The Two Houses of Israel

[DP]

How many of you are not aware that there are TWO houses of Israel and thus two separate kingdoms written of in God's Word?

1 Kings 12:20-21
20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.

21 And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.
KJV

Can't get any more clear than a fight between two separate houses to show how God had separated Israel into two separate kingdoms after the days of Solomon. Notice the close similarity of the two names Jeroboam and Rehoboam. God made Jeroboam who was of the tribe Ephraim king over the ten northern tribes which became known as the "house of Israel". Solomon's son was Rehoboam, of the tribe of Judah from the house of David, and only 2 tribes made up the "house of Judah" after that split.

This is why in Ezekiel 37 God tells Ezekiel to take two separate sticks, write upon one for the house of Judah, and on the other stick for the house of Israel (represented by Ephraim or Joseph), and then put the two sticks together in his hands, and let the people see him do it so they'd ask what was meant by that.

Brethren, are you familiar with this Bible history?

 

[John146]

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Is there a bearing on the church today? Future?

 

[miknik5]

How many of you are not aware that there are TWO houses of Israel and thus two separate kingdoms written of in God's Word?

1 Kings 12:20-21
20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.

21 And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.
KJV

Can't get any more clear than a fight between two separate houses to show how God had separated Israel into two separate kingdoms after the days of Solomon. Notice the close similarity of the two names Jeroboam and Rehoboam. God made Jeroboam who was of the tribe Ephraim king over the ten northern tribes which became known as the "house of Israel". Solomon's son was Rehoboam, of the tribe of Judah from the house of David, and only 2 tribes made up the "house of Judah" after that split.

This is why in Ezekiel 37 God tells Ezekiel to take two separate sticks, write upon one for the house of Judah, and on the other stick for the house of Israel (represented by Ephraim or Joseph), and then put the two sticks together in his hands, and let the people see him do it so they'd ask what was meant by that.

Brethren, are you familiar with this Bible history?

Because of Solomon's sins and his mixing into the PURE SEED of GOD, things that came from the many wives whom he married.

The reason Judah would remain forever was for the sake of HIS SERVANT, David...

1Kings 11.

There was always supposed to be ONE HOUSE...for the Jew was called to be a light to all men teaching them to know GOD...but, Solomon, instead of separating himself for the sake and honor of GOD'S NAME, mixed with the nations (this represented by Solomon's many wives) and therefore the TRUTH and GLORY and HOLINESS of GOD'S NAME was not fully and perfectly represented.

Because, all along GOD was looking for GODLY OFFSPRING...
HE is the GOD and FATHER of all men...


Israel is not ISRAEL
There's a difference between the two...
Israel is earthly...but ISRAEL, the TRUE ISRAEL of GOD is HEAVENLY...
And what is taken out of "egypt" and brought into ISRAEL are the TRUE SONS/DAUGHTERS of GOD...not identified by anything outwardly physical, but identified/marked by GOD as belonging to GOD in THE ISRAEL/THE SON OF GOD...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Future?

Exekiel 37:

15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

This has happened --- children of Israel are being brought to their own land.

Future ---

Ezekiel 37:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.


Amazing! I just love God and His faithful Word!

 

[Miri]

How many of you are not aware that there are TWO houses of Israel and thus two separate kingdoms written of in God's Word?

1 Kings 12:20-21
20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.

21 And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.
KJV

Can't get any more clear than a fight between two separate houses to show how God had separated Israel into two separate kingdoms after the days of Solomon. Notice the close similarity of the two names Jeroboam and Rehoboam. God made Jeroboam who was of the tribe Ephraim king over the ten northern tribes which became known as the "house of Israel". Solomon's son was Rehoboam, of the tribe of Judah from the house of David, and only 2 tribes made up the "house of Judah" after that split.

This is why in Ezekiel 37 God tells Ezekiel to take two separate sticks, write upon one for the house of Judah, and on the other stick for the house of Israel (represented by Ephraim or Joseph), and then put the two sticks together in his hands, and let the people see him do it so they'd ask what was meant by that.

Brethren, are you familiar with this Bible history?

Why assume people don't know?

 

[miknik5]

Why assume people don't know?

Love your name, Miri!

 

[Miri]

Love your name, Miri!

