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C
Hi Grace,
The verses don't necessarily talk about the war in heaven. In fact, all the surrounding parts before and after 'cast out' are all related to the earth/this world.
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
So these verses could be seen in the context of satan being cast out as being ruler of this world once Jesus dies, as opposed to being cast out of heaven. Satan is the prince of this world, doesn't speak of him in heaven. Just saying, the verse has no mention of heaven, but rather speaks about earth and what would happen when Jesus dies.
The verses don't necessarily talk about the war in heaven. In fact, all the surrounding parts before and after 'cast out' are all related to the earth/this world.
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
So these verses could be seen in the context of satan being cast out as being ruler of this world once Jesus dies, as opposed to being cast out of heaven. Satan is the prince of this world, doesn't speak of him in heaven. Just saying, the verse has no mention of heaven, but rather speaks about earth and what would happen when Jesus dies.
C
Hi Ahwatukee,
I have to say that your post, instead of giving me more understanding, has thoroughly confused me
Let me open by saying I have not studied the 7 trumpets and so may have a very deep lack of knowledge in this area.
What I do understand you saying, is that the trumpets happen, and then satan gets thrown out of heaven - which seems to suggest that you are following the flow of the chapter chronologically. I find this to be a problem on 2 points:
1: I see no correlation between the trumpets and the war in heaven. If we look at it chronologically, then it means that the trumpets happen before Christ is born, as Christ is only born in Rev 12. So I don't believe a chronological look at this could fit. Perhaps you need to explain using scripture how the trumpets are connected to the war in heaven?
2: When I look at the 7th trumpet it says this:
Rev 11: 15-18
15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven:
“The kingdom of the world is now the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”
16 And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God,
17 saying:
“We give thanks to You, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was; You have taken Your great power and begun to reign.
18 The nations were enraged, and Your wrath has come. The time has come to judge the dead,and to reward Your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear Your name,
both small and great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
For me, the 7th trumpet sounds like the second coming.
If we look at this, it seems like Christ is beginning to reign on earth, and then reigns forever on earth after the 7th trumpet is blown. Jesus says that when he comes again, he will have his reward for every man with him (Rev 22:12). And the woe is for those that are to be destroyed...
So again, not sure how the trumpet is connected to the war in heaven. No mention is given in the trumpets of war in heaven, so I do not see how it can be connected.
I have to say that your post, instead of giving me more understanding, has thoroughly confused me
Let me open by saying I have not studied the 7 trumpets and so may have a very deep lack of knowledge in this area.
What I do understand you saying, is that the trumpets happen, and then satan gets thrown out of heaven - which seems to suggest that you are following the flow of the chapter chronologically. I find this to be a problem on 2 points:
1: I see no correlation between the trumpets and the war in heaven. If we look at it chronologically, then it means that the trumpets happen before Christ is born, as Christ is only born in Rev 12. So I don't believe a chronological look at this could fit. Perhaps you need to explain using scripture how the trumpets are connected to the war in heaven?
2: When I look at the 7th trumpet it says this:
Rev 11: 15-18
15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven:
“The kingdom of the world is now the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”
16 And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God,
17 saying:
“We give thanks to You, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was; You have taken Your great power and begun to reign.
18 The nations were enraged, and Your wrath has come. The time has come to judge the dead,and to reward Your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear Your name,
both small and great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
For me, the 7th trumpet sounds like the second coming.
If we look at this, it seems like Christ is beginning to reign on earth, and then reigns forever on earth after the 7th trumpet is blown. Jesus says that when he comes again, he will have his reward for every man with him (Rev 22:12). And the woe is for those that are to be destroyed...
So again, not sure how the trumpet is connected to the war in heaven. No mention is given in the trumpets of war in heaven, so I do not see how it can be connected.
C
Hi InSpiritInTruth,
Thanks for the post... I am sure not sure at all how this answers the question of when the war in heaven occurred though. The devil and the anti-christ are 2 separate things I believe. Rev 13 tells us clearly that the dragon gives the beast its power, so it cannot be the same.
Any further clarification on the war happening before or after creation would be appreciated.
chips1024
Thanks for the post... I am sure not sure at all how this answers the question of when the war in heaven occurred though. The devil and the anti-christ are 2 separate things I believe. Rev 13 tells us clearly that the dragon gives the beast its power, so it cannot be the same.
