Peter, The First Pope?

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JaumeJ

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Mat 16:18
And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

How does anyone derive from this declaration of Jesus Christ that Peter is the first pope? In view of the teaching that we are to call no man father (pope), why would this title be conferred upon any flesh? We are to call no man (spiritually) father, for we have but one Father.

Peter certainly did not refer to himself as pope or father, and there are no humanly named popes until the Catholic church came into being, centuries later.

Do not be taken in by clever misapplication and misappropriation of theWord. Jesus Christ named no man "father," pope that is.

 

crossnote

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You mean Peter didn't travel in a sword proof pope mobile?
 
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PurerInHeart

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No, when Jesus said upon this rock He will build His church, He meant upon the confession that He is the Christ, the Son of the living God- that is what Jesus was asking Peter- who do men say I am, who do you say I am, and when he said the Christ, Jesus said this was not revealed to him by mankind.

Ever sing the hymn "My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus' blood and righteousness" or the kids song "The wise man built his house upon the rock" what saves us from our sins? Christ's blood. Who ever sang their hope was built on Peter? "The stone that the builders rejected was made the capstone." "Jesus came to His own, but His own rejected Him" But Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, which we also have- repent, confess, be baptized.

Jesus did not make ANY popes. He appointed elders and deacons for each congregation, but only He is the head of them all. When the Old Testament prophesied "...and the government shall be on His shoulders" it was speaking of Christ, not a pope. In Colossians one it says, "...and He is the head of the body, the church" And in speaking of "him" it says nothing in creation was made without "him" therefore, if it meant the pope, the pope would had to have been with God before creation, he would have had to say, "Let there be..." And there was. I know the pope thinks he's a god, but he's not.
 
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I spoke to a Catholic about this once. His argument was, that Peter initiated the process of apostolic succession, where Peter named a successor and this was to be continued throughout the ages. He went on to tell me that they have a record of every person in the lineage back to Peter......and that if you trust the people who wrote the Bible then you must also trust their appointed successors, since it was personally set up that way.

I said "but the Holy Spirit itself confirms the bible, where does He come into the picture in that reasoning?". Never got a response. Don't blame him, he probably didn't know how to answer. I don't know about you guys, but the Holy Spirit never gave me the memo and or told me I had to convert to Catholicism.
 

crossnote

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MacArthur did make an interesting observation in saying that Peter, having the keys, opened the door of the Gospel first to the Jews (Acts 2), the Samaritans (Acts 8:14-20) and then the Gentiles (Acts 10). Kind of interesting.
 
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PurerInHeart

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Yes, that's what the bible says- that it will begin in Jerusalem and go out to all nations.
 

JaumeJ

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All it takes is a cursory study of the past popes and their conduct to know that these men have nothing devine about them.
 
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Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Matthew 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Peter was never a Roman Catholic and never a pope. He was a Jewish fisherman called to be one of the twelve Apostles of Christ and the Apostle to the circumcision (the Jews).

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Galatians 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )
Galatians 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
 

crossnote

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Bad Peter pope! He is married, baaad.

And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.
(Mat 8:14)
 
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You mean Peter didn't travel in a sword proof pope mobile?
It does seem strange between then and now, even between our Lord and the same

In the one (then)

Mat 21:5
Tell ye the daughter of Sion,

Behold, thy King cometh unto thee,
meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

In the other (now)

Behold thy pope cometh unto thee
seated in an armored vehicle with three inches of bullet proof glass




What if Peter gets the keys to the Kingdom and these other fella's got the keys to these bullet proof cruisers (which they are free to pass those keys onto their chauffeur's)
 

JaumeJ

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First, I would like it to be known loud and clear that I beieve there are many who believe themselves to be Catholic who are indeed members of the Body of Christ. For many of my years, childhood and adolescence, I believed I was Baptist because most of my relatives were Baptist, so I know what being "born into a religion (denomination)" is.

If we examine any denomination will will find Jesus Christ was not an affiliate of it. He was of the faith of Abraham. Not a denomination but a reference to "The Honored Father of nations."

It is easy to criticize the RCC rightly with all Biblical accuracy, and so it is with all denominations, some more difficult than others, but none perfect.

Here ins Spain just two examples of the errant ways of the CCR. The A'postle, James (Jacob), a brother of Jesus Christ, is buried here in Santiago, Galicia. He is also buried in Cyprus. Anyway, in Spanish it is proper to refer to James in Spanish as Santiago, and his nick name is Santiago Matamoros, or James the Moslem killer. That other example is the patron saint of Valencia, Spain, San Vicent (Vincent). He has another name; he is poplularly referred to as San Vicent Mata Judios, or St. Vincent the Jew Killer. I ask you, is this winning others by love?

