Is being celebant the right way to overcome homosexuality

This is Lastdayspreacher82. I will try to introduce my self in the new members forum soon. Anyway, I have been facing a problem since I was young, I deal with homosexuality. I have had a long journey in my life dealing with those issues, and every relationship I got into failed, most men found me boring, and I was not into the life style of that "Gay style" music, night clubs, and those dispicable gay bars. I once went to a gay bar and hated it, it resembled a soddom and gommorah, adding modern technology, and a few people under the influence of street drugs. Anyway I have not been in a so called relationship for a year and a half. I am messianic jew and my Rabbi suggested I become celebent. I actually like being celebent, if any of you know those active soddomites, they want to party and do useless things. I prefer the night with classical, 80's soft rock, or messianic music playing, and studying the scriptures or studying my Hebrew. Plus I am very poor, and most of "those types" are just attracted to money. I also do not get a television signal, I use dial up internet, and I am a conservative republican, more items those type dis. I pass my time by being on the internet, reading and so forth. I have another problem though. My town is a red neck town, and they know what I am. I was beaten in an attack because I was "Queer", and now I cannot go out with out getting harrassed. I will explain in my "introduce yourself thread" on just how reclusive I am now. I refuse to do those ex gay movement things, because they demand you pay them to help you, and that is selling the gospel, which Yeshua (Jesus) would consider wrong. So my question is, will I please Yeahwea if I just remain celebent.

[Thaddaeus]

unless you are married being celebant is the right way to overcome any sex. fornication sex outside the marriage


1co 6:18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

[Consumed]

seek Jesus brother, first i feel one must denounce what they know from Gods Word that hinders their relationship with God for Him to deliver us.im sure you would agree using Gods word as the standard to be applied to our lives. God said to adam, its not good for man to be alone, and made him a help mate, eve, not joe.

then again, 1 cor says if one can refrain from sex, cool, better, if not get married,if one cant refrain, better to marry than burn in hell. suppose you need to deal with the whole homosexual aspect before making those decisions though. God bless, i share with love and compassion for your trial and tribulation that you face.

[imoss]

I'm from a red neck town too... I will pray for you. Bless your heart.

[Grace2010]

Actually no, I don't know many gay people who want to party and do useless things. I avoid people that do that sort of crud, heterosexual or otherwise.

If being chaste will help you then do it. I see it as your only option.

[loveschild]

Right now you just need to be filled up with God. Let God be your love. Read his word. Listen to worship music. Watch as much bible study as you can. God bless you very much. Give you great favor everyday. You need some time to heal. The Lord will let you know when you are ready to date. I'm so happy for you!

[livingbygrace]

I would say yes it is the way. And God will be made very happy if you have chosen to do this because of what the Bible says

[resurrection33]

Is being celebant the right way to overcome homosexuality?

Jesus told us not to have sex until we get married.

[mpaper345]

If you did not like the gay bars because of the atmosphere you cannot be that bad off for you have a decentcy about you so it would seem like you could overcome homosexuality easily.

Being Celebate is not going to help you to overcome homosexuality if you still think homosexuality is alright and lust after it in your heart.Jesus said if you lust after a woman you have committed fornication.God said however a man thinks that is how He is.You do not have to commit the act of homosexuality to sin for if you approve of it and lust after it you have sinned.

Homosexuality is a fleshy pleasure that people get in to for whatever reason.People are not born homosexual but it is choice that they make later in life after they are born.

When a person is saved and receive the Spirit they will find that homosexuality is repulsive because then they would feel about that sin as the Holy Spirit feels about that sin which it is repulsive to the Holy Spirit.As long as you are led of the Spirit and not the flesh you will understand how homosexuality is wrong and will feel how it is wrong.

Matt

[Pheonix]

From what I have read on the subject, Homosexuality is a symptom of an addiction to sex. Therefore everything I've read has said the best way to overcome is to spend sometime away from everything that brings on those desires. Like any addiction such as drugs. You don't switch to a milder drug, you get off completely.

Just my thoughts though.

[Grace2010]

Originally Posted by mpaper345

If you did not like the gay bars because of the atmosphere you cannot be that bad off for you have a decentcy about you so it would seem like you could overcome homosexuality easily.

Being Celebate is not going to help you to overcome homosexuality if you still think homosexuality is alright and lust after it in your heart.Jesus said if you lust after a woman you have committed fornication.God said however a man thinks that is how He is.You do not have to commit the act of homosexuality to sin for if you approve of it and lust after it you have sinned.

