The Bible is full of Truth—but not all truth is created equal.

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I thought this short article would be good for all of us when it comes to scripture in context and how to rightly divide the scripture.

The Bible is full of Truth—but not all truth is created equal.

The best way that I know to describe it is to say that the Bible contains truth from cover to cover. Some truth is unimportant, and some is extremely important.

But there is truth that is essential to our Christian walk. It’s what we believe about the essential, foundational truths of the New Testament that determines whether or not we experience the kind of guilt-free living God designed for us to live.

Many people know about God. They may even know the Bible or have been influenced in some way by biblical thought. But most people have never experienced God for who He really is. Even those of us who desire to know God and read our Bibles daily often misjudge what it says because we read it as a regular book and tend to think that it is a progressive revelation of God. But as New Testament believers, it is important to realize that there is only one true revelation of God, and that is—Jesus Christ, His Son.

John 1:18 in the Amplified Bible says: No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

Jesus, is the only One who has ever seen God for who He really is. He is the sole and exact representation of God. It is through Him alone that we can correctly interpret what the Bible says about God and about us.

Only through Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross, can we rightly understand the truths of Scripture—both Old and New Testament. He is the lens we look through to know and experience God for who He really is.

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Jesus is the foundational and essential truth we must use to build and establish our beliefs and doctrines. But what if I read something, Arthur, that doesn’t line up with who Jesus is? Then that truth is not essential; it does not apply to us—even if it’s in the Bible. But Arthur, the Bible is true. The Bible is true—but Jesus, who He is and what He accomplished in and through His finished work is “The Truth!”

Everything written in Scripture is “God-breathed” or “God inspired” according to 2 Timothy 3:16. God inspired the writers of the Bible to record their experiences with Him to reveal Christ. Does that negate their experience? No. But does that mean their experience becomes Truth simply because it is in a book we call the Bible? No.

In the book of Job, we find a man of God experiencing tragedy. His friends come to “encourage him” with their opinions of who God is and what he needs to do to reconcile himself to God.
Nine chapters consist wholly of their opinions—it is recorded in Scripture and Holy Spirit inspired, but they were all wrong!

God even spoke to Job and said, “Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?” (Job 38:2 NIV) And Job himself had to repent. Not for anything he’d done that brought about his experience, but because he had misinterpreted and misrepresented God. He said, “Surely I spoke of things I did not understand…My ears had heard of you, but now my eyes have seen you…I repent” (Job 41:3, 5-6 NIV). Job essentially said, “I’m sorry, God. I let others tell me who You were and did not know you for myself.”

It’s essential to know God for yourself—and vital to build our doctrines and beliefs on the rock of Jesus Christ—the essential Truth. We can’t attempt to lay a foundation on the sandy shores of our limited knowledge or experience. Standing on the Rock of Truth, we are able to experience the guilt-free life God designed for us in Him!

…But now you have had every stain washed off: now you have been set apart as holy: now you have been pronounced free from guilt; in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and through the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:11 (Weymouth)

-Blessings, Arthur

Arthur Meintjes Kingdom Life Ministry




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2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.



 

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The Bible is full of Truth—but not all truth is created equal.
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YES YES YES --- i dont debate the bible
 
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I thought this short article would be good for all of us when it comes to scripture in context and how to rightly divide the scripture.

The Bible is full of Truth—but not all truth is created equal.

The best way that I know to describe it is to say that the Bible contains truth from cover to cover. Some truth is unimportant, and some is extremely important.

But there is truth that is essential to our Christian walk. It’s what we believe about the essential, foundational truths of the New Testament that determines whether or not we experience the kind of guilt-free living God designed for us to live.

Many people know about God. They may even know the Bible or have been influenced in some way by biblical thought. But most people have never experienced God for who He really is. Even those of us who desire to know God and read our Bibles daily often misjudge what it says because we read it as a regular book and tend to think that it is a progressive revelation of God. But as New Testament believers, it is important to realize that there is only one true revelation of God, and that is—Jesus Christ, His Son.

