When was the 'War in Heaven'?

chips1024 · May 25, 2016

Revelation 12:7-9 tells us there was war in heaven

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

After the war, the devil and his angels are thrown down to the Earth and he begins to deceive the whole world - similarly to how he tried to deceive the angels in heaven I would imagine.

Do we have any scriptural evidence as to when this happened?
My question is more specific in relation to the creation of mankind/the seven days of creation. Was the war was before creation or after creation was completed?

I found some verses that speak about before creation of the world:
Ephesians 1:4 says "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight."
1 Peter 1:20 says "He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake."
Titus 1:1-2 says "Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,"

It would seem from these few verses that The Son was chosen to be our sacrifice from before the creation of the world. If there was no sin before the creation, why would we need a sacrifice/savior? Is this evidence that sin and 'the war' began before creation?

Any further input appreciated.

Chips1024

mpaper345 · May 25, 2016

Some people believe this war happened already in the past,but this is not true.

God is going to give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him,to follow the beast kingdom.

This war will happen in the middle of the 7 years period,and that is when Satan appears as the beast,to deceive all people who do not love God,and go against all people that love God,and claim Jesus.

The 6 trumpets are 6 disasters that happen on earth,that the world knows about,but after each disaster,the world keeps trying to solve its problems,and will not turn to God.

After the 6th trumpet,God said the world will not repent of their evil deeds,and keep trying to solve their problems,and will not turn to God to help them.

After the 6th trumpet,war breaks out in heaven,and the dragon,and his angels,are cast to earth,and Satan appears as the beast,and God gives the world their way,which the Bible says,the world has become the habitation of devils,and the cage of every hateful,and unclean,bird.

Ariel82 · May 25, 2016

The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning." -Luke 10:17-18

Ariel82 · May 25, 2016

The war in heaven took place during Jesus earthly ministry.

Satan/the dragon was cast out of heaven with 1/3 of the angels and they wander the earth seeking folks to destroy.

Grace777x70 · May 25, 2016

I believe that satan had been cast out of heaven after Jesus died on the cross.

John 12:31-33 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

[SUP]32 [/SUP] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

[SUP]33 [/SUP] This he said, signifying what death he should die.

In context we can see that Jesus is born and then satan later is thrown down and the saints overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, word of their testimony and loved not their lives unto death.

Revelation 12:5-11 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.

RBA238 · May 25, 2016

You have to assume the war in heaven where Lucifer ( Satan) was ordered out of heaven by God, for rebellion and bad attitude.

We read this in two Chapters in our Bibles, (1)
Isaiah 14 verses 12-16/Ezikiel 28: verses 13-19
We can also read the following II Peter 2 verse 4, /Jude 6. We know this all took place before Adam and Eve were created, because the Serpent in the Garden of Eden (Satan in disguise) Was on earth when Eve was beguiled to eat the of the forbidden tree.

Ahwatukee · May 25, 2016

Hello chips1024,

This event has not yet taken place and yes, we do have scriptural evidence which demonstrates this. Please consider the following:

In Rev.8:13, after the 4th trumpet has been fulfilled and before the 5th trumpet is sounded, we read the following:

"As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!”

So, trumpets 5, 6 & 7 are referred to as woes and that because they are all demonic in nature. The 5th trumpet/1st woe is when that star/angel opens the Abyss releasing those demonic beings that are commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like that of a scorpions for five months. After the 5th trumpet/1st woe we read the following:

"The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come."

After this the 6th trumpet/2nd woe is sounded and those four fallen angels who are bound at the great Euphrates River are released, they gather a demonic army of 200 million, killing a third of the earth's population. After this event we read the following:

"The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon."

Following that we have sounding of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe, which is that war in heaven with Satan and his angels being thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth where they can focus their full malice and evil upon mankind.