Homosexuality is a fleshy pleasure that people get in to for whatever reason.People are not born homosexual but it is choice that they make later in life after they are born.

When a person is saved and receive the Spirit they will find that homosexuality is repulsive because then they would feel about that sin as the Holy Spirit feels about that sin which it is repulsive to the Holy Spirit.As long as you are led of the Spirit and not the flesh you will understand how homosexuality is wrong and will feel how it is wrong.

Matt

LOL is all I can say to that.

You think all gays just run around lusting, going to bad slummy bars and taking random people home? Look in the mirror. That's what heterosexual people do.

Homosexuality is NOT an ACT. There are MANY gay Christians who remain celibate their entire lives.

At least get your facts straight (pun intended) before you start trashing people. You want to call it sin? Fine, but don't start making up lies about who people are and what they do.

Even if homosexuality is a sin, people cannot just simply overcome things. If they could do that then you wouldn't need the grace of Jesus Christ, would you?

[Grace2010]

Originally Posted by Pheonix

From what I have read on the subject, Homosexuality is a symptom of an addiction to sex. Therefore everything I've read has said the best way to overcome is to spend sometime away from everything that brings on those desires. Like any addiction such as drugs. You don't switch to a milder drug, you get off completely.

Just my thoughts though.

What you've read is wrong. Heterosexuals seem to be more obsessed with sex on average.

[lightbliss]

Originally Posted by Grace2010

What you've read is wrong. Heterosexuals seem to be more obsessed with sex on average.

So where do you get you sources?

[Grace2010]

Originally Posted by lightbliss

So where do you get you sources?

By KNOWING gays and lesbians and the TRUTH.

[Consumed]

Originally Posted by Pheonix

From what I have read on the subject, Homosexuality is a symptom of an addiction to sex. Therefore everything I've read has said the best way to overcome is to spend sometime away from everything that brings on those desires. Like any addiction such as drugs. You don't switch to a milder drug, you get off completely.

Just my thoughts though.

well said bro, staying away is for a season to be strengthened in Him, then one gets tested by that which they are battling, then being found approved in that area, focus will shift to the next pressing issue God has with us that hinders us. Ignore one, round the mountain we go on that issue, He is patient and so loving not to give up though on us. What a God we have, what a King, Only Jesus........

[giantone]

Originally Posted by LastDaysPreacher82

This is Lastdayspreacher82. I will try to introduce my self in the new members forum soon. Anyway, I have been facing a problem since I was young, I deal with homosexuality. I have had a long journey in my life dealing with those issues, and every relationship I got into failed, most men found me boring, and I was not into the life style of that "Gay style" music, night clubs, and those dispicable gay bars. I once went to a gay bar and hated it, it resembled a soddom and gommorah, adding modern technology, and a few people under the influence of street drugs. Anyway I have not been in a so called relationship for a year and a half. I am messianic jew and my Rabbi suggested I become celebent. I actually like being celebent, if any of you know those active soddomites, they want to party and do useless things. I prefer the night with classical, 80's soft rock, or messianic music playing, and studying the scriptures or studying my Hebrew. Plus I am very poor, and most of "those types" are just attracted to money. I also do not get a television signal, I use dial up internet, and I am a conservative republican, more items those type dis. I pass my time by being on the internet, reading and so forth. I have another problem though. My town is a red neck town, and they know what I am. I was beaten in an attack because I was "Queer", and now I cannot go out with out getting harrassed. I will explain in my "introduce yourself thread" on just how reclusive I am now. I refuse to do those ex gay movement things, because they demand you pay them to help you, and that is selling the gospel, which Yeshua (Jesus) would consider wrong. So my question is, will I please Yeahwea if I just remain celebent.

God wants your heart not your hands, God wants us all to get sin of any kind out of our lives, If it were possible for a person to do all the right things and never knowingly sin and give to the poor like crazy and anything else you can think of, It wouldn't please God. (these things do please God) but you doing them without God's grace and outside of faith is not a work of God, but a stranger's work who God doesn't know.

Satan could care less if you do lots of good things, he is after the same thing not your hands but your citadel
as long as you keep God out of it especially the power of the cross out of it.

All of us identify ourselves with something, what we own, our position, title, what we do or give.
If you want to please God you need to identify with Him, you need to learn of Him, God needs to get inside of you, get rid of everything that isn't truth, just doing good things will not please God. Seeking to know God is a start.

[Israel]

Proverbs 24:16

For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

Mark 2:1-17

And again he entered into Capernaum after some days; and it was noised that he was in the house.