John 1:18 in the Amplified Bible says: No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

Jesus, is the only One who has ever seen God for who He really is. He is the sole and exact representation of God. It is through Him alone that we can correctly interpret what the Bible says about God and about us.

Only through Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross, can we rightly understand the truths of Scripture—both Old and New Testament. He is the lens we look through to know and experience God for who He really is.

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Jesus is the foundational and essential truth we must use to build and establish our beliefs and doctrines. But what if I read something, Arthur, that doesn’t line up with who Jesus is? Then that truth is not essential; it does not apply to us—even if it’s in the Bible. But Arthur, the Bible is true. The Bible is true—but Jesus, who He is and what He accomplished in and through His finished work is “The Truth!”

Everything written in Scripture is “God-breathed” or “God inspired” according to 2 Timothy 3:16. God inspired the writers of the Bible to record their experiences with Him to reveal Christ. Does that negate their experience? No. But does that mean their experience becomes Truth simply because it is in a book we call the Bible? No.

In the book of Job, we find a man of God experiencing tragedy. His friends come to “encourage him” with their opinions of who God is and what he needs to do to reconcile himself to God.
Nine chapters consist wholly of their opinions—it is recorded in Scripture and Holy Spirit inspired, but they were all wrong!

God even spoke to Job and said, “Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?” (Job 38:2 NIV) And Job himself had to repent. Not for anything he’d done that brought about his experience, but because he had misinterpreted and misrepresented God. He said, “Surely I spoke of things I did not understand…My ears had heard of you, but now my eyes have seen you…I repent” (Job 41:3, 5-6 NIV). Job essentially said, “I’m sorry, God. I let others tell me who You were and did not know you for myself.”

It’s essential to know God for yourself—and vital to build our doctrines and beliefs on the rock of Jesus Christ—the essential Truth. We can’t attempt to lay a foundation on the sandy shores of our limited knowledge or experience. Standing on the Rock of Truth, we are able to experience the guilt-free life God designed for us in Him!

…But now you have had every stain washed off: now you have been set apart as holy: now you have been pronounced free from guilt; in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and through the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:11 (Weymouth)

-Blessings, Arthur

Arthur Meintjes Kingdom Life Ministry



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Where does it say God wants us to live a guilt-free life? 2 Corinthians 7:9 shows us that guilt leads us to repentance, as God intended.
 

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1 John 2 KJV


Do Not Love the World

15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Shalom
 
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I thought this short article would be good for all of us when it comes to scripture in context and how to rightly divide the scripture.

The Bible is full of Truth—but not all truth is created equal.

The best way that I know to describe it is to say that the Bible contains truth from cover to cover. Some truth is unimportant, and some is extremely important.

But there is truth that is essential to our Christian walk. It’s what we believe about the essential, foundational truths of the New Testament that determines whether or not we experience the kind of guilt-free living God designed for us to live.

Many people know about God. They may even know the Bible or have been influenced in some way by biblical thought. But most people have never experienced God for who He really is. Even those of us who desire to know God and read our Bibles daily often misjudge what it says because we read it as a regular book and tend to think that it is a progressive revelation of God. But as New Testament believers, it is important to realize that there is only one true revelation of God, and that is—Jesus Christ, His Son.

John 1:18 in the Amplified Bible says: No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

Jesus, is the only One who has ever seen God for who He really is. He is the sole and exact representation of God. It is through Him alone that we can correctly interpret what the Bible says about God and about us.

Only through Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross, can we rightly understand the truths of Scripture—both Old and New Testament. He is the lens we look through to know and experience God for who He really is.

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Jesus is the foundational and essential truth we must use to build and establish our beliefs and doctrines. But what if I read something, Arthur, that doesn’t line up with who Jesus is? Then that truth is not essential; it does not apply to us—even if it’s in the Bible. But Arthur, the Bible is true. The Bible is true—but Jesus, who He is and what He accomplished in and through His finished work is “The Truth!”

Everything written in Scripture is “God-breathed” or “God inspired” according to 2 Timothy 3:16. God inspired the writers of the Bible to record their experiences with Him to reveal Christ. Does that negate their experience? No. But does that mean their experience becomes Truth simply because it is in a book we call the Bible? No.

