of personally knowing in a way that gives confidence to the reader

thanks pilgrim
 
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Great post ember!
thank you....

We find our true identity in the One whom lives in us and walks with us - Christ. We are new creations in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness
old things are passed away...

when God first created, He looked at His creation and said it was good

the thought occurs that really, He is still doing the same...

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10

 
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Really?

Exodus 20:7
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Isaiah 47:3
Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

Nahum 3:5
Behold, I am against thee, saith the Lord of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame.

John 15:22
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

(removed)

It's as if Christ didn't come and go to the cross for us. The cross changed everything! Come out of the Old Covenant and come into the New Covenant.

Romans 8:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Romans 8:34 (NASB)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. ( Christ is not the one condemning ...I wonder who is? )

Hebrews 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."


Here is what the Lord said to us after Isaiah 53 which is Jesus going to the cross for us. This is what the Lord is speaking NOW to the believers who are in Christ.

Isaiah 54:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] "Fear not, for you will not be put to shame; And do not feel humiliated, for you will not be disgraced; But you will forget the shame of your youth, And the reproach of your widowhood you will remember no more.

Isaiah 61:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Instead of your shame you will have a double portion, And instead of humiliation they will shout for joy over their portion. Therefore they will possess a double portion in their land, Everlasting joy will be theirs.


I really encourage you to study out the New Covenant because the cross of Jesus changed everything!
 
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there is a verse of scripture I particularly like:

A Song of degrees of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

Psalm 133:1 or as the NIV puts it:

A song of ascents. Of David. How good and pleasant it is when God's people live together in unity!

and this one too A Song of degrees of David. I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD.
Psalm 122:1



so what is a song of degrees or ascents?

they are Psalms 120-134...not all written by David (SOURCE)

The city of Jerusalem is situated on a high hill. Jews traveling to Jerusalem for one of the three main annual Jewish festivals traditionally sang these songs on the “ascent” or the uphill road to the city. According to some traditions, the Jewish priests also sang some of these Songs of Ascent as they walked up the steps to the temple in Jerusalem.

The theme of each Song of Ascent offers much encouragement for those who seek to worship God today:

Psalm 120: God’s presence during distress
Psalm 121: Joyful praise to the Lord
Psalm 122: Prayer for Jerusalem
Psalm 123: Patience for God’s mercy
Psalm 124: Help comes from the Lord
Psalm 125: Prayer for God’s blessing upon His people
Psalm 126: The Lord has done great things
Psalm 127: God’s blessing on man’s efforts
Psalm 128: Joy for those who follow God’s ways
Psalm 129: A cry for help to the Lord
Psalm 130: A prayer of repentance
Psalm 131: Surrender as a child to the Lord
Psalm 132: God’s sovereign plan for His people
Psalm 133: Praise of brotherly fellowship and unity
Psalm 134: Praise to God in His temple

as we journey on in this life, it's kind of like a Psalm of ascents

so don't let yourself be dragged down by those who for some reason just cannot seem to bring themselves to look up...look up in your journey and sing to the Lord for He is worthy to be praised
 
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...looks like someone is using trying to use guilt, shame and condemnation on the believer in Christ.

Nope, just showing by the words of God that you do not know what it is you are talking about. (again) :)
 

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Sadly, I doubt if she would really recognize "truth" if it snuck up behind her, and bit her.
That is simply unkind. It has no merit and is certainly unnecessary.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Maybe you have noticed? It seems to be the habit of certain perhaps well meaning, but misguided Christians that in order to make sure a person is saved, it is required to make that person feel guilty, sin stained and just about hopeless

Is this the condition of a person who is forgiven, knows they are forgiven and have joy in Christ? Or, are we dealing with a personality that derives its importance from seeming to help but in reality, puts others down in order to feel good?