2And straightway many were gathered together, insomuch that there was no room to receive them, no, not so much as about the door: and he preached the word unto them.
3And they come unto him, bringing one sick of the palsy, which was borne of four.
4And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay.
5When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
6But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
8And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
9Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
10But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
11I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
12And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.
13And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.
14And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.
15And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.
16And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? 17When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

How was this man forgiven? By the works of the law or by his faith?

Galatians 2:16

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

No sin is esteemed no better or worse than the other in God's eyes. We all have sinned!


Acts 20:18-21

And when they were come to him, he said unto them, Ye know, from the first day that I came into Asia, after what manner I have been with you at all seasons,

19Serving the LORD with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews:
20And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house, 21Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Why do we need repentance toward God?

Romans 1:20-23

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

How do we repent?

Romans 7:14-25

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 12:1-3

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

It's interesting for this topic to be brought up, because we were actually discussing this in my small group this past Sunday (we got waaaaaay off topic, but it was a good discussion). As far as homosexuality goes, it is a sin and the Bible is clear on this. However, God views all sin the same - the wages of any sin is death, and it separates us from God. We are all prone to struggle with various sins; each one of us is different, and Satan knows how to get to us, how to tempt us, and cause us to struggle and to fall.

None of us are perfect, and we will never be perfect here on this earth. Becoming like Christ is a daily process, and hopefully we are making some progress each day, even if it's so small we do not recognize it until years later when we look back. You've already done the most important thing by accepting Christ; your salvation is secure and you do not have to live in worry and fear as to your eternal destination. The Bible says that there is only one unpardonable sin, and that is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Anything else, God forgives - Jesus already made payment on the cross. You do have to realize, though, that while we will not endure eternal punishment for the sin, there are still consequences while we are here on earth (STDs for sex outside of marriage; stealing and having to go jail, etc.), but it also messes up our fellowship with God. When we sin, we tend to feel ashamed (rightly so), and we don't want to confront it and go to God with it. So we are more likely to "put a little space" between ourselves and God, which does us no favors. Confession and repentance are important. Will you fall into temptation again? Probably. We are works in progress, after all. But keep confessing, repenting, and asking God to change your heart, to help you to resist that temptation. And remember, most people do not overcome a particular sin in one night.

I think it's great that you felt comfortable enough to seek out the advice of your brothers and sisters, and share this issue. It is certainly not well-received by most in the Church. Like I said, I won't walk around and tell you that gay relationships are okay, as the Bible is clear on the issue. But I do understand that it is a particular area that you struggle with (I have my areas that I struggle with), and as your sister in Christ, I love you and I will be praying for you. You are most certainly not alone in your struggle here. In my small group, one of the guys mentioned that a server at a restaurant he and some friends goes to frequently, is gay. They always get this same server, and he would here them talk about Christ, and hear them pray. He finally sat down with them one night, and told them that he wanted to know more about Jesus, and he accepted Christ that night. He still struggles with it, still falls into temptation probably on a daily basis. But he still goes to God with it. He told my friend that he is praying that God either gives him the desire in his heart for a wife, or gives him the strength to resist temptation and remain celibate. In the meantime, he is still struggling. But he maintains his faith in Christ. Like all of us, we have issues in our life to overcome, and they take time and prayer.

I would say that, for the meantime, being celibate is probably the best way to overcome this area of sin in your life. You also have to remember that, every time you fall into temptation, you are putting yourself at risk for all kinds of diseases (going back to those earthly consequences I mentioned above). And we all know that any sin grieves the heart of God. Will you probably still fall into temptation? Yeah, but keep at it. Keep getting back up and trying again. It may take time, but Jesus is working on us daily, to make us more like Himself. He is the Potter, and we are the clay in His hands, and He is making us into masterpieces.

[livingbygrace]

Originally Posted by Jennifleur

It's interesting for this topic to be brought up, because we were actually discussing this in my small group this past Sunday (we got waaaaaay off topic, but it was a good discussion). As far as homosexuality goes, it is a sin and the Bible is clear on this. However, God views all sin the same - the wages of any sin is death, and it separates us from God. We are all prone to struggle with various sins; each one of us is different, and Satan knows how to get to us, how to tempt us, and cause us to struggle and to fall.