In the book of Job, we find a man of God experiencing tragedy. His friends come to “encourage him” with their opinions of who God is and what he needs to do to reconcile himself to God.
Nine chapters consist wholly of their opinions—it is recorded in Scripture and Holy Spirit inspired, but they were all wrong!

God even spoke to Job and said, “Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?” (Job 38:2 NIV) And Job himself had to repent. Not for anything he’d done that brought about his experience, but because he had misinterpreted and misrepresented God. He said, “Surely I spoke of things I did not understand…My ears had heard of you, but now my eyes have seen you…I repent” (Job 41:3, 5-6 NIV). Job essentially said, “I’m sorry, God. I let others tell me who You were and did not know you for myself.”

It’s essential to know God for yourself—and vital to build our doctrines and beliefs on the rock of Jesus Christ—the essential Truth. We can’t attempt to lay a foundation on the sandy shores of our limited knowledge or experience. Standing on the Rock of Truth, we are able to experience the guilt-free life God designed for us in Him!

…But now you have had every stain washed off: now you have been set apart as holy: now you have been pronounced free from guilt; in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and through the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:11 (Weymouth)

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Statements like these are just misleading and can lead people to discount portions of scripture or to lift up other portions as it suits them. It can show a lack in understanding of the entire Bible and its purpose. The WHOLE Bible is about God, that's the reason why we have it, so that we can know God. Jesus came to show us the Father, so that we might know Him. The Bible and Jesus both tell the same story about the same God.

To say that some parts have more 'Truth' than others is wrong and dangerous.

I do like that the article says we are to look to Jesus - who was our example - as to how to approach the scriptures. I find a story in Matthew 23:23 that deals with this:
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former."

The Pharisees were tithing spices - holding fast to the portion of scripture regarding tithing - but they were neglecting another portion of scripture regarding justice, mercy and faithfulness.

Point 1 - article is correct that there are more important parts of scripture
Jesus says that there are 'more important' parts - which in turn implies that there are less important parts i feel.

Point 2 - article is incorrect that the more important and less important parts are not equal
Jesus then goes on to tell them that we are to follow both the important (justice, mercy and faithfulness) without neglecting the former parts (tithing).
So in Jesus' eyes, there might be a more important part of the law and a less important part, but they are both still to be kept and followed as they are both Truth.

All of the Word of God is True (Psalm 119:160 160 All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.)
Gods Word is flawless/pure (Psalm 12:6 And the words of the Lord are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times.)
And as the article quoted; 2 Timothy 3:16 - ALL scripture is God breathed...

All scripture - according to what I read from Jesus in Mat 23:23 - is on the same level in terms of authority/equality and all should be kept as such.

Build on Jesus Christ my friend, but if you think that God did not intend for every part of scripture to be there and to be followed, learnt from and understood, then you need to have a look at Jesus again. For He is the One who said that not a jot or tittle will pass away (Matthew 5:18) until the end. If Jesus held that everything is Truth and equal and so important that it must remain till the end, then we should too.

Chips1024
 

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Who said Truth was created?

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
(Joh 14:6)
(hehe)

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
(Jas 1:17)
 
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Where does it say God wants us to live a guilt-free life? 2 Corinthians 7:9 shows us that guilt leads us to repentance, as God intended.
Having sorrow is vastly difference then guilt. Guilt is a not a tool of heaven nor is condemnation or shame. These are all tools of our enemy and a by-product of sin which Jesus came to take away.

Guilt is a confession that you are not forgiven.

Condemnation is a confession that your life is worthy to be judged.

Shame is a confession that what I am ashamed of is still who I am.

All these are anti-Christ truths.
 
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I had an insight into this particular issue. It centres around the concept of what is the bible and what is Jesus.

Jesus is the message, the word of God, the incarnation and the bible testifies to Him written by flawed and limited disciples.
God did not write the bible, so it is not "the truth", it is a way to find Jesus, the truth.