Now, the reason why the war in heaven could not have taken place is because, as you can see above, after the 5th trumpet it states that "the first woe has passed and two others are yet to come." Then after the 6th trumpet it states that "the second woe has passed and the third woe is coming soon." This would demonstrate that trumpets 5, 6 & 7 are in sequential order. Therefore, in order for the war in heaven to take place, which is the 7th trumpet/3rd woe, the 5th and 6th trumpets would have to take place prior to the 7th. That said, there would have to be some historical record of those demonic beings coming up out of the Abyss and tormenting the inhabitants of the earth for 5 months. And following that judgment, the 6th trumpet would have to have sounded with a third of the earth's inhabitants being killed, and I'm sure that we would have some historical proof that this had taken place. Yet, we have no historical records for either of the those events of wrath.

Therefore, the 7th trumpet/3rd woe--which is Satan and his angels being thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth--could not have already taken place and that because trumpets 5 & 6 must take place first.

Hope this gives some understanding

InSpiritInTruth · May 25, 2016

Here is an old post I wrote on it which should clear it up->>>>>>

There seems to be a huge error going around about when Satan, the Prince that was forecast to come. As was also prophesied in Daniel, and when antichrist spirit was to come, and when the abomination that causes desolation (destruction of temple and holy city) was to be fulfilled.

Here is where the Prince was forecast to come in Daniel 9:26 “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”

This is the prophecy of the Prince, or Satan coming which was also confirmed by Jesus. Jesus said in Luke 10:18“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Jesus also said the Prince of this world is judged in John 16:11“Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”

And again in John 14:30“Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” And so again when is Satan judged, cast out, and when does hecome? John 12:31“Now is thejudgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

And when Jesus said now, he meant now! Not some 1,982 years or so later. Alright, we have scriptural proof to confirm this, and Jesus’ own testimony to confirm this, and now the apostles testimony of the coming of antichrist spirit.

1 John 2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”

1 John 4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

2 John 1:7 “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”

Note, John says nothing about a single man being called “Antichrist”, but rather he tells us antichrist is a spirit which works in many. (many deceivers)

Need more proof? Notice when the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast kingdom is in place, and when Satan/ prince of this world/ Devil/ Red dragon is in place, and also cast out.

Revelation 12:3-5 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”

There it is, already in place ready to devour the child Jesus as soon as it was born. How much clearer can that be?

But wait, there is more proof in Revelation 12:5-9 "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

Same thing confirmed in Daniel 8:8-12 “Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.”

There you have it folks, these things concerning his coming is confirmed as being fulfilled by both Jesus Christ, the apostles, and scripture.

So is your theology based on Truth, and also in line with scripture? Or is it based on a fanciful imagination of men who do not understand the spiritual things of God?

Ahwatukee · May 25, 2016

RBA238 said:

Greetings RBA238,

What you are referring to is Satan's original rebellion and subsequent fall. However, after that we read in Job that the son's of God (the angels) presented themselves before the Lord and Satan also came with them. We also see that in Rev.12, that Satan is accusing believers in God's presence day and night. This war in heaven will take place in the middle of that last seven years, at which time he will know that his time is short because Jesus will be returning 3 1/2 years after he and his angels are booted out, where he will then be thrown into and restricted in the Abyss for a thousand years.

Ahwatukee · May 25, 2016

Hello mpaper345,

Scripture demonstrates that Satan and the beast are two individual beings. First of all, Rev.13 states that Satan will give his power, seat and great authority to the beast, which would demonstrate that they are two separate beings. Then in Rev.19:20, Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and the beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire and immediately following that, Satan is seized by that angel and thrown into the Abyss, which demonstrates that both the beast and Satan go to two different places upon Christ's return.

