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pickles

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So, I begun reading the old teastament again. I enjoyed the first two books alot, but now Im struggling through the laws. Many have spoken to the hidden messages, or the simbolism, but right now Im simply reading all ,as Gods begginings with us. So far I see us as being a rebellious lot, plenty of sinning, whining, and wanting our way. Not to different from today.:)
But I also see us as getting to know God Our Father and his will for us. When you think about how patient God Our Father is, giving us free will , teaching us. A childlike lot of kids in a sandbox fighting over everything. God working for us continuosly, wanting to impart his wisdom.
So far the old testament seems to be alot more about God Our Father just knowing us and us getting to know God Our Father. Of course there is much more, but like I said, Im reading it like Im just apart of it. I am truelly amazed at how patient God Our Father is. I also see better why we needed Jesus so much.
So as you have read the old testament, what have been your impressions?
What do you think of some of the strange points, those things that make no sence at all.
Also, I started to skip over the laws, but then I remembered my own words, eat your bible vegies!
So tonight I will go back and read those endless directions. I figure it was part of knowing God Our Father then, so I need to see all through the eyes of those then.
Please share with me, Im hopeing your words will inspire me when I hit the long dry spots, helping me to see more there.
Thankyou and God bless, pickles
 
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So, I begun reading the old teastament again. I enjoyed the first two books alot, but now Im struggling through the laws. Many have spoken to the hidden messages, or the simbolism, but right now Im simply reading all ,as Gods begginings with us. So far I see us as being a rebellious lot, plenty of sinning, whining, and wanting our way. Not to different from today.:)
But I also see us as getting to know God Our Father and his will for us. When you think about how patient God Our Father is, giving us free will , teaching us. A childlike lot of kids in a sandbox fighting over everything. God working for us continuosly, wanting to impart his wisdom.
So far the old testament seems to be alot more about God Our Father just knowing us and us getting to know God Our Father. Of course there is much more, but like I said, Im reading it like Im just apart of it. I am truelly amazed at how patient God Our Father is. I also see better why we needed Jesus so much.
So as you have read the old testament, what have been your impressions?
What do you think of some of the strange points, those things that make no sence at all.
Also, I started to skip over the laws, but then I remembered my own words, eat your bible vegies!
So tonight I will go back and read those endless directions. I figure it was part of knowing God Our Father then, so I need to see all through the eyes of those then.
Please share with me, Im hopeing your words will inspire me when I hit the long dry spots, helping me to see more there.
Thankyou and God bless, pickles
Pickles,

I find that the old testament provides a foundation for the New Testament. God reveals Himself but He also reveals Jesus to us in the prophecies. We learn of our need for a savior and why God provided one. We learn of God's patient love and His wrath. We learn of faithful servants of God that provide for us an example to emulate. We learned of faithful men of God that had moments of weakness and fear (David, Elijah). We learned how God can use a non-believers to bring about His purpose. God shows us so much in the Old Testament that it is hard to fathom. The laws in leviticus shows us our sin. The Psalms reveals God's mercy and love. Eccliastes shows us the futility of a life without God. Isaiah shows us so much about the coming king. It is a beautiful compilation of books that teach us what we should and should not do. I can not say enough about it.
 
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So, I begun reading the old teastament again. I enjoyed the first two books alot, but now Im struggling through the laws. Many have spoken to the hidden messages, or the simbolism, but right now Im simply reading all ,as Gods begginings with us. So far I see us as being a rebellious lot, plenty of sinning, whining, and wanting our way. Not to different from today.:)
But I also see us as getting to know God Our Father and his will for us. When you think about how patient God Our Father is, giving us free will , teaching us. A childlike lot of kids in a sandbox fighting over everything. God working for us continuosly, wanting to impart his wisdom.
So far the old testament seems to be alot more about God Our Father just knowing us and us getting to know God Our Father. Of course there is much more, but like I said, Im reading it like Im just apart of it. I am truelly amazed at how patient God Our Father is. I also see better why we needed Jesus so much.
So as you have read the old testament, what have been your impressions?
What do you think of some of the strange points, those things that make no sence at all.
Also, I started to skip over the laws, but then I remembered my own words, eat your bible vegies!
So tonight I will go back and read those endless directions. I figure it was part of knowing God Our Father then, so I need to see all through the eyes of those then.
Please share with me, Im hopeing your words will inspire me when I hit the long dry spots, helping me to see more there.
Thankyou and God bless, pickles

So ... you see Christians in the OT. (a bunch of whine Cristians...lol).....G-d took His people out of Egypt who were indoctrinated for over 400 years with their false religion.He reviled Himself and then on Mount Sinai He told us how to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. The Law id Bible Meat!!!!!!!!!!! Christians woun't wounder if they can have a spirit guide, or is it OK to look at pron and so on if the knew the Law. Not to mention the NT is a Jewish books written by Jewish people (except for Luke) that not only knew the law but lived it... G-d loved Yeshua so much because He is Messiah AND A JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Less Christians forget who they call L_rd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