Any further clarification on the war happening before or after creation would be appreciated.
chips1024
C
It would seem from your statement, Ahwatukee, that there is now 2 times that the devil 'falls'.
Isaiah 14:12 says 'How you have fallen from heaven, O Lucifer"
Ezekiel 28:16 says 'Therefore I cast you as a profane thing. Out of the mountain of God;'
These verses seem to suggest that the devil was thrown out of heaven/Gods presence - and he was sent 'to the ground' (Isaiah 14:12 + Ezekiel 28:17).
Rev 12 tells us that satan was thrown out of heaven to the earth after the war. Same story told, scripture on scripture it seems like these two stories are talking about the same thing/time. The war was because of satans 'original rebellion' - which also kind of makes sense - satan rebelled and there was a war. I doubt there was rebellion and there was peace between those who rebelled and those who did not.
Isaiah 14:12 says 'How you have fallen from heaven, O Lucifer"
Ezekiel 28:16 says 'Therefore I cast you as a profane thing. Out of the mountain of God;'
These verses seem to suggest that the devil was thrown out of heaven/Gods presence - and he was sent 'to the ground' (Isaiah 14:12 + Ezekiel 28:17).
Rev 12 tells us that satan was thrown out of heaven to the earth after the war. Same story told, scripture on scripture it seems like these two stories are talking about the same thing/time. The war was because of satans 'original rebellion' - which also kind of makes sense - satan rebelled and there was a war. I doubt there was rebellion and there was peace between those who rebelled and those who did not.
Greetings Tintin,
Regarding the above. As I pointed out in an earlier post, the 5th and 6th trumpets must take place prior to the 7th trumpet, which is the war in heaven where Satan and his angels are cast out and restricted to the earth. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which are the coming wrath of God, are not meant to quietly take place in the background of history. On the contrary, they are meant to be unescapable. They are meant to get and keep the peoples of the earth attention. Therefore, the 7th trumpet/3rd woe, which is Satan and his angels being cast to the earth, is not something that could have taken place without the world noticing. Him and his angels being cast to the earth is not going to result in the typical deceptions that we have continued, but here is what scripture has to say regarding his being cast down to the earth:
"Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”
The highlight in red above is the 3rd woe which many people read right over. The reference to the devil knowing "that his time is short," is because when he is cast out in the middle of the seven years he will know from scripture that he will only have 3 1/2 years before Christ returns to the earth to end the age and which is when he is thrown into and bound in the Abyss for a literal thousand years.
Once the church has been removed and that first seal has been opened, this world will become a chaotic, turbulent place, with the wrath of God being poured out and the campaign of the beast and the false prophet, which as Jesus said, will be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning of the world, until now and never to be equaled again.
Regarding the above. As I pointed out in an earlier post, the 5th and 6th trumpets must take place prior to the 7th trumpet, which is the war in heaven where Satan and his angels are cast out and restricted to the earth. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which are the coming wrath of God, are not meant to quietly take place in the background of history. On the contrary, they are meant to be unescapable. They are meant to get and keep the peoples of the earth attention. Therefore, the 7th trumpet/3rd woe, which is Satan and his angels being cast to the earth, is not something that could have taken place without the world noticing. Him and his angels being cast to the earth is not going to result in the typical deceptions that we have continued, but here is what scripture has to say regarding his being cast down to the earth:
"Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”
The highlight in red above is the 3rd woe which many people read right over. The reference to the devil knowing "that his time is short," is because when he is cast out in the middle of the seven years he will know from scripture that he will only have 3 1/2 years before Christ returns to the earth to end the age and which is when he is thrown into and bound in the Abyss for a literal thousand years.
Once the church has been removed and that first seal has been opened, this world will become a chaotic, turbulent place, with the wrath of God being poured out and the campaign of the beast and the false prophet, which as Jesus said, will be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning of the world, until now and never to be equaled again.