The reason I make this distinction is because some tend to think of the bible as Gods gift alone, but it is a testimony to Gods gifts. It is in having Gods gift in your heart that you are saved, faith, love forgiveness and the Holy Spirit.

God could have written a book which were just His thoughts. Forget the cross etc. and all the failure and struggles, and just forgiven us a book, if that was the important issues. But Jesus did not do that because what is important is the relationship, one to one, and love working in your heart. The downside is you have to get real, take ownership, and choose to walk. The bible is a guide to that walk, but only works if you walk. It is why the bible becomes irrelevant to heretics because they no longer have the relationship so do not need the guide.
 
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Statements like these are just misleading and can lead people to discount portions of scripture or to lift up other portions as it suits them. It can show a lack in understanding of the entire Bible and its purpose. The WHOLE Bible is about God, that's the reason why we have it, so that we can know God. Jesus came to show us the Father, so that we might know Him. The Bible and Jesus both tell the same story about the same God.

To say that some parts have more 'Truth' than others is wrong and dangerous.

I do like that the article says we are to look to Jesus - who was our example - as to how to approach the scriptures. I find a story in Matthew 23:23 that deals with this:
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former."

The Pharisees were tithing spices - holding fast to the portion of scripture regarding tithing - but they were neglecting another portion of scripture regarding justice, mercy and faithfulness.

Point 1 - article is correct that there are more important parts of scripture
Jesus says that there are 'more important' parts - which in turn implies that there are less important parts i feel.

Point 2 - article is incorrect that the more important and less important parts are not equal
Jesus then goes on to tell them that we are to follow both the important (justice, mercy and faithfulness) without neglecting the former parts (tithing).
So in Jesus' eyes, there might be a more important part of the law and a less important part, but they are both still to be kept and followed as they are both Truth.

All of the Word of God is True (Psalm 119:160 160 All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.)
Gods Word is flawless/pure (Psalm 12:6 And the words of the Lord are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times.)
And as the article quoted; 2 Timothy 3:16 - ALL scripture is God breathed...

All scripture - according to what I read from Jesus in Mat 23:23 - is on the same level in terms of authority/equality and all should be kept as such.

Build on Jesus Christ my friend, but if you think that God did not intend for every part of scripture to be there and to be followed, learnt from and understood, then you need to have a look at Jesus again. For He is the One who said that not a jot or tittle will pass away (Matthew 5:18) until the end. If Jesus held that everything is Truth and equal and so important that it must remain till the end, then we should too.

Chips1024
You have some good points but I will give you an example of what I believe the OP is trying to focus on.

This below is a truth in scripture.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is a truth but it is not the Truth. If we don't filter everything through Jesus and His finished work for us on the Cross and resurrection we will have a bunch of religious nuts spouting off scripture completely out of context.

Every scripture is there for us to learn from it in some form but to follow every scripture as it is stated without factoring in the finished work of Christ is spiritual ignorance gone to seed and very destructive. People will be stoning every second person and we will end up like these crazy religious nutcases that do stupid things in the name of the Lord.


I heard someone say one time that the bible is the most dangerous book on earth and at the same time the most wonderful book. It all depends on how we divide the word of truth and if we factor in what Jesus has done.

Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of our loving Father. Jesus changed everything with His New Covenant. We can learn from other truths but Jesus is the Truth.




 
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Who said Truth was created?

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
(Joh 14:6)
(hehe)

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
(Jas 1:17)

It's just a play on the word....he didn't mean that truth was "created" in the sense of having a beginning..as you well know...it means "not made equal"

That was the whole point of the OP....Jesus is the Truth. He supersedes everything!
 
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Having sorrow is vastly difference then guilt. Guilt is a not a tool of heaven nor is condemnation or shame. These are all tools of our enemy and a by-product of sin which Jesus came to take away.

Guilt is a confession that you are not forgiven.

Condemnation is a confession that your life is worthy to be judged.

Shame is a confession that what I am ashamed of is still who I am.