Dont get too attached - it's mine and no you can't have it. Lol

 

[miknik5]

Dont get too attached - it's mine and no you can't have it. Lol

Mine's pretty close and is a derivative of that name...
But I like your nickname better!
Unless it isn't a nickname?

In either case, I love your name better!
And it is the first time I have heard that version of that name.

Miri...I like it a lot...

 

[crossnote]

How many of you are not aware that there are TWO houses of Israel and thus two separate kingdoms written of in God's Word?

1 Kings 12:20-21
20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.

21 And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.
KJV

Can't get any more clear than a fight between two separate houses to show how God had separated Israel into two separate kingdoms after the days of Solomon. Notice the close similarity of the two names Jeroboam and Rehoboam. God made Jeroboam who was of the tribe Ephraim king over the ten northern tribes which became known as the "house of Israel". Solomon's son was Rehoboam, of the tribe of Judah from the house of David, and only 2 tribes made up the "house of Judah" after that split.

This is why in Ezekiel 37 God tells Ezekiel to take two separate sticks, write upon one for the house of Judah, and on the other stick for the house of Israel (represented by Ephraim or Joseph), and then put the two sticks together in his hands, and let the people see him do it so they'd ask what was meant by that.

Brethren, are you familiar with this Bible history?

History doesn't end there...

"Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the LORD of hosts is his name: "If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the LORD, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever." Thus says the LORD: "If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be explored, then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done, declares the LORD."
(Jer 31:31-37)

 

[Word_Swordsman]

The northern most tribes of Israel were captured well before Judah went into slavery to Babylon. Upon resettlement of the northern tribes, those Hebrews intermarried with Perians and some other former enemies of Judah, what became known as Samaria. When the Judean people returned (some moving elsewhere in the world) resumed a partial control of the ancient Judaen lands. There remained a deep resentment against their northern brethren, who were considered "half breeds". From that point on came the wars between North and South, deeply entrenching the existence of two houses of Israel.

The enemies of God were allowed by God to make use of those two houses to chasten both, each making allies with enemies of the former ancient one-house Israel. However, God promised to clear all of that up, once again making one house of Israel to inhabit eternity.

 

[mpaper345]

Exekiel 37:

15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

This has happened --- children of Israel are being brought to their own land.

Future ---

Ezekiel 37:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.


Amazing! I just love God and His faithful Word!

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

 

[DP]

Because of Solomon's sins and his mixing into the PURE SEED of GOD, things that came from the many wives whom he married.

The reason Judah would remain forever was for the sake of HIS SERVANT, David...

1Kings 11.

There was always supposed to be ONE HOUSE...for the Jew was called to be a light to all men teaching them to know GOD...but, Solomon, instead of separating himself for the sake and honor of GOD'S NAME, mixed with the nations (this represented by Solomon's many wives) and therefore the TRUTH and GLORY and HOLINESS of GOD'S NAME was not fully and perfectly represented.

Because, all along GOD was looking for GODLY OFFSPRING...
HE is the GOD and FATHER of all men...


Israel is not ISRAEL
There's a difference between the two...
Israel is earthly...but ISRAEL, the TRUE ISRAEL of GOD is HEAVENLY...
And what is taken out of "egypt" and brought into ISRAEL are the TRUE SONS/DAUGHTERS of GOD...not identified by anything outwardly physical, but identified/marked by GOD as belonging to GOD in THE ISRAEL/THE SON OF GOD...

Good, that shows you understand part of it.

 

[DP]

Exekiel 37:

15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

This has happened --- children of Israel are being brought to their own land.

Actually, that has not... happened yet today.

Only Jews of the "house of Judah" have been returning to the state of Israel in the holy land. The ten tribes ("house of Israel") are still lost to themselves and to the world today. When Jesus comes is when these events of their joining back with the house of Judah will occur.

This is how the matter about the ten lost tribed house of Israel is important for Christ's Church, because that's where the majority of them are today, scattered among the Gentiles where The Gospel was preached after the passion of Christ. Thus when the scattered remnants of the ten lost tribed house of Israel are gathered, the believing Gentiles will be gathered along with them.

God's Birthright to His chosen is very specific in His Word, and with the promises it included.