Hello Chips1024,
As I said, the reference that Jesus made about seeing Satan fall from heaven like lightning, was in reference to his original fall and has nothing with the coming war that takes place in heaven. We can deduce from the fact that, if Jesus' reference of Satan being cast out like lightning is synonymous with the war in heaven, then one would have to ask the question as to how Satan is shown to have access to God's throne as described in Job? How is it that scripture states that Satan is currently in the presence of God and accusing believers day and night? Also, from Rev.4:1 onward, the events of God's wrath are things that "must take place later" i.e. after the church period, which hasn't happened yet. And the biggest problem that faces the person who claims that the war in heaven of Rev.12:7 has already taken place is that, we have not seen nor do we have any historical records regarding the events of wrath that take place as a result of the 5th and 6th trumpets which must come before the 7th trumpet.
The bottom line is, one would have to prove the fulfillment of trumpets 5 and 6, because the 7th trumpet cannot take place until those two go first. The war is future and takes place in the middle of the seven years and Satan and his angels will be restricted to the earth for that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns.
As I said, the reference that Jesus made about seeing Satan fall from heaven like lightning, was in reference to his original fall and has nothing with the coming war that takes place in heaven. We can deduce from the fact that, if Jesus' reference of Satan being cast out like lightning is synonymous with the war in heaven, then one would have to ask the question as to how Satan is shown to have access to God's throne as described in Job? How is it that scripture states that Satan is currently in the presence of God and accusing believers day and night? Also, from Rev.4:1 onward, the events of God's wrath are things that "must take place later" i.e. after the church period, which hasn't happened yet. And the biggest problem that faces the person who claims that the war in heaven of Rev.12:7 has already taken place is that, we have not seen nor do we have any historical records regarding the events of wrath that take place as a result of the 5th and 6th trumpets which must come before the 7th trumpet.
The bottom line is, one would have to prove the fulfillment of trumpets 5 and 6, because the 7th trumpet cannot take place until those two go first. The war is future and takes place in the middle of the seven years and Satan and his angels will be restricted to the earth for that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns.
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Ahwatukee,
I have 2 questions that I am looking for answers to support your statements.
1: How do we connect the trumpets in Revelation to the war in heaven in Rev 12?
Are we taking a chronological approach to the chapters of Revelation? How are you connecting them?
2: You say "the reference that Jesus made about seeing Satan fall from heaven like lightning, was in reference to his original fall and has nothing with the coming war that takes place in heaven".
Rev 12 is quite clear in that satan was thrown to the earth after the war. Again, it would seem as if you are saying there are 2 times that satan is thrown down. Is this what you are saying?
Please clarify using scripture if possible,
Chips1024
I have 2 questions that I am looking for answers to support your statements.
1: How do we connect the trumpets in Revelation to the war in heaven in Rev 12?
Are we taking a chronological approach to the chapters of Revelation? How are you connecting them?
2: You say "the reference that Jesus made about seeing Satan fall from heaven like lightning, was in reference to his original fall and has nothing with the coming war that takes place in heaven".
Rev 12 is quite clear in that satan was thrown to the earth after the war. Again, it would seem as if you are saying there are 2 times that satan is thrown down. Is this what you are saying?
Please clarify using scripture if possible,
Chips1024
Hello Chips1024,
Regarding the above, then you did not read the post thoroughly. Below is the proof of the trumpets taking place in chronological order:
5th Trumpet/1st woe:
A star/angel has the key to the Abyss and opens it releasing the demonic beings that come up out of the Abyss onto the earth. They are commanded to torment the inhabitant of the earth for five months, having stings like scorpions. After the 5th trumpet we then read the following:
"The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come" (6th and 7th trumpets still to come)
Then the 6th trumpet/2nd woe is sounded and the four angels and their demonic army of 200 million kill a third of the inhabitants of the earth. After the 6th trumpet/2nd woe we read the following:
"The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon" (The 6th trumpet has passed and the 7th trumpet is coming soon)
The verses highlighted in red above demonstrate that trumpets 5, 6 and 7 are in chronological order as can be deduced by "has passed" and "yet to come." That said, trumpets 5 and 6 being woes 1 and 2, must take place prior to the 7th trumpet 3rd woe.
