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kelly931

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I just wanted to know if believe and faith are one and the same thing and if they have a measure?
 
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Hello...welcome to CC

Believe is the verb and faith is the noun. They mean the same thing. It's the "object" of your faith and believing that counts. Faith can grow as we get our minds renewed to the truth of what Jesus has already done for us in His finished work. God has given everyone the measure of faith too.
 

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Hello!

I just wanted to know if believe and faith are one and the same thing and if they have a measure?
Measurable in loving God and doing good works to others.
 

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Hello!

I just wanted to know if believe and faith are one and the same thing and if they have a measure?
To take this a step further, do any want to venture on the difference between 'believe in' and 'trust in'?

Here are two examples to work from ...

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world,1 that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.(ESV)

Hebrews 2:13 And again, "I will put my trust in him." And again, "Behold, I and the children God has given me." (ESV)
 

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The Children of God must show Gods faith by their works, KJV, James2;18,Yea,a man may say,Thou hast faith, and I have works; shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my Works.;What kind of works? The Bible says, Its the good works, KJV,Ephesians2;10, For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.;For many of His Children are mane goal in their lives, Thanks the Lord for this kind opportunity to serve Him.
 
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To take this a step further, do any want to venture on the difference between 'believe in' and 'trust in'?

Here are two examples to work from ...

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world,1 that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.(ESV)

Hebrews 2:13 And again, "I will put my trust in him." And again, "Behold, I and the children God has given me." (ESV)

Both the word "to believe" and "to trust" are from the same root word. To trust means to be persuaded or to depend on.

Us Christians can believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus and His salvation and be born-again but there is also another layer in that we can be persuaded and depend on His work only for salvation and for everything we need in this life.

It's like the Judaizers that came in after every place Paul preached the gospel - they came in to add their own works unto what Christ has already done.

These types of "believers" are not fully persuaded that Jesus alone is enough for salvation and so they put a "but" after "by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God".

Here is an example of the same Greek word used in Heb. 2:13.

Romans 8:38 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
 

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Both the word "to believe" and "to trust" are from the same root word. To trust means to be persuaded or to depend on.

Us Christians can believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus and His salvation and be born-again but there is also another layer in that we can be persuaded and depend on His work only for salvation and for everything we need in this life.

It's like the Judaizers that came in after every place Paul preached the gospel - they came in to add their own works unto what Christ has already done.

These types of "believers" are not fully persuaded that Jesus alone is enough for salvation and so they put a "but" after "by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God".

Here is an example of the same Greek word used in Heb. 2:13.

Romans 8:38 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
πείθω peitho 'trust in' has the idea of 'confidence in'
whereas
πιστεύω pisteuo 'believe in' carries an additional 'intellectual assent' as well as confidence in.
 

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Belief is accepting Jesus, faith is the demonstration of what we believe. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1). As mentioned, James 2 indicates that true faith is backed by good works. A person can be a believer, but if they claim to believe one thing and do the opposite, you get into that hypocrite arena. Just as a man or woman is faithful to their spouse, its that's same type of faith that keeps us true to Christ.. Belief is action, faith is substance. As Jesus said; "Thy faith hath made thee whole" (Luke 17:19).. jmo
 
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πείθω peitho 'trust in' has the idea of 'confidence in'
whereas
πιστεύω pisteuo 'believe in' carries an additional 'intellectual assent' as well as confidence in.
Yes....there are slight differences. I suppose in order to believe with your heart - your head must be involved somewhat too so 'intellectual assent' would have to be there too.

All the "believing " verses use ( πιστεύω pisteuo 'believe in' ) when talking about salvation in Christ for going to be with Him.

Romans 10:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Learning how to depend ( πείθω peitho 'trust in'
) on Him for everything in this life is a life long progress.

The more we see Him for who He is in our lives - the more we can depend on Him. He does remain faithful to us in all things!


 
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PurerInHeart

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Hello!

I just wanted to know if believe and faith are one and the same thing and if they have a measure?
'Faith' is belief, but 'the Faith' is more specifically the active belief in the doctrine of Christ. One Lord, one Faith, one baptism.
 
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Belief and faith can, and usually do, mean the same thing. However, James talks about a faith that cannot save, and in that case he was referring to mental belief alone. Saving faith encompasses the whole being, not just the mind.
 

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'Faith' is belief, but 'the Faith' is more specifically the active belief in the doctrine of Christ. One Lord, one Faith, one baptism.
'The faith' more accurately has to do with the body of teaching presented to us by the Apostles rather than 'our' belief in it.

Gal_1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.


Jud_1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
 
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PurerInHeart

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'The faith' more accurately has to do with the body of teaching presented to us by the Apostles rather than 'our' belief in it.

Gal_1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.


