PATRIOTISM IS BIBLICAL, But Is It Dying In AMERICA?

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You do know VCO Romans 13 also applies to people in China and Russia?

They are to obey God also. Do you really think God is on your side VCO?

The USA had a DUTY to obey God as stated in Romans 13 but yet the USA murdered people just for people like you to own a piece of land.

If anything, the USA has never obeyed God.
 
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1 John 3:15
Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

The USA hated the Native Americans. The Native Americans are our brother. Therefore the USA is Guilty of murder.

So how can you say the USA follows God when the USA saw nothing wrong with murder?
 

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1 John 3:15
Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

The USA hated the Native Americans. The Native Americans are our brother. Therefore the USA is Guilty of murder.

So how can you say the USA follows God when the USA saw nothing wrong with murder?

LOL wow, perhaps the most incorrect post i've ever seen here and that's saying something. Again, you hate the USA so much you are free to leave.
 

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You do know VCO Romans 13 also applies to people in China and Russia?

They are to obey God also. Do you really think God is on your side VCO?

The USA had a DUTY to obey God as stated in Romans 13 but yet the USA murdered people just for people like you to own a piece of land.

If anything, the USA has never obeyed God.[/QUOT


Like I said, that makes them as guilty of breaking the LAW, as you and me.

When I was Volunteer Prison Chaplain, I used tell inmates who were showing an "I'm better that him, attitude."; "WE ARE NOT BETTER THAN THE WORST MASS MURDERER ON DEATH ROW, WE ARE AS BAD OF A SINNER AS HIM." They got the point every time, do you?"

[video=youtube;XPpox70YteU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPpox70YteU[/video]
 
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I find it so stupid when someone disagrees with what someone else says, that the other person tells the one they are free to leave the USA.

If it was me i would tell that person he needs to leave, not me.

When someone has no answer and knows they are wrong, their response is always "you are free to leave". Which really shows this person knows they are losing the debate.

FlSnookman7, why are you here? Are you here to cause trouble?

This is a place to debate and learn. Not a place to put down others for what they believe.

If you do not like their answers then you are free to leave. We do not need your kind on this chat site.
 

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I find it so stupid when someone disagrees with what someone else says, that the other person tells the one they are free to leave the USA.

If it was me i would tell that person he needs to leave, not me.

When someone has no answer and knows they are wrong, their response is always "you are free to leave". Which really shows this person knows they are losing the debate.

FlSnookman7, why are you here? Are you here to cause trouble?

This is a place to debate and learn. Not a place to put down others for what they believe.

If you do not like their answers then you are free to leave. We do not need your kind on this chat site.

YES that is one of the FREEDOMS bought and paid for by the blood of Patriots who respected and honored the flag they fought under.

There are many Countries in this world where you cannot leave, except by getting permission from their Government, which is rarely given.
 
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I find it so stupid when someone disagrees with what someone else says, that the other person tells the one they are free to leave the USA.

If it was me i would tell that person he needs to leave, not me.

When someone has no answer and knows they are wrong, their response is always "you are free to leave". Which really shows this person knows they are losing the debate.

FlSnookman7, why are you here? Are you here to cause trouble?

This is a place to debate and learn. Not a place to put down others for what they believe.

If you do not like their answers then you are free to leave. We do not need your kind on this chat site.


Debating and learning is a far cry from attacking the country that gives you the freedom you enjoy by the sacrifices of those better than you.
 
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There are many Countries in this world where you cannot leave, except by getting permission from their Government, which is rarely given.
You mean like in the U.S. where those who try to fly out of the country are unable to do so because they are on the FBI's secret no fly list? Which by the way denies due process guaranteed in the Constitution.

Federal Judge Rules No-Fly List Is Unconstitutional

Again, they have no respect for God's law, nor do they uphold their own laws and Constitution which they swore to God to keep, uphold and protect. (tisk, tisk) :)
 

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You mean like in the U.S. where those who try to fly out of the country are unable to do so because they are on the FBI's secret no fly list? Which by the way denies due process guaranteed in the Constitution.

Federal Judge Rules No-Fly List Is Unconstitutional

Again, they have no respect for God's law, nor do they uphold their own laws and Constitution which they swore to God to keep, uphold and protect. (tisk, tisk) :)
You were never in the Military either, where you? But you appear to have swallowed ALL of the Left Wing media's propaganda.

Let me guess, you are against SERIOUSLY ENFORCING OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS Too?

Here is a Left Wing Democrat's Idea of a Perfect Wall for our Southern Boarder, placing a model of this section at one mile intervals, with NO LOCK on the door:



Problem with current Wall sections:




WALL THAT IS NEEDED:

 
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You are all about hatred, violence, murder, and oppression VCO; all those evil things are warning signs of the end times as it was also in the days of Noah. Here is what God says about how to treat strangers....