Regarding the above, I have studied the entire book for over 40 years and I am always camped out in it and that because it is the grand central station of the Bible. The information that I am giving to you is the truth. I would suggest that you do become familiar with the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, for they are the fulfillment of the day of the Lord, the wrath of God. Through these three sets of seven judgments, God is going to decimate the population of the earth and dismantle all human governments as demonstrated by Nebuchadnezzar's statue in Dan.2:31-45. That ten-toed kingdom made of partly iron and partly baked clay will be the beasts kingdom and the last human kingdom/government. The Rock (Jesus Christ) will fall on the feet of the statue smashing it to pieces like chaff on a threshing floor and blown away by the wind never to be found again (end of human government) and the Rock that smashes the statue will fill the entire earth, which is symbolic for Christ's millennial kingdom.
The answer to your question is that, after the 4th trumpet takes place, we see the following:
"As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!” (Rev.8:13)
The above scripture tells the reader that each of the trumpets which follow after the 4th trumpet are referred to as "WOES." The verses that I posted above demonstrate that each of those trumpet woes are in sequential order as demonstrated by the words "The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come" and "The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon"
1st woe = 5th Trumpet
2nd woe = 6th Trumpet
3rd woe = 7th Trumpet
The 7th trumpet/3rd woe is as follows:
"Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone
down to you! He is filled with fury because he knows that his time is short."
If you have any questions regarding Revelation or end-time events, I would be happy to go over them with you.
Blessings in Christ!
Regarding the above, then you did not read the post thoroughly. Below is the proof of the trumpets taking place in chronological order:
5th Trumpet/1st woe:
A star/angel has the key to the Abyss and opens it releasing the demonic beings that come up out of the Abyss onto the earth. They are commanded to torment the inhabitant of the earth for five months, having stings like scorpions. After the 5th trumpet we then read the following:
"The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come" (6th and 7th trumpets still to come)
Then the 6th trumpet/2nd woe is sounded and the four angels and their demonic army of 200 million kill a third of the inhabitants of the earth. After the 6th trumpet/2nd woe we read the following:
"The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon" (The 6th trumpet has passed and the 7th trumpet is coming soon)
The verses highlighted in red above demonstrate that trumpets 5, 6 and 7 are in chronological order as can be deduced by "has passed" and "yet to come." That said, trumpets 5 and 6 being woes 1 and 2, must take place prior to the 7th trumpet 3rd woe.
Regarding the above, I have studied the entire book for over 40 years and I am always camped out in it and that because it is the grand central station of the Bible. The information that I am giving to you is the truth. I would suggest that you do become familiar with the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, for they are the fulfillment of the day of the Lord, the wrath of God. Through these three sets of seven judgments, God is going to decimate the population of the earth and dismantle all human governments as demonstrated by Nebuchadnezzar's statue in Dan.2:31-45. That ten-toed kingdom made of partly iron and partly baked clay will be the beasts kingdom and the last human kingdom/government. The Rock (Jesus Christ) will fall on the feet of the statue smashing it to pieces like chaff on a threshing floor and blown away by the wind never to be found again (end of human government) and the Rock that smashes the statue will fill the entire earth, which is symbolic for Christ's millennial kingdom.
The answer to your question is that, after the 4th trumpet takes place, we see the following:
"As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!” (Rev.8:13)
The above scripture tells the reader that each of the trumpets which follow after the 4th trumpet are referred to as "WOES." The verses that I posted above demonstrate that each of those trumpet woes are in sequential order as demonstrated by the words "The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come" and "The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon"
1st woe = 5th Trumpet
2nd woe = 6th Trumpet
3rd woe = 7th Trumpet
The 7th trumpet/3rd woe is as follows:
"Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone
down to you! He is filled with fury because he knows that his time is short."
If you have any questions regarding Revelation or end-time events, I would be happy to go over them with you.
Blessings in Christ!
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I guess it comes down to what you believe Revelation reveals and that timeline.
Some believe it's all in the future. Others all in the past. Still others that some have happened since revelation was written and some have yet to occur.
It can become a long study to study fully even one position, much less all of them.
Some believe it's all in the future. Others all in the past. Still others that some have happened since revelation was written and some have yet to occur.
It can become a long study to study fully even one position, much less all of them.
C
Thanks, I get that the trumpets are chronological in nature. I am not getting how you are connecting the war in heaven to the trumpets. Even in post 30 you are not saying how you are connecting them.
I get that the trumpets happen in a chronological nature, thats why they are numbered 1-7... what I want to know is how do the trumpets connect to the war in heaven?