Jud_1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
What I meant was a belief that cause you to act, to do what the New Testament scriptures say. The meaning of these writings come from Christ Who commanded His apostles to write them down. You pointed out Galatians 1:23 "THE FAITH which he once destroyed" is the same as saying " the doctrine he once destroyed." A teaching of this person Jesus Christ. It has been asked of me, "Of which faith are you? Catholic? Baptist? Or what?" And I told them, "There is only one Lord, one faith, and one baptism." Sure, there are many false ones, but only one church that Christ purchased with His blood. To all the other false religions out there God says this, "They worship Me in vain, their doctrine is merely human rules."
 

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The word translated believe is found in the Greek lexicon of the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and is defined as follows: #4100; pisteuō which means "to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ).

The word translated faith is found in the Greek lexicon of the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance and is defined as follows: #4102; pistis; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:--assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

The Greek words for "pistis" and "pisteuo" are two forms of the same word. "Pistis" is the noun form, "pisteuo" is the verb form.

The word "believe" can describe mere "mental assent belief," as in James 2:19, or also include "trust and reliance in Christ for salvation," as in Acts 16:31. In James 2:19, the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

Romans 12:3 - For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.
 
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The word "believe" can describe mere "mental assent belief," as in James 2:19, or also include "trust and reliance in Christ for salvation," as in Acts 16:31. In James 2:19, the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not[/U] believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation.[/B] Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
I believe that can be described as mental belief alone in Christ alone by grace alone through faith alone.
 

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I believe that can be described as mental belief alone in Christ alone by grace alone through faith alone.
Belief that entrusts it's spiritual well being to Christ (Acts 16:31) goes beyond "mere mental assent belief," as in James 2:19. Once again, in James 2:19, the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

The word "alone" in regards to salvation through faith in "Christ alone" conveys the message that Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not on the merits of our works. It is through faith IN CHRIST alone (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 4:4-6; 5:1); yet the faith that justifies is "never alone" (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). Simple!
 
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Belief that entrusts it's spiritual well being to Christ (Acts 16:31) goes beyond "mere mental assent belief," as in James 2:19. Once again, in James 2:19, the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

The word "alone" in regards to salvation through faith in "Christ alone" conveys the message that Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not on the merits of our works. It is through faith IN CHRIST alone (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 4:4-6; 5:1); yet the faith that justifies is "never alone" (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). Simple!
"Belief that entrusts it's spiritual well being to Christ" means doing his words because that is what he conditioned salvation upon.

Faith in "Christ alone" means the exact opposite, i.e., faith in a man in which doing works of obedience to him are forbidden.
 

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"Belief that entrusts it's spiritual well being to Christ" means doing his words because that is what he conditioned salvation upon.
Believers do His words/do what He says BECAUSE we are saved, not to become saved. So how much must one "do" before they are finally saved? You confuse descriptive passages of Scripture with prescriptive passages of Scripture and continue to teach salvation by works.

Faith in "Christ alone" means the exact opposite, i.e., faith in a man in which doing works of obedience to him are forbidden.
No it doesn't. You just fail to understand because of your unbelief. Faith in "Christ alone" means that we are trusting in "Christ alone" for salvation and not in works. Doing works of obedience are what believers are saved FOR and NOT BY (Ephesians 2:8-10). Works are the fruit of salvation and not the root of it. It's not hard to understand. Just hard for you to ACCEPT because you trust in works for salvation.
 

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To take this a step further, do any want to venture on the difference between 'believe in' and 'trust in'?

Here are two examples to work from ...

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world,1 that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.(ESV)

Hebrews 2:13 And again, "I will put my trust in him." And again, "Behold, I and the children God has given me." (ESV)
This all came up in a discussion I had yesterday........belief/faith/trust.

One point I would stress is the difference between "believing in," and "believing of." A lot of non-believers mix these two up, as do some believers.

Believing in Christ is to be a follower of Christ, and having put ones faith/trust in Christ.

Believing of Christ, as do the demons themselves, is simply believing that Christ does exist.
 
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Believers do His words/do what He says BECAUSE we are saved, not to become saved. So how much must one "do" before they are finally saved? You confuse descriptive passages of Scripture with prescriptive passages of Scripture and continue to teach salvation by works.

No it doesn't. You just fail to understand because of your unbelief. Faith in "Christ alone" means that we are trusting in "Christ alone" for salvation and not in works. Doing works of obedience are what believers are saved FOR and NOT BY (Ephesians 2:8-10). Works are the fruit of salvation and not the root of it. It's not hard to understand. Just hard for you to ACCEPT because you trust in works for salvation.
I've not read anyone here saying that we must do his words to become saved. We must do his words to remain saved.

Becoming saved is just another way of saying being justified, which only happens through faith in the death of Christ. Faith alone, you might say.

Remaining saved is abiding in the new life that results from that justification. Scripture is very clear that this only happens through obedience.