Well, we won't get into the psychology of that or personality 'types'...even though we see different types in scripture, instead let's take a look at some of the harmful ways Christians tend to examine themselves or condemn others

and before I do that, let me clarify that I believe a person who declares themself to be a Christian should not continue in sin but we are all at different places and God does not lump us all together but deals with us as individuals, so it is a disservice to deal with people at a level that insures the listener that the problem is with the person and not the personS

Motivation by guilt and shame rather than grace

now there's a good one and how long does that 'conversion' last? this works by pounding the pulpit, staring at folks with narrowed eyes and engaging in a voice that does not need a sound system. Instead of teaching people their position in Christ, works are emphasized...you are not doing enough/praying enough/witnessing enough etc...well, you know, that is all hard to do if you do not even understand HOW to do it, WHY to do it (other than the guilt trip) or even WHEN

so having begun your walk by faith, are you now going to work to earn it?

understanding that the 'good works' we are to do are actually an extension of our life in Christ, is the beginning of the ability to do them

if you are being made to feel guilty because some person is proclaiming sin is the problem, remember that Christ died for your sins and coincidentally theirs as well. Remember that God is the one who determines the gifts and dispenses them by His Spirit..

a good number of people around these forums are saying, Godly sorrow results in action that causes a good and beneficial result...worldly sorrow causes condemnation and is not of God and they are speaking the truth

If you feel guilty and scared, this is not God motivating you. If you understand your position IN Christ, you know that God has not left you and He is not scaring you

Be aware that works of the flesh can and do masquerade as truth...when God calls a person to perform a task, that person has been chosen for that task...we draw people to Christ by lifting Christ up...that, is the method chosen by God

"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." John 12:32

No one can come to Christ unless the Father draws him

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44

Salvation is not a work of man and condemnation is not a work of God!



I think it best to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Sometimes He whispers words of love, comfort, encouragement and hope, softly ...
Sometimes He exhorts and reprimands matter of factly ...
Sometimes He turns tables vehemently ...

We have seen all three of these behaviors in apostles and JESUS Himself.

The key to good responses is to always be walking in the Spirit.

A mind on things above, and eyes on Jesus will likely act and react exactly as God would have it.

Peace n Love~
 

notuptome

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Maybe a distinction between 'feeling guilty' and 'convicted' is in order?
John 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
7 ¶ Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16 ¶ A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

Is guilt part of the convicting power of the Holy Spirit? If you have not been convicted of sin then how did you get saved?

Salvation removes the guilt and shame of sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Maybe a distinction between 'feeling guilty' and 'convicted' is in order?

amen. conviction is Gods work in us, creates Godly sorrow and leads us to repentance. condemnation v conviction. stoning a person v refusing to omit truth even if the truth convicts someone of the need for repentance. saying what makes us feel good, isn't always what a person needs to hear.
 
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Is guilt part of the convicting power of the Holy Spirit? If you have not been convicted of sin then how did you get saved?
I was 5. I did not even know what sin was and never heard the word. I have a really good memory and I remember it well.

My mother was in the hospital and it was winter. My dad was shovelling the car out of the snow so we could go and visit with her...it was already dark out...gets dark around 4:30 in winter in Quebec.

I had started going to Sunday School and learned about Jesus and that I could ask Him 'into my heart'..as I was watching my dad from the 2nd floor of the duplex, I saw that he was trying to get the car unstuck but it would not budge. I said to myself, well, if God is there, let's see what happens if I pray for the car to become unstuck.

I prayed and asked God...as an unsaved child of 5, to please show me He was real by getting the car unstuck. The car immediately was free. God was good on His Word so I immediately 'asked Jesus into my heart' as children do. My concept of sin was a choice between being a good child or a bad child. I definitely had a relationship with God from the start and would pray about all kinds of things and I loved my children's Bible stories and would read them over and over.

Convicted? hardly

God can convert anyone, anytime, anywhere He chooses. And it pleases Him to do so.
 
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John 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
7 ¶ Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16 ¶ A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

Is guilt part of the convicting power of the Holy Spirit? If you have not been convicted of sin then how did you get saved?

Salvation removes the guilt and shame of sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
ROMANS 6
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What benefit did you reap at that time
from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!