My initial question was about the war in heaven, not the trumpets - all you have told me is that not all the trumpets have happened yet - which I agree with you on.
Are you saying that because the trumpets are before Rev 12 (Rev 8-11) that they must happen before Rev 12 and the war? Is this what you are saying? You just keep repeating the trumpets and the woe, and keep saying the trumpets are chronological, but you are not taking the step further and showing how the trumpets are connected to the war in heaven.
Please clarify with regard to the question posed if possible.
I get that the trumpets happen in a chronological nature, thats why they are numbered 1-7... what I want to know is how do the trumpets connect to the war in heaven?
My initial question was about the war in heaven, not the trumpets - all you have told me is that not all the trumpets have happened yet - which I agree with you on.
Are you saying that because the trumpets are before Rev 12 (Rev 8-11) that they must happen before Rev 12 and the war? Is this what you are saying? You just keep repeating the trumpets and the woe, and keep saying the trumpets are chronological, but you are not taking the step further and showing how the trumpets are connected to the war in heaven.
Please clarify with regard to the question posed if possible.
The antichrist spirit is the spirit of the Prince (Satan, Devil, Old Serpent, Red Dragon) that was prophesied to be cast down and to come as I showed in my first post. The spirit of antichrist is the spirit of a lie, just as the opposite of that is God's Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of Truth. The Devil influences and empowers men (who are like beasts) by his evil spirit, just as God influences and empowers men by His Holy Spirit.
This verse here proves the Prince of this world is a spirit.....
Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
That verse also shows the spirit was already at work in the world when Paul said "now works" in the children of disobedience.
This verse here proves the Prince of this world is a spirit.....
Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
That verse also shows the spirit was already at work in the world when Paul said "now works" in the children of disobedience.
Hello chips1024,
In Rev.8:13 after the 4th trumpet has sounded and before the 5th trumpet is sounded, we read the following:
"As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!”
In the scripture above, each "Woe" above represents each following trumpet. To be clear, trumpet's 5, 6 & 7 each have a "woe" attached to them:
5th Trumpet (1st woe)
6th Trumpet (2nd woe)
7th Trumpet (3rd woe)
The trumpets 5, 6 & 7, each represent an event of wrath that takes place as each one is sounded.
5th Trumpet/1st woe = Demonic beings let out of the Abyss to torment mankind for five months
6th Trumpet/2nd woe = A third of mankind killed by the four angels and their army of 200 million
7th Trumpet/3rd woe = Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth
Three trumpets each representing three woes.
How do we know that the 7th trumpet is the war in heaven (Satan and his angels cast out of heaven)
After the 6th trumpet was sounded, we read the following:
"The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon."
Since the second woe was the 6th trumpet, then the third woe would have to be the 7th trumpet. In Rev.11:15 we have the 7th trumpet being sounded. As previously stated, with the sounding of each trumpet comes an event of wrath from God. After the announcement that the 7th trumpet/3rd woe is being sounded in Rev.11:15, following that through the end of chapter 11 is informational regarding the worshiping and praises to God. When we get to Rev.12, we are introduced to the symbolism of the woman who is symbolic representing Israel and the symbolism of the dragon and the stars which are symbolism representing Satan and his angels. Rev.12:1-6 is a summary, where Rev.12:7-17 is a detailed account of the Rev.12:1-6.
It is at Rev.12:7 that we come to the wrath as a result of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe, which is the war in heaven where Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth. It is a time of rejoicing for heaven and those who dwell in it, but is that "3rd woe" to the inhabitants of the earth and that because once Satan and his angels are restricted to the earth they will reeking havoc. They will be able to focus all of the evil and hatred towards mankind at full force.
I hope that this explanation makes it clear as to how the war in heaven, with Satan and his angels being cast down to the earth, as being the results of the 7th Trumpet/3rd woe.
In Rev.8:13 after the 4th trumpet has sounded and before the 5th trumpet is sounded, we read the following:
"As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!”
In the scripture above, each "Woe" above represents each following trumpet. To be clear, trumpet's 5, 6 & 7 each have a "woe" attached to them:
5th Trumpet (1st woe)
6th Trumpet (2nd woe)
7th Trumpet (3rd woe)
The trumpets 5, 6 & 7, each represent an event of wrath that takes place as each one is sounded.