This lack of compassion and mercy for our fellow man is just another sign of the end times for a world that has hardened its heart to the words of the Lord concerning loving your neighbor, loving your enemies and oppress not the stranger.

Here are a few verses to refresh your memory on what the Lord desires of his saints.

Exodus 22:21 “Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

Leviticus 19:33 “And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.”

Leviticus 19:34 “But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”

Leviticus 24:22Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.”
Leviticus 25:35 “And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.”

Numbers 15:16 “One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.”
Deuteronomy 10:18 “He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.”

Deuteronomy 10:19Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.”
Deuteronomy 24:14Thou shalt not oppress an hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates:”
Deuteronomy 24:17Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:”
Deuteronomy 27:19Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.”

Jeremiah 7:5-7 “
For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;[SUP]6 [/SUP]If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.”


Jeremiah 22:3Thus saith the Lord; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.”
Ezekiel 22:7 “In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow.”
Ezekiel 22:29 “The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.”

Zechariah 7:10And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.”

Malachi 3:5 “And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.”

Matthew 25:35-40 “For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?[SUP]38 [/SUP]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?[SUP]39 [/SUP]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”

Hebrews 13:2Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.”

3 John 4-6 “I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Beloved, thou doest faithfully whatsoever thou doest to the brethren, and to strangers;[SUP]6 [/SUP]Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:”


Matthew 5:43-45 “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

[SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”

Mark 12:30-31 “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”

Matthew 5:7 “Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.”
 

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You are all about hatred, violence, murder, and oppression VCO; all those evil things are warning signs of the end times as it was also in the days of Noah. Here is what God says about how to treat strangers....

This lack of compassion and mercy for our fellow man is just another sign of the end times for a world that has hardened its heart to the words of the Lord concerning loving your neighbor, loving your enemies and oppress not the stranger.

Here are a few verses to refresh your memory on what the Lord desires of his saints.

Exodus 22:21 “Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

Leviticus 19:33 “And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.”

Leviticus 19:34 “But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”

Leviticus 24:22Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.”
Leviticus 25:35 “And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.”

Numbers 15:16 “One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.”
Deuteronomy 10:18 “He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.”

Deuteronomy 10:19Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.”
Deuteronomy 24:14Thou shalt not oppress an hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates:”
Deuteronomy 24:17Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:”
Deuteronomy 27:19Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.”

Jeremiah 7:5-7 “
For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;[SUP]6 [/SUP]If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.”


Jeremiah 22:3Thus saith the Lord; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.”
Ezekiel 22:7 “In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow.”
Ezekiel 22:29 “The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.”

Zechariah 7:10And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.”

Malachi 3:5 “And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.”

Matthew 25:35-40 “For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?[SUP]38 [/SUP]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?[SUP]39 [/SUP]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”

Hebrews 13:2Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.”

3 John 4-6 “I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Beloved, thou doest faithfully whatsoever thou doest to the brethren, and to strangers;[SUP]6 [/SUP]Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:”


Matthew 5:43-45 “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

[SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”

Mark 12:30-31 “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”

Matthew 5:7 “Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.”

NO, I am all about enforcing the LAWS of the LAND.

Disagreeing with the laws of the land, NEVER is an EXCUSE to disobey them, or to help others to disobey them. Only when they violate GOD's LAW, is it permissible to say no, I will not do that. (Example: if mandatory abortion laws were passed in this country for anyone already having two Children.)

What part of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION do you not understand. TWO WRONGS NEVER MADE A RIGHT. You feel called to show MERCY, then DO IT LEGALLY, VOLUNTEER to help at Pre-deportation Shelters; they are ALWAYS looking for more Volunteers.

Deuteronomy 30:19-20 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse: therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] to love Jehovah thy God, to obey his voice, and to cleave unto him; for he is thy life, and the length of thy days; that thou mayest dwell in the land which Jehovah sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

1 Peter 2:13-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.


When you USE your liberty to help someone commit the CRIME of Illegal Immigration, that is a vice, also known as SIN, and then you compound it by trying to justify that sin, by covering it up with the White Wash of misinterpretation of the Word of GOD.

1 John 2:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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VCO, this is a web chat site for the discussion of the Scriptures. Not a site for you to rant and rave against others who hold a different set of Moral Values.

People who serve in the military are not my betters. If it was not for people like us FlSnookman7, there would be no USA.

Its the True Christians who founded this Country. Not the warmongers. All that the warmongers want to do is kill and steal.

You VCO and FlSnookman7 need to take your anger and wrath somewhere else.

Again this is a site for the discussion of God and how to follow Him, not a site for you to browbeat others with your hate against all those who do not accept your interpretation of the Scriptures.