Amen to your post! There is only one thing that I would bring to your attention to consider:

Ahwatukee · May 25, 2016

Ariel82 said:

Hello Ariel82,

Just FYI, When Jesus said the above, He was referring to Satan's original fall and not the coming war in heaven. That war in heaven and his being cast out, is the 7th trumpet/3rd woe, which means that the 5th and 6th trumpet must take place first prior to the 7th trumpet. Yet, we have not seen the fulfillment of either 5 or 6. When that 7th trumpet/3rd woe takes place, it will make what Satan and his angels have been doing on earth look like a picnic in comparison, which is why it is called a woe.

BeyondET · May 25, 2016

My view probably won't be welcome o well lol..

Gravity

eternally-gratefull · May 25, 2016

The war in heaven has not happened yet

Satan still has access, He is in heaven all the time to try to make accusations against us and our brethren. He could not do that if he was already cast out, He is called the accuser for that reason.

It is in the future, WHen he will be cast out, and given a small period of time to create all the hell he can before he is locked up for 1000 years.

RBA238 · May 25, 2016

So your stating, Satan ( Former Archangel Lucifer) is still in heaven, and God allows Ungodly Sinners, and Rebellious Created Angels or Humans to live among Just and Holy Angels? What kind of false tales are you teaching here?

Revelation 21 verse 8: "But the Fearful, and UNBELEIVING, and The Abominable, and murderers, and Whore mongers, and sorcerers, and Idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is,the second death.

islandman · May 25, 2016

The tricky part of your question is this. "When"
I mean to say that you and I. Everything we have seen and touched exist within time. Heaven exist outside of time
- Satan was in the garden to tempt eve.
- he was in heaven to accuse Job
-he was in earth again to tempt Christ

The simple and easy answer to your question is never. he has already been cast out. And he hasn't been cast out yet.

RBA238 · May 25, 2016

When Jesus went into The Wilderness and Fasted 40 days before starting his earthly ministry, who was there tempting him to get him to fall for all the tricks he proposed? Ole Satan himself...Matthew 4 verses 1-11.

So what you are proposing is Satan actuallylives,right now in heaven, and is busy down here on Earth 24/7 365 down here deceiving the masses, but his home office is still up with a Holy God, and his Holy Angels? Yea, right..

valiant · May 25, 2016

chips1024 said:

Revelation 12:7-9 tells us there was war in heaven

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

After the war, the devil and his angels are thrown down to the Earth and he begins to deceive the whole world - similarly to how he tried to deceive the angels in heaven I would imagine.

Do we have any scriptural evidence as to when this happened?
My question is more specific in relation to the creation of mankind/the seven days of creation. Was the war was before creation or after creation was completed?

I found some verses that speak about before creation of the world:
Ephesians 1:4 says "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight."
1 Peter 1:20 says "He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake."
Titus 1:1-2 says "Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,"

It would seem from these few verses that The Son was chosen to be our sacrifice from before the creation of the world. If there was no sin before the creation, why would we need a sacrifice/savior? Is this evidence that sin and 'the war' began before creation?

Any further input appreciated.

Chips1024

if you seriously want the truth Satan was cast out of heaven in Luke 10.18 in the time of Jesus. But it doesn't fit people's theories

or you can believe the theories of men above

RBA238 · May 25, 2016

Where in Luke 10 verse 18, does it say when Satan was cast out? JESUS just stated he beheld Satan as Lightning falling from heaven, as in that quick he left there to here.

chips1024 · May 26, 2016

mpaper345 said:

Thanks for responding... could you provide scripture with regard to this 7 years you speak of. It is the first I have heard about this.

chips1024 · May 26, 2016

Ariel82 said:

Hi Ariel, Luke tells us that Jesus saw satan falling out of heaven like lightning. It doesn't necessarily speak about the war.

On the lightning note though, we are told that the second coming will be visible like lightning (Matt 24:27). Comparing scripture with scripture, could it be that when the disciples came back after doing such miraculous works that everyone could see satans power over the earth falling and it is visible to all?? Just a thought that occurred to me as I read your statement... haven't thought it through fully though...

When was the 'War in Heaven'?

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