5th Trumpet/1st woe = Demonic beings let out of the Abyss to torment mankind for five months
6th Trumpet/2nd woe = A third of mankind killed by the four angels and their army of 200 million
7th Trumpet/3rd woe = Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth
Three trumpets each representing three woes.
How do we know that the 7th trumpet is the war in heaven (Satan and his angels cast out of heaven)
After the 6th trumpet was sounded, we read the following:
"The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon."
Since the second woe was the 6th trumpet, then the third woe would have to be the 7th trumpet. In Rev.11:15 we have the 7th trumpet being sounded. As previously stated, with the sounding of each trumpet comes an event of wrath from God. After the announcement that the 7th trumpet/3rd woe is being sounded in Rev.11:15, following that through the end of chapter 11 is informational regarding the worshiping and praises to God. When we get to Rev.12, we are introduced to the symbolism of the woman who is symbolic representing Israel and the symbolism of the dragon and the stars which are symbolism representing Satan and his angels. Rev.12:1-6 is a summary, where Rev.12:7-17 is a detailed account of the Rev.12:1-6.
It is at Rev.12:7 that we come to the wrath as a result of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe, which is the war in heaven where Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth. It is a time of rejoicing for heaven and those who dwell in it, but is that "3rd woe" to the inhabitants of the earth and that because once Satan and his angels are restricted to the earth they will reeking havoc. They will be able to focus all of the evil and hatred towards mankind at full force.
I hope that this explanation makes it clear as to how the war in heaven, with Satan and his angels being cast down to the earth, as being the results of the 7th Trumpet/3rd woe.
J
This is wrong for so many reasons to list. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven. God is on the throne. This is a prophecy that stems from old testament to new and is confirmed in both. It starts in Psalm 110:1 and continues to be referenced all through into the new testament.
The earth is the Lords footstool. The whole earth. Isaiah 66:1
Once all enemies are cast out of heave all of them including satan then Jesus will return and tread the winepress of the wrath of God.
I can explain all this in great detail using scripture but it involves a lot of scripture. Send me a private message and I will arrange a time to explain it all this evening in great detail. So if your interested in how all this is answered and comes together just using God's word, send me a private message.
The earth is the Lords footstool. The whole earth. Isaiah 66:1
Once all enemies are cast out of heave all of them including satan then Jesus will return and tread the winepress of the wrath of God.
I can explain all this in great detail using scripture but it involves a lot of scripture. Send me a private message and I will arrange a time to explain it all this evening in great detail. So if your interested in how all this is answered and comes together just using God's word, send me a private message.
J
Anyone interested in the answer to post number 8 and the original posters question send me a private message and I will arrange a time to go through all the verses involved. It involves way to many verses to be typed out. But all easily understood. Precept upon precept line upon line.
Again a ton of scripture is involved in answering post #8. Post #8 takes a few verses which appear to be saying something they are not out of context and puts them together to confuse people. All this can be answered with just God's word clearly and easy to be understood. Anyone wanting to know the truth on how to answer post number 8 with Gods word and the answer to the the original posters topic then send me a private message and I will arrange a time this evening to go through all the verses involved. There are just to many to type out in this venue.
Again a ton of scripture is involved in answering post #8. Post #8 takes a few verses which appear to be saying something they are not out of context and puts them together to confuse people. All this can be answered with just God's word clearly and easy to be understood. Anyone wanting to know the truth on how to answer post number 8 with Gods word and the answer to the the original posters topic then send me a private message and I will arrange a time this evening to go through all the verses involved. There are just to many to type out in this venue.
And the above has to do with the 7th Trumpet/3rd woe, how? It is important to understand that Satan and the beast are two individual beings. This is easy enough to prove in that, when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, the beast is thrown into the lake of fire and Satan is thrown into the Abyss. You can't be the same being if they're going to two separate places. The beast is that angel of the Abyss (Destroyer) who will come out at the sounding of the 5th trumpet/1st woe. None of what you have written above has anything to with the war in heaven which takes place at the sounding of the 7th trumpet. If anyone would like to claim that the war has already taken place and that Satan has already been cast out, then please produce the proof of the 5th and 6th trumpets having already taken place.