God said Love your Neighbor, not hate your Neighbor.

All i see from you and FlSnookman7 is nothing but hate for those who disagree with you.
 

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VCO, this is a web chat site for the discussion of the Scriptures. Not a site for you to rant and rave against others who hold a different set of Moral Values.

People who serve in the military are not my betters. If it was not for people like us FlSnookman7, there would be no USA.

Its the True Christians who founded this Country. Not the warmongers. All that the warmongers want to do is kill and steal.

You VCO and FlSnookman7 need to take your anger and wrath somewhere else.

Again this is a site for the discussion of God and how to follow Him, not a site for you to browbeat others with your hate against all those who do not accept your interpretation of the Scriptures.

God said Love your Neighbor, not hate your Neighbor.

All i see from you and FlSnookman7 is nothing but hate for those who disagree with you.

And that is exactly what I am doing because I showed you in my thread starter Post, the verses that make Patriotism, absolutely BIBLICAL, therefore I am discussing HOW Patriotism applies to our lives, and whether or not Patriotism is LESS than it used to be. You and the others who have bought into the Leftist Media Propaganda are proving my point. IT IS LESS THAN IT USED TO BE.



I can't even ADD to that.



How quickly they forget.
 
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Actually VCO you are not talking about Patriotism. What you are really talking about is Nationalism.

Patriotism can be defined simply as love of country. Nationalism, on the other hand, takes that love of country and expands it to mean love of country at the expense of other nations. It's when someone believes they are better because they come from a particular place, or that someone else is less valuable because of the country that issued their passport.

Nationalism is really what you are teaching here VCO.

Nationalism is NOT in the Scriptures. God said Love your Neighbor, and last time i checked Europe and all other Countries are my neighbor.

Matthew 22:36-39
[SUP]36 [/SUP]“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” [SUP]37 [/SUP]And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the great and foremost commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Who is my neighbor? China is my neighbor. Japan is my neighbor. Russia is my neighbor.

The problem with you VCO is you have forgotten how to Love your neighbor, instead you hate your neighbor.
 

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It is sad how an eternal man relates himself to a temporary state/country that will not exist in few thousand years and gives a nobly names to it.
 
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Whoever signs/negotiates a treaty with Israel is the Devil, anything coming to mind?
 
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Whoever signs/negotiates a treaty with Israel is the Devil, anything coming to mind?
 

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Actually VCO you are not talking about Patriotism. What you are really talking about is Nationalism.

Patriotism can be defined simply as love of country. Nationalism, on the other hand, takes that love of country and expands it to mean love of country at the expense of other nations. It's when someone believes they are better because they come from a particular place, or that someone else is less valuable because of the country that issued their passport.

Nationalism is really what you are teaching here VCO.

Nationalism is NOT in the Scriptures. God said Love your Neighbor, and last time i checked Europe and all other Countries are my neighbor.

Matthew 22:36-39
[SUP]36 [/SUP]“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” [SUP]37 [/SUP]And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the great and foremost commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Who is my neighbor? China is my neighbor. Japan is my neighbor. Russia is my neighbor.

The problem with you VCO is you have forgotten how to Love your neighbor, instead you hate your neighbor.

No, quite the opposite. You are too young to even begin to understand the missing Patriotism that once was, and most likely you have never served in the Military, so you would not understand our love for our Flag. Also, I was a Volunteer Prison Chaplain for years in the baddest Security Housing Unit (the Hole) in the State of California's Department of Corrections. When you have stood in front of the cell of a naked man covered in his own feces, and poured your heart out fervently for 45 minutes, desperately trying to reach that man for Christ; then you come back, and we will talk about Loving you neighbor as yourself.

[video=youtube;uvFQkNqpx7k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvFQkNqpx7k[/video]
 

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I agree with you 100% that what the Tea Party has done is shameful and beyond forgiveness. But this is not the first time that a group of hate filled delusionals has openly done such a wicked act. Recall that in the 1960s it was radical communists who did the same. Eventually, all that hate got burned out and many became conservatives, others moderates & liberals.

Eventually this will happen to the majority of far right radicals in the unpatriotic Tea Party.

Are you beginning to see what I mean about the rest of the problems too? It is not like it was when we were growing up. It is encouraging that it is better where you live than most. You ought to see how bad it is in California. I lived there from 1987 - 2014. One time I put up a Menorah in my living room window, as part of my Christmas decorations; and the next morning I found my front door had been hit with at least six eggs, and that was in a small town in California.


 

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Whoever signs/negotiates a treaty with Israel is the Devil, anything coming to mind?
Yes, beware of a dictator who takes over the European Union. But hey, we will be gone.