How old and big is Jesus?

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know1

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About a week ago, I read some excerpts from a JW who I think believed Jesus was once a man, or at least was born of the Father at one time, hence the title, Son. And therefore doesn't believe that Jesus always existed.
When we think of a mother or father we tend to think of them as a parent or creators of life, and when we think of a son or daughter, we tend to think of them as an offspring or child, with a beginning of life. And in the natural, the word child also suggests, a beginning of life or a starting point of their existence from the parent. So naturally, some may think Jesus had a beginning of life like all natural living things.
I think differently.
What about Jesus' size? Is He only as big as a man?
I think not.
Here are some reasons why I think Jesus is as big and old as the Father.

1Ki8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth?behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee;how much less this house that I have builded?
Jer23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him?saith the LORD. Donot I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

And why do I think this applies to Jesus?
Well, one reason is because He created all things in existence, and He did so by His Spirit.
Yes, Jesus is the architect, but Where His Spirit is, there He is also.
Also, Jesus said,

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
The question we should ask next then is, how big is the Father?
When Jesus said the Father was greater than Himself, He didn't mean in size and strength or power, but in position. Like the parent is over their child.
Just because Jesus became a human being, having the same physical features and stature comparable to all men, doesn't mean that that is His actual size.
Where ever the Word of the Father is, there is Jesus. Which is how God the Father created all things through Jesus. If all things consist and are upheld through the Word of God, then Jesus has to be there upholding and causing all things to consist, even if it is His Spirit.
As for how old Jesus is, I have some questions I think should be pondered before one speculates on conjecture.
How old is the Spirit of God? That is how old Jesus is.
How old is the Word of God?That is how old Jesus is.
How old is the truth? Thatis how old Jesus is.
How old is the light of God?That is how old Jesus is.
How old is the knowledge, wisdom, andunderstanding of God? That is how old Jesus is.
How old is the Heart of God?That is how old Jesus is.
How old is the fullness of God. That is how old Jesus is.
So when God the Father'sWord, Spirit, life, light, truth, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, flesh,Heart, and fullness came into being, just to list a few, so did Jesus.


Psa41:13 Blessed bethe LORD God of Israel fromeverlasting,and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
Psa90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formedthe earth and the world, even fromeverlastingto everlasting, thou artGod.
Psa93:2 Thy throne isestablished of old: thouartfrom everlasting.
Psa106:48 Blessed bethe LORD God of Israel fromeverlastingto everlasting: and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD.
Pro8:12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of wittyinventions.
Pro8:13 The fear of the LORD isto hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the frowardmouth, do I hate.
Pro8:14 Counsel ismine, and sound wisdom: I amunderstanding; I have strength.
Pro8:22TheLORD possessed me in the beginning of his way,before his works of old.
Pro8:23Iwas set upfromeverlasting, from the beginning,or ever the earth was.
Isa63:16 Doubtless thou artour father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledgeus not: thou, O LORD, artour father, our redeemer; thyname isfrom everlasting.
Mic5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, thoughthou be little among the thousands of Judah, yetout of thee shallhe come forthunto me thatisto be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth havebeenfrom of old, fromeverlasting.
Hab1:12Artthou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One?we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and,O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
[The title, "Holy One", is given to none other than Jesus Christ Himself.]
Psa103:17Butthe mercy of the LORD isfromeverlastingto everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness untochildren's children;
Isa43:10 Ye aremy witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: thatye may know and believe me, and understand that I amhe: beforeme there was no God formed,neither shall there be after me.
Isa43:11 I, evenI, amthe LORD; and beside me thereisno saviour.
 

hornetguy

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JW's do not see Jesus as God.

That is why they adjusted their "bible" to say in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was "a" god."

(I added the quotation marks to emphasize the letter a... )
 

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JW's do not see Jesus as God.

That is why they adjusted their "bible" to say in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was "a" god."

(I added the quotation marks to emphasize the letter a... )
Years ago, I had s JW friend at work. What you have said about their bible is true. For Christmas one year I gave this friend a NKJ bible. It was graciously received. It took only the addition of a single letter to totally twist the whole bible and who Jesus really is. He is not 'a' god. He is God.
 