Recently the president of Madrid, a woman named Pilar Aguerre, announced that the image of Mary in the main Catheral of Madrid, the Almudena, was brought to Madrid by Santiago (Matamoros). These announcements are not uncommon in Spain. Incidentally, this woman is not charged with various degrees of corruption by the populace. The outcome of these allegations is yet to come tot he fore due to the widespread corruption throughout the present governing party of Spain, the Partido Popular.

People in Spain, and around the globe, have a saint for every occasion, one for getting a husband, another for good eyesight, another for heart problems, another for bone problems etc.

These saints are prayed to, and they are designated by the CCR. Now we all know that saints are made only by God, and they are all who make up the blessed Body of Christ. That would be you and I. The CCR has made a hierarchy fom the pope down to those non-saint commoners...........that would be any simple member of the CCR.

Where, when and how did the practice of gathering wealth in the form of gold, jewels, property (massive), banks, opulant attire complete with gold woven robes, mitres, and all sorts of personal jewlry begin

Is not our gol our faith. Is not our gold precious to God? Is not our treasure laid up in heaven? Remember the Son of Man had no place to lay His Head, and he wore sandals, hardly the "shoes of the fisherman" in the Vatican or in any RCC church for that matter.
 

breno785au

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It does seem strange between then and now, even between our Lord and the same

In the one (then)

Mat 21:5
Tell ye the daughter of Sion,

Behold, thy King cometh unto thee,
meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

In the other (now)

Behold thy pope cometh unto thee
seated in an armored vehicle with three inches of bullet proof glass




What if Peter gets the keys to the Kingdom and these other fella's got the keys to these bullet proof cruisers (which they are free to pass those keys onto their chauffeur's)
Man I'd love to see the guy do a burnout and doughnuts with the pope in the back haha
 
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Matthew 16:17-18
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter,(Petros,pebble) and upon this rock(Petra, a huge mass of rock) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Petros
4074 Pétros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Pétros ("small stone") then stands in contrast to 4073 /pétra ("cliff, boulder," Abbott-Smith).

Petra
4073 pétra (a feminine noun) – "a mass of connected rock," which is distinct from 4074 (Pétros) which is "a detached stone or boulder" (A-S). 4073 (pétra) is a "solid or native rock, rising up through the earth" (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.

4073 (petra) is "a projecting rock, cliff (feminine noun) . . . 4074 (petros, the masculine form) however is a stone . . . such as a man might throw" (S. Zodhiates, Dict).
 

JaumeJ

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Re: Peter, The First Pope?
 

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Mat 16:18
And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.


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MacArthur did make an interesting observation in saying that Peter, having the keys, opened the door of the Gospel first to the Jews (Acts 2), the Samaritans (Acts 8:14-20) and then the Gentiles (Acts 10). Kind of interesting.
That's because he was vested with that specific authority. However, it's revealing that at the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) it wasn't Peter who rendered the council's decision, but James.
 
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The reason the Catholic Church says Peter was the first Pope was to deceive people into joining the Catholic Church. We must understand the Catholic Church did not appear until the 3rd century, long after the True Christian Church was established by Jesus.

Its all about deception. Its all about Power. Did you know most Popes of the Catholic Church were not born again Christians? In fact there even was some Popes who murdered just to be appointed the Pope.

But its not about the Popes today. Its all about the Catholics worshiping Mary as a god. The Catholic Church teaches Mary is equal to Jesus in that Mary can bring Salvation to the Catholics, that Mary can hear your Prayers to her, that Mary can answer your Prayers!

In fact the Catholic Church has put Mary to right hand of Jesus in Heaven.

Today its all about Mary. Every time a Catholic confesses their sins to a Catholic Priest, they are to pray the Hail Mary 50 times just for the forgiveness of their sins! Nothing is said about asking God to forgive them of their sins. Its all about Mary forgiving them of their sins.

Pope John Paul II was a good example of Marian worship. He saw nothing wrong with praying in front of a statue of Mary, thanking her for saving his life when he was shoot. He saw nothing wrong with giving all glory to Mary for protecting him.

Its so sad that today the Catholics have walked away from God to serve Mary as their god.
 
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Peter nor any other person has any more of the access to the keys of the kingdom then any other believer in Christ.
 

Marcelo

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How could Paul have rebuked "the pope"?

When Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Galatians 2:11-16.