The Birthright began with Abraham. Then...
... to Isaac,
... to Jacob (named Israel),
... to Reuben (but he defiled his father's bed),
... to Joseph,
... to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, where it still is today.

Per Genesis 35, Jacob's seed was promised to become "a company of nations". And per Genesis 48, Ephraim's seed was promised to become "a multitude of nations." Jacob blessed Ephraim and Manasseh, both sons of Joseph, and said to let his name Israel be named upon the lads.

In case you haven't figured out what that means, it means Ephraim's seed was to literally become "a multitude of nations", not just one nation like the state of Israel in the holy land. This is why Apostle Paul in Ephesians 2 would proclaim Gentile believers on Christ as having come into the promises and covenants given Israel, their becoming part of the "commonwealth of Israel". A commonwealth means more than one, pointing to more than one nation.

But the state of Israel in the holy land has only ever... been but ONE nation, not "a company of nations" nor "a multitude of nations" like the Genesis prophecies state.

What's contained in God's Birthright beginning with Abraham?

God promised Abraham...
1. that a seed from him would be as many of the stars of the sky and sands of the sea (Gen.15).
2. that God would given him the lands as far as he could see in all directions in the middle east (Gen.13).
3. Abraham would become a father of many nations (Gen.17).
4. that his seed would possess the gate of his enemies (Gen.22)...

... it continued with his son Isaac per Gen.26...

... it then was passed to Jacob with more added, as per Gen.27 Jacob's seed would receive...
1. the dew of heaven (symbolic of best lands)
2. the fatness of the earth (symbolic again of the best lands and natural resources)
3. plenty of corn and wine (further symbolic of the best farm and vineyard producing lands)
4. nations would bow down to thee...

... the Birthright then continued to Joseph...
... and Joseph would be exalted by God above his eleven brethren, and even above his father and mother by God giving Joseph to interpret Pharaoh's dream (Gen.37; Gen.40)...

... the Birthright was then passed by Jacob to Joseph's younger son Ephraim, and also that his elder son Manasseh would also become "great" (Gen.48).

The other part of God's Birthright would remain with Judah and the house of David involving the royal scepter rule on the throne, and also care of God's law to His people.

1 Chron 5:1-2
5:1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.

2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's
KJV

Thus God's Birthright blessings went to Joseph, and then Joseph's two sons (Ephraim and Manasseh), but the chief ruler would be of the tribe of Judah. This is how God's Birthright is still established on earth among His people today, but NOT... in the holy lands!

Isn't anyone understanding more of why when God split Israel into two kingdoms after Solomon's reign, that He would give "ten tribes" to Jeroboam of the tribe of EPHRAIM as their king to rule over them? (1 Kings 11 forward).

Where have the best crop producing lands on earth been, with a people producing much more food than they can consume? The Christian west.

Where has the most abundant resources existed with the ability to retrieve them been? In the Christian west.

Where has had the greatest wine vineyards? The Christian west.

What nations have controlled the gates (coming and goings) of their enemies? The Christian west, with their navies and great military might.

Have we seen these Promises existing in the holy land through history? NO!

Only in 1948 when Israel became a nation state again in the middle east has the land begin to blossom again. And still... there is not one of the house of Judah and house of David sitting upon a throne there in Jerusalem, not since Jeremiah's day when king Zedekiah of Judah was there. Yet the Genesis 49:10 prophecy to Judah for the "latter days" through Jacob is one of Judah is still... supposed to be sitting upon David's throne ON EARTH all the way up to Christ's ("Shiloh") second coming!

So WHERE on earth in the latter days have we seen these Promises manifested? In the Christian west of course. The western nations, which the majority of them were historically known... as Christian nations, still reveal they are the receivers of God's Birthright blessings that would remain with Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh.

Israel in the West = Ephraim and Manasseh over the ten lost tribed house of Israel with believing Gentiles with them as Paul's "commonwealth" (Eph.2). The SEAT of The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many of the scattered remnant of the house of Judah are also there with them.

Israel in the middle east = Judah, or house of Judah, mostly still rejecting our Lord Jesus Christ, but will one day have their blindness from God removed (Rom.11).

 

[DP]

History doesn't end there...

"Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the LORD of hosts is his name: "If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the LORD, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever." Thus says the LORD: "If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be explored, then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done, declares the LORD."
(Jer 31:31-37)

Right, and that part in bold red shows that the nation of Israel would never stop being a nation before God, and I put emphasis on the idea of the nation of Israel always... having existed on earth in God's... sight, not necessarily in man's sight.

The time of our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming is close, so it's time for God's people to wake up about this matter, and understand that He moved His Israel to the west as the Christian nations after Jesus was rejected at Jerusalem. Instead what do too many brethren believe about the western nations from lies they've been told? They have had no history lesson about the western Christian nations manifesting by dropping their Baal idol worship back in western history.

 

[DP]

The northern most tribes of Israel were captured well before Judah went into slavery to Babylon. Upon resettlement of the northern tribes, those Hebrews intermarried with Perians and some other former enemies of Judah, what became known as Samaria. When the Judean people returned (some moving elsewhere in the world) resumed a partial control of the ancient Judaen lands. There remained a deep resentment against their northern brethren, who were considered "half breeds". From that point on came the wars between North and South, deeply entrenching the existence of two houses of Israel.

Your sense of historic timing is a little out of sync on that.

Per 2 Kings, God removed all of the ten tribes of Israel out of the land where they dwelt in the northern kingdom of Israel, as they were taken captive by the kings of Assyria. And as it was one of the things the king of Assyrian would do to conquer a people, he instead placed pagan foreigners from five different provinces of Babylon into the lands of northern Israel which the main city then was still Samaria. Those became the Samaritans of the NT (John 4). The Samaritans were not Israelites; they were pagan foreigners from Babylon, which is why the Jews refused to have anything to do with them. The ten northern tribes of Israel were scattered out of the land first by God as He promised He would do if they fell away from Him (Deut.4; Deut.28).

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Your sense of historic timing is a little out of sync on that.

Per 2 Kings, God removed all of the ten tribes of Israel out of the land where they dwelt in the northern kingdom of Israel, as they were taken captive by the kings of Assyria. And as it was one of the things the king of Assyrian would do to conquer a people, he instead placed pagan foreigners from five different provinces of Babylon into the lands of northern Israel which the main city then was still Samaria. Those became the Samaritans of the NT (John 4). The Samaritans were not Israelites; they were pagan foreigners from Babylon, which is why the Jews refused to have anything to do with them. The ten northern tribes of Israel were scattered out of the land first by God as He promised He would do if they fell away from Him (Deut.4; Deut.28).

A huge issue between Judea and Samaria was which place to worship should be paramount, Mt. Gerazim v. Mt. Moriah.
Study the scriptures more closely.

Besides.....
Jesus didn't dispute the fact the Samaritans had claim to historic familial ties to Jacob. John 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

Are you possibly promoting Replacement Theology? It's been proved very false, not just inaccurate.

The literal land of Judea is the place for the New Earth choice of God, specifically Jerusalem, at the spot where God chose for Solomon to build the Temple.

 

[prove-all]

Per 2 Kings, God removed all of the ten tribes of Israel out of the land where they dwelt in the northern kingdom of Israel, as they were taken captive by the kings of Assyria. And as it was one of the things the king of Assyrian would do to conquer a people, he instead placed pagan foreigners from five different provinces of Babylon into the lands of northern Israel which the main city then was still Samaria. Those became the Samaritans of the NT (John 4). The Samaritans were not Israelites; they were pagan foreigners from Babylon, which is why the Jews refused to have anything to do with them. The ten northern tribes of Israel were scattered out of the land first by God as He promised He would do if they fell away from Him (Deut.4; Deut.28).

They were removed out of their land. “For the children of Israel walked in
all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;

Until the Lord removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the
prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day”


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Jeroboam changed the place, and the fall feasts from 7th month to the 8th month,
it is very highly likly that the 7th day worship was changed to the 8th day also.

yes that the Samaritans at the time of Jesus where transplants,
but they where taught there religion by corrupt [levite priests],
these priests where sent back to teach the new people in the land.

 

[DP]

A huge issue between Judea and Samaria was which place to worship should be paramount, Mt. Gerazim v. Mt. Moriah.
Study the scriptures more closely.

I have studied this matter, very closely, sticking with what God's Word teaches on the matter, not what men's traditions teach about it.