All these are anti-Christ truths.
Then Hezekiah repented of the pride of his heart, as did the people of Jerusalem; therefore the Lord’s wrath did not come on them during the days of Hezekiah.
2 Chronicles 32:26

This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says: “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it."
Isaiah 30:15

“The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the Lord.
Isaiah 59:20

For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!
Ezekiel 18:32

Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”
When Jonah’s warning reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust.
Jonah 3:4,6

When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
Acts 2:37-38

In all the above verses people are asked to be convicted and to admit their sins are evil and to stop doing them.

Grace7x77 is saying this conviction of not of God. Based on the above verses Grace7x77 is not of God
 
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What is illuminating is when people claim to know what is a "tool" of heaven and what is not. Satan is a tool of heaven, as much as any lost soul.

Nothing is outside Gods plans and desires. It is through our suffering He brings His truth to show it overcomes everything.
Job was tested, to show His faith and praise was not based on reward but His relationship with the Father.

As christians we stand with Jesus in love, because we know that love, righteousness and purity are life itself.
When asked to compromise we ignore because nothing is better or more important than these issues. In a sense these issues are above God, because God in His nature are these issues. There is a strange tension between those who love will also love God and Jesus because He is love itself. It is why the pharisees did not recognise Jesus, because their hearts were set on power and domination, even set in a law of love, yet love did not dwell within them.

I have found also christians who will tell you about their spiritual authority, and history, and influence, but when you talk about the heart, being real, showing love above anything else they fall silent and will attack and try and destroy you.

Put simply knowing what is in the heart of a person takes time to get to know, and those wolves in sheeps clothing appear the same, until you find how they handle love itself.
 
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Then Hezekiah repented of the pride of his heart, as did the people of Jerusalem; therefore the Lord’s wrath did not come on them during the days of Hezekiah.
2 Chronicles 32:26

This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says: “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it."
Isaiah 30:15

“The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the Lord.
Isaiah 59:20

For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!
Ezekiel 18:32

Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”
When Jonah’s warning reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust.
Jonah 3:4,6

When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
Acts 2:37-38

In all the above verses people are asked to be convicted and to admit their sins are evil and to stop doing them.

Grace7x77 is saying this conviction of not of God. Based on the above verses Grace7x77 is not of God

Peter, Peter..why do you continually take things out of context? Christ came to take away the guilt and condemnation and shame. Isn't that good news Peter?

Who says that sins are not wrong and not to admit them? There is your imaginary straw-man being erected in your mind again.

There is a difference between guilt and conviction too. Conviction in Greek means to "convince, expose, confute, refute".



 
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Peter, Peter..why do you continually take things out of context? Christ came to take away the guilt and condemnation and shame. Isn't that good news Peter?
This sounds like a modern psychologists view of God. The problem people have in their lives is not sin it is the guilt and bad feelings they have about sin they would say. Remove the bad feelings and everything will be alright.

Christ came to bring us into a relationship with Him and thereby the Kingdom of Heaven.
The consequence of walking in righteousness and purity with Christ is freedom from guilt, condemnation and shame, but it is not why we walk with Jesus. Feeling bad about things can be removed by searing your conscience, ignoring your sin and becoming hard hearted, which if that is your goal, is the opposite of walking with Jesus but has the same release from these feelings.

So I cannot agree with you at all.
 
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By the way Grace7x77 condescending pictures of holding your face in ones hands presupposes I am effected by such sentiments. I am not because they demonstrate you emotional manipulation and not addressing the issues seriously.

But then the groups you support and theology you push is always about something different than it first appears.
Few christians would say the Lords prayer is not our prayer, but you do. And often when called to task over such points, you say that is not true, that is slander. But quoting people and posting people who say exactly that and then disowning it is being two faced.

I simply hold to Jesus's words and how they speak to my heart. They are eternal and alive. There was a time when I did not fully appreciate this, but then I was very emotionally immature.
 
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You have some good points but I will give you an example of what I believe the OP is trying to focus on.

This below is a truth in scripture.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is a truth but it is not the Truth.

Grace my friend... your doctrine does not sound very sound there buddy...

"Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book - that is the truth. Those who have sin, will not have their names in the Lambs Book of Life. That is the truth.