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For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Is 9:6)
 

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JW's do not see Jesus as God.

That is why they adjusted their "bible" to say in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was "a" god."

(I added the quotation marks to emphasize the letter a... )
Yeah, a number of years ago I had some JWs sit down at my house, first thing I confirmed is that they don't believe Jesus is God, we both got our bibles out and both read that passage, I pointed out their discrepancy, they wanted to argue about it, I asked them to leave. All these cults are doing is making people carbon copies of themselves, they will all tell you the same thing because they are told what to believe and how to interpret scripture.
 
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among other things, JW's reject the trinity and they reject Jesus as being equal to God (well obviously if they reject the trinity)

they consider anyone who is not a JW as a goat

they have their own translation of the Bible called the The New World Translation that is rejected by every Bible scholar who has ever read it...changing references to Christ's divinity and so on

and myriad other things

JW's are considered a cult
 

know1

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among other things, JW's reject the trinity and they reject Jesus as being equal to God (well obviously if they reject the trinity)

they consider anyone who is not a JW as a goat

they have their own translation of the Bible called the The New World Translation that is rejected by every Bible scholar who has ever read it...changing references to Christ's divinity and so on

and myriad other things

JW's are considered a cult
A Goat?!
Now that's funny.
The changes they made sound a lot like the changes the early Catholic church made to both the codex Vaticanus and Sinaiticus.
 

Zmouth

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For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Is 9:6)
The Romans see him as the Son of Ceasar, the man deified as God by the Roman Republic prior to the birth of the Roman Empire in 27 B.C. At which point the emperors were thereafter referred unto as Divi Filius or the Son of God. At the time of Jesus birth, the Roman Emperor was Caesar Divi Filius Augustus. And in the 1 John 3:1 is referencing Roman Emperor Tiberius Caesar Divi Filius Augustus.
 
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A Goat?!
Now that's funny.
The changes they made sound a lot like the changes the early Catholic church made to both the codex Vaticanus and Sinaiticus.

the real goats don't like it

they may go on strike
 
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PurerInHeart

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This might come as a shock to some, but after reading much bible over the years, I believe both that Jesus was created and that Jesus is God. I believe that God the Father said, "Let there be Light" on day one, and that that Light (Jesus) then spoke all of creation into existence. (It wasn't until day four that there was sun, moon, and stars for physical light).

You are physically half your biological mother, and half your biological father. But what if you only came from your father? Physically, you would be exactly what he is. Well, God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him (Jesus). If you made someone come from you, you would have to exist first, and if they came from you, then they have a beginning. But He will now live for all eternity- we all will, it's only a matter of where.
 

know1

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This might come as a shock to some, but after reading much bible over the years, I believe both that Jesus was created and that Jesus is God. I believe that God the Father said, "Let there be Light" on day one, and that that Light (Jesus) then spoke all of creation into existence. (It wasn't until day four that there was sun, moon, and stars for physical light).

You are physically half your biological mother, and half your biological father. But what if you only came from your father? Physically, you would be exactly what he is. Well, God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him (Jesus). If you made someone come from you, you would have to exist first, and if they came from you, then they have a beginning. But He will now live for all eternity- we all will, it's only a matter of where.
Hab1:12Artthou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One?we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and,O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
[The title, "Holy One", is given to none other than Jesus Christ Himself.]
 

crossnote

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This might come as a shock to some, but after reading much bible over the years, I believe both that Jesus was created and that Jesus is God. I believe that God the Father said, "Let there be Light" on day one, and that that Light (Jesus) then spoke all of creation into existence. (It wasn't until day four that there was sun, moon, and stars for physical light).

You are physically half your biological mother, and half your biological father. But what if you only came from your father? Physically, you would be exactly what he is. Well, God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him (Jesus). If you made someone come from you, you would have to exist first, and if they came from you, then they have a beginning. But He will now live for all eternity- we all will, it's only a matter of where.
To be created and to be God is impossible even by definition.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (Joh 1:1)

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
(Joh 1:14)
 
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This might come as a shock to some, but after reading much bible over the years, I believe both that Jesus was created and that Jesus is God. I believe that God the Father said, "Let there be Light" on day one, and that that Light (Jesus) then spoke all of creation into existence. (It wasn't until day four that there was sun, moon, and stars for physical light).