God rent the kingdom from Solomon's son Rehoboam per 1 Kings 11. God then through His prophet Ahijah gave ten tribes to Jeroboam to rule over in the north; Jeroboam was an Ephrathite (tribe of Ephraim). God declared early on that the kings of Israel were to come from the tribe of Judah, from the house of David. So why was Jeroboam, one born of the tribe of Ephraim, made king over the ten tribes of Israel by God?

1 Kings 11:29-32
29 And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field:
30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:
31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32(But he shall have one tribe for My servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel
KJV

As written in 1 Kings 12, only the tribe of Benjamin remained with Judah in the southern kingdom at Judea. Jerusalem became the capital city of the southern "kingdom of Judah" and the northern city Samaria became the capital city of the northern "kingdom of Israel".

As per 1 Kings 12, Jeroboam (of Ephraim), king of Israel over the ten tribes in the northern kingdom, was afraid he would lose too many people out of the northern tribes going south to worship with Judah and Benjamin at Jerusalem, which was the required place of worship back then. So Jeroboam setup two gold calf idols in false worship for the northern ten tribes to worship, one he put in Dan, and the other in Bethel in the north. For this God would eventually remove the ten tribes out of the northern lands altogether, and send them captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes, as per 2 Kings 17.

1 Kings 12:26-31
26 And Jeroboam said in his heart, Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David:
27 If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, even unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah.
28 Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
29 And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan.
30 And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.
31 And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.
KJV

Besides.....
Jesus didn't dispute the fact the Samaritans had claim to historic familial ties to Jacob. John 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

Are you possibly promoting Replacement Theology? It's been proved very false, not just inaccurate.

The literal land of Judea is the place for the New Earth choice of God, specifically Jerusalem, at the spot where God chose for Solomon to build the Temple.

You are misrepresenting the John 4 Scripture.

John 4:9
9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto Him, How is it that Thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
KJV

In John 8 the scribes and Pharisees basically admitted they were not born of Israel, yet they claimed Abraham as their father...

John 8:33
33 They answered Him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest Thou, Ye shall be made free?
KJV

The true Israelites were... in bondage in Egypt. These by saying they have never been in bondage to any man reveal their true origins. Per 1 Chronicles 2:55, the Kenite foreigners from the land of Canaan were the scribes in Israel.

Thus it's not odd that some of the Samaritan foreigners the king of Assyria planted in the northern holy lands would claim to be of Israel when they were not.

Further in John 4, Jesus reveals more about the Samaritan woman's history...

John 4:16-22
16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
19 The woman saith unto Him, Sir, I perceive that Thou art a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe Me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
KJV

If the Samaritan woman had truly been a born Israelite, Jesus would not have shown how she didn't know what she worshiped, in contrast to the Jews who know Who they worship (meaning Jews faithful in The LORD GOD and not Nethinim crept in bondservants from the old Canaanite nations like the scribes and Pharisees).

The "five husbands" Jesus points out to her that she has had represent the five provinces of pagan Babylon from which the Samaritans originated when the king of Assyria planted them in the northern holy land after the ten tribes had been removed.

2 Kings 17:22-24
22 For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;
23 Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.
24 And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.
KJV

From Babylon, from Cuthah, from Ava, from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, five areas the Samaritans came from.

 

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They were removed out of their land. “For the children of Israel walked in
all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;

Until the Lord removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the
prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day”


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Jeroboam changed the place, and the fall feasts from 7th month to the 8th month,
it is very highly likly that the 7th day worship was changed to the 8th day also.

yes that the Samaritans at the time of Jesus where transplants,
but they where taught there religion by corrupt [levite priests],
these priests where sent back to teach the new people in the land.

YES. You're on top of it. Some others here are not.

 

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Word_Swordsman asks if this matter involves the idea of Replacement Theology. What exactly is that idea anyway, Replacement Theology?

That is a term for the idea that the NEW COVENANT has replaced or superseded the OLD COVENANT. To that I say YES... the New Covenant Jesus Christ has definitely and completely... superseded the Mosaic covenant! No one can be a true believing Christian without admitting that!

To treat the Old Covenant as still being in effect today for God's people means what brethren? It means adhering instead to something else other than Christianity, something else like the "Jew's religion" called Judaism which REJECTS our Lord Jesus Christ as Messiah.