The Bible tells us this time and time again, and this is why Jesus came to call the people to repent from the sin and turn away so that they might be saved. If you have sin, no way are you getting into that kingdom buddy.

We need Jesus in order to have the sin in our lives removed. Psalm 103:12 tells us "as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." and so we see that Christ removes our sin so that we have no sin anymore. Just as 'He who knew no sin became sin' (2 Corinthians 5:21), we who have sin can have no sin.

You end by saying that Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father, and that Jesus changed everything.
I think you need to understand that the truth cannot be changed, or else its not the truth. And so Jesus did not change the truth.

You also say that we can learn from other truths but Jesus is the Truth. A wonderful statement, but the other truths found in all of scripture testify of Jesus. Someone once said that if you do not find Jesus in every portion of scripture, then you haven't gotten it. So Jesus is the Truth, and the rest of the Bible testifies about Him. You cannot split Jesus and other parts of scripture as they both tell the exact same message.

The original point of the article was that not all truth is equal. The fact is simply that ALL the Bible is on equal footing when it comes to being the truth.
 
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Grace my friend... your doctrine does not sound very sound there buddy...

"Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book - that is the truth. Those who have sin, will not have their names in the Lambs Book of Life. That is the truth.

The Bible tells us this time and time again, and this is why Jesus came to call the people to repent from the sin and turn away so that they might be saved. If you have sin, no way are you getting into that kingdom buddy.

We need Jesus in order to have the sin in our lives removed. Psalm 103:12 tells us "as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." and so we see that Christ removes our sin so that we have no sin anymore. Just as 'He who knew no sin became sin' (2 Corinthians 5:21), we who have sin can have no sin.

You end by saying that Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father, and that Jesus changed everything.
I think you need to understand that the truth cannot be changed, or else its not the truth. And so Jesus did not change the truth.

You also say that we can learn from other truths but Jesus is the Truth. A wonderful statement, but the other truths found in all of scripture testify of Jesus. Someone once said that if you do not find Jesus in every portion of scripture, then you haven't gotten it. So Jesus is the Truth, and the rest of the Bible testifies about Him. You cannot split Jesus and other parts of scripture as they both tell the exact same message.

The original point of the article was that not all truth is equal. The fact is simply that ALL the Bible is on equal footing when it comes to being the truth.

Brother.... I think you are missing the whole point of the OP and what I said about Exodus 32:33 in my subsequent post.

I quoted that scripture in Exodus to show that altho that is a truth ..Jesus and His finished work is a higher truth...or greater truth or Jesus as the Truth supersedes Ex 32:33...not that Ex.32:33 doesn't exist as a truth.

I'm not going to quibble over the word "equal". The main point is that Jesus and what He has already done on the Cross and in His resurrection is the ultimate Truth and therefore He gets the greater emphasis. If you don't agree to that..that's ok..we are allowed to agree to disagree too...no harm done...have a great day!
 
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Shame is a confession that what I am ashamed of is still who I am.

All these are anti-Christ truths.
This reflects a belief that salvation is realizing who we are. In this belief system sin is merely a symptom of having a confused identity, and salvation is a process of mentally disentangling one's self from wrong thinking that conflicts with the self-image of being perfect.
 

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I have not time to read all of this thread, so maybe I am saying the same thing as others: won't hurt I guess.

I agree I think with most of what the article says. Jesus Christ must be the center and the basis of all of our interpretation of Scripture. And surely there are parts (truths) in Scripture that are more important than others. I am not sure how to make such a judgment call, though; that can be difficult for us finite mortals (though, yes, we have the Spirit of God in us).

I think I would say that all "truth" in Scripture is important: So the statement that "truth is not essential, even if it is in the Bible" leaves me wondering a bit . . . ?

One thing I might add is that along with the crucifixion and the blood of Christ, we also need to keep the resurrection of Jesus as a key to our interpretation. In a class I took under Christar missions, we had to analyze the content of all the sermons in the book of Acts. The subject that was mentioned most often by the apostles in their sermons was the resurrection.

Jesus Christ is the center of Scripture and in essence the center of all of everything!