You are physically half your biological mother, and half your biological father. But what if you only came from your father? Physically, you would be exactly what he is. Well, God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him (Jesus). If you made someone come from you, you would have to exist first, and if they came from you, then they have a beginning. But He will now live for all eternity- we all will, it's only a matter of where.
If Jesus had been created, He would cease to be God. God is the uncreated Creator. Being the Son of God means Jesus is the fullness of God, not that He was 'born' from God at some stage. We're told not to worship creation, but the Creator. If we worshipped Jesus and He was part of creation, that would mean we were worshipping creation. But it would also mean that Jesus was corrupted by sin (because the whole of creation was corrupted by sin). But Jesus is God's Son and God, so your theory has no merit.
 
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excerpts from a JW.
A lot on this site and elsewhere criticize the Jehovah's Witnesses unfairly imho, the Governing Body of JW's have admonished and published some fine articles, and around our way they are the only true acting Christians that follow in Jesus foosteps and Jesus commanded his followers to preach from house to house village to village city to city. I can see Scripturally why they object to idolatory and the use of the cross in worship to God and I can see why they say Jesus is in subordination to his Father, and they actually use the name of the God of the Bible which they say appears thousands of times in the Christians Holy Bible. God is a title, God – YHWH (translated Jehovah in English) why is God's personal name missing in many places from many Bibles?






Here are some reasons why I think Jesus is as old as the Father.
A son can not be the same age as his father, a father cannot be his own son, I think the trinity doctrine is absurd, incongruous.












Watch the works of the devil begin the attack on me after saying this.
 
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Being the Son of God means Jesus is the fullness of God, not that He was 'born' from God at some stage.
In your opinion or interpretation of the Bible.
 
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Funny thing about JW's I had one come to my house about two years ago to try to convert me and my family. I started to quote scripture to them and preached about the Lord Jesus Christ and His saving grace until they walked away. I see them walking down the street every once in a while and always seem to miss my house now. :confused:
 

crossnote

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A lot on this site and elsewhere criticize the Jehovah's Witnesses unfairly imho, the Governing Body of JW's have admonished and published some fine articles, and around our way they are the only true acting Christians that follow in Jesus foosteps and Jesus commanded his followers to preach from house to house village to village city to city. I can see Scripturally why they object to idolatory and the use of the cross in worship to God and I can see why they say Jesus is in subordination to his Father, and they actually use the name of the God of the Bible which they say appears thousands of times in the Christians Holy Bible. God is a title, God – YHWH (translated Jehovah in English) why is God's personal name missing in many places from many Bibles?


A son can not be the same age as his father, a father cannot be his own son, I think the trinity doctrine is absurd, incongruous.


Watch the works of the devil begin the attack on me after saying this.
Pleeeze...

Is Jesus the Arch-angel Michael?



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Is Jesus Christ the created archangel Michael?
Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe God came from heaven to earth, yet they cannot deny someone came down. So they shift the identity of the one who ascended to an arch angel, Michael. Jesus is supposedly Michael because his name means ‘who is like God. "It proves Michael the archangel is no other than the only begotten son of God, now Jesus Christ. The very name Michael means who is like God and indicates Jehovah God is without like or equal." (New Heavens and New Earth pg.30-31). Jesus is actually the incarnation of Michael the Arch angel and resumed the name when he ascended intoheaven ( ibid. pg.30 Your will be done on earth pg.316 )

If one investigates church history not even the Arians who started the idea Jesus was a created being with divine qualities believed he was an angel. No one in the church history (at least of any influence, good or bad) has ever presented Jesus as Michael the arch angel.
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PurerInHeart

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Hab1:12Artthou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One?we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and,O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
[The title, "Holy One", is given to none other than Jesus Christ Himself.]

​He is from the Father, Who is everlasting, so yeah, He's FROM everlasting.
 

crossnote

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Okay, with all this silliness, one thing we can say. Some of us have a different Jesus.
Some have Him as God Almighty and some as a 'lesser' than Almighty God.
We do not have the same God.
He can't be both.
Only the true Jesus saves...not a mimicker.