None of us are perfect, and we will never be perfect here on this earth. Becoming like Christ is a daily process, and hopefully we are making some progress each day, even if it's so small we do not recognize it until years later when we look back. You've already done the most important thing by accepting Christ; your salvation is secure and you do not have to live in worry and fear as to your eternal destination. The Bible says that there is only one unpardonable sin, and that is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Anything else, God forgives - Jesus already made payment on the cross. You do have to realize, though, that while we will not endure eternal punishment for the sin, there are still consequences while we are here on earth (STDs for sex outside of marriage; stealing and having to go jail, etc.), but it also messes up our fellowship with God. When we sin, we tend to feel ashamed (rightly so), and we don't want to confront it and go to God with it. So we are more likely to "put a little space" between ourselves and God, which does us no favors. Confession and repentance are important. Will you fall into temptation again? Probably. We are works in progress, after all. But keep confessing, repenting, and asking God to change your heart, to help you to resist that temptation. And remember, most people do not overcome a particular sin in one night.

I think it's great that you felt comfortable enough to seek out the advice of your brothers and sisters, and share this issue. It is certainly not well-received by most in the Church. Like I said, I won't walk around and tell you that gay relationships are okay, as the Bible is clear on the issue. But I do understand that it is a particular area that you struggle with (I have my areas that I struggle with), and as your sister in Christ, I love you and I will be praying for you. You are most certainly not alone in your struggle here. In my small group, one of the guys mentioned that a server at a restaurant he and some friends goes to frequently, is gay. They always get this same server, and he would here them talk about Christ, and hear them pray. He finally sat down with them one night, and told them that he wanted to know more about Jesus, and he accepted Christ that night. He still struggles with it, still falls into temptation probably on a daily basis. But he still goes to God with it. He told my friend that he is praying that God either gives him the desire in his heart for a wife, or gives him the strength to resist temptation and remain celibate. In the meantime, he is still struggling. But he maintains his faith in Christ. Like all of us, we have issues in our life to overcome, and they take time and prayer.

I would say that, for the meantime, being celibate is probably the best way to overcome this area of sin in your life. You also have to remember that, every time you fall into temptation, you are putting yourself at risk for all kinds of diseases (going back to those earthly consequences I mentioned above). And we all know that any sin grieves the heart of God. Will you probably still fall into temptation? Yeah, but keep at it. Keep getting back up and trying again. It may take time, but Jesus is working on us daily, to make us more like Himself. He is the Potter, and we are the clay in His hands, and He is making us into masterpieces.

One of the best posts I have read, thank you for it

[Lifelike]

Originally Posted by LastDaysPreacher82

This is Lastdayspreacher82. I will try to introduce my self in the new members forum soon. Anyway, I have been facing a problem since I was young, I deal with homosexuality. I have had a long journey in my life dealing with those issues, and every relationship I got into failed, most men found me boring, and I was not into the life style of that "Gay style" music, night clubs, and those dispicable gay bars. I once went to a gay bar and hated it, it resembled a soddom and gommorah, adding modern technology, and a few people under the influence of street drugs. Anyway I have not been in a so called relationship for a year and a half. I am messianic jew and my Rabbi suggested I become celebent. I actually like being celebent, if any of you know those active soddomites, they want to party and do useless things. I prefer the night with classical, 80's soft rock, or messianic music playing, and studying the scriptures or studying my Hebrew. Plus I am very poor, and most of "those types" are just attracted to money. I also do not get a television signal, I use dial up internet, and I am a conservative republican, more items those type dis. I pass my time by being on the internet, reading and so forth. I have another problem though. My town is a red neck town, and they know what I am. I was beaten in an attack because I was "Queer", and now I cannot go out with out getting harrassed. I will explain in my "introduce yourself thread" on just how reclusive I am now. I refuse to do those ex gay movement things, because they demand you pay them to help you, and that is selling the gospel, which Yeshua (Jesus) would consider wrong. So my question is, will I please Yeahwea if I just remain celebent.

In the world but not of the world hey? We as christians as we develop in intimacy with christ, and the Holy Spirit will find it increasingly difficult to enjoy or find satisfaction in the ways of the world. As we are drawn into closer relationship to Him we will increase in purity and defilement will grow more and more grevious to us. To me practical and effective celebacy would include seperating onesself to God and to the pursuit of Him and His heart and His Spirit, and I believe that in that we will come to know Him as God and deliverer and see great personal victory of sins that seem impossible to overcome. In asking whether u should become celabant, I would say that we all should keep ourselves from the world and become single toward God but without shutting ourselves off from the possibility that God might want to glorify Himself through a God ordained marriage with His choice of wife for you. Definately abstain, from sin, but release yourself to be all that God has called you to be brother and be open to the future that He has predestined that you walk in. To me its about fleeing from immorality and that ultimately if we perservere that God will bring great deliverance because He is faithful. And maybe redneckville is not the place you should set up camp, thought of a fresh start? bless you brother.