pickles

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Pickles,

I find that the old testament provides a foundation for the New Testament. God reveals Himself but He also reveals Jesus to us in the prophecies. We learn of our need for a savior and why God provided one. We learn of God's patient love and His wrath. We learn of faithful servants of God that provide for us an example to emulate. We learned of faithful men of God that had moments of weakness and fear (David, Elijah). We learned how God can use a non-believers to bring about His purpose. God shows us so much in the Old Testament that it is hard to fathom. The laws in leviticus shows us our sin. The Psalms reveals God's mercy and love. Eccliastes shows us the futility of a life without God. Isaiah shows us so much about the coming king. It is a beautiful compilation of books that teach us what we should and should not do. I can not say enough about it.
Thankyou lighthousejohn, I am looking forward to the books you spoke to. Mostly looking forward to psalms. You are so right about how these more difficult books are the building blocks to the rest of the scriptures. Thats why I am trying so hard to read all of the OT. In the past I would skip the boring parts. But the more I have read the more I see how each stone builds on another. Who knows what Ill learn. I had been taught many of the stories of the old testament, but from what I have read so far ,in detail, I see how many of the stories were glossed over or niced up.
Skipping the parts I did in the past gave a faulse sence of what God Our Father did for us. Im enjoying the true perspective. I just have to keep eating my bible vegies. :)
God bless, pickles
 

pickles

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So ... you see Christians in the OT. (a bunch of whine Cristians...lol).....G-d took His people out of Egypt who were indoctrinated for over 400 years with their false religion.He reviled Himself and then on Mount Sinai He told us how to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. The Law id Bible Meat!!!!!!!!!!! Christians woun't wounder if they can have a spirit guide, or is it OK to look at pron and so on if the knew the Law. Not to mention the NT is a Jewish books written by Jewish people (except for Luke) that not only knew the law but lived it... G-d loved Yeshua so much because He is Messiah AND A JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Less Christians forget who they call L_rd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No forgeting here. I have always loved Jesus and never seen him as any other than Jewish.
I have never understood the need to rewrite it, or gloss over it all. What good is believeing if you begin with a lie?
It has been interesting reading geneology now. I would skip it in the past because it could be so long.
But now I see the perpose of establishing the tribes and decendants through to Jesus.
What I look forward to is having God Our Father take over my understanding and work his understanding in. That is always the hope we have in him.
God bless, pickles
 
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This may be a help in viewing the Torah when reading the "dry books"..... I don't know but a knew perspective....

The Torah consists of the first five books of the Bible: Genesis,Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy – sometimes called the “Books of Moses.” In these books we find “His” story of creation: the wondrous creation of the universe and of mankind; the establishment of a People and a Land set apart for all time to reveal the One True God to the World - His existence, His love, His ways. These books contain 613 commandments, however, these commandments were not given to the Israelites while in bondage as a means of redemption - they were given to an already redeemed people as a guide of how to live as a redeemed people. (In fact the Hebraic meaning of Torah is “teaching unto life” - not “law” in our modern definition). The redemption of Israelites was unearned - God heard their cries in Egypt and rescued them because of their need and His compassion. He then set out to fashion them into a Holy Nation, a Kingdom of Priests, to show forth His glory. This has not changed in the New Covenant through Yeshua (Jesus). We receive salvation by grace alone - but once we have received this great gift, how then shall we live? 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness.” As the New Testament had not yet been written, we can be certain that the Scripture in reference was the Old Testament. Also, Yeshua Himself declared, “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law (the Torah), or the Prophets; I am come not to destroy, but fulfill “(or bring fullness to, or rightly interpret). “For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these commandments and shall teach men to do so, he shall be called least in the Kingdom of heaven...” (Matt. 5:17-19) By Yeshua’s own words, we come to understand that the Law is not for salvation, but for learning and teaching for the redeemed to live a pleasing life unto God. By Yeshua’s own words, we come to understand that the Law is not for salvation, but for learning and teaching for the redeemed to live a pleasing life unto God. He does not say that those who break the commandments and teach others to do so will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but that they will be least. There is something beneficial in learning the whole counsel of God! We also see that the Torah has not passed away as heaven and earth still remain. Some may argue that “if Yeshua fulfilled the Law, then we don’t have to!” However, that is not what the verse actually says in the original text. In the Greek, the word He uses is pleroo {play-ro'-o} which Strong’s concordance renders “to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full” as the most relevant definition. Many New Testament Scholars have also considered that Yeshua was using the Hebrew idiomatic popular then and now in discussing Torah issues. When rabbis contend over the correct meaning of a Scripture, they use the phrase “destroying the Torah” for misinterpreting the Torah and “fulfilling the Torah” for rightly dividing the Word. So where does all this confusion come from regarding law and grace, as if one nullifies the other? I think it is simply a tradition of misunderstanding. Grace is not the opposite of Law, or Torah. For God’s grace actually teaches us Law as we see in Titus 2:11,12: “For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, TEACHING us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously and godly, in this present age.” Referring back to Romans 4, in the context of the verse quoted, Paul made it very clear that the realization of Abraham’s righteousness and the passing on of the promise was not because he was able to keep the Torah, but rather because of his faith, or trusting in God. In the author’s way, this issue is looked at from several angles, and this is the conclusion. “Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.” Romans 4:16 Another aspect to consider is that God’s enemies throughout history, as well as His future nemesis the antichrist, have the hallmark of being anti-Torah and outlawing the keeping of His Word. Therefore I think it is not healthy to have antipathy toward God’s Torah, or any portion of His Word. The antichrist is called the “man of lawlessness.” We must assume that the “law” this antichrist is against is the Law of God, the Torah – I’m sure it’s not that he is known for breaking the speed limit! In a time of great deception and “gross darkness,” it may only be His Word that is the light for our path and the discernment to preserve against divers winds of doctrine that may deceive even the elect.


Pickles....

I think it is great your heart for G-d.... May the L-rd bless you and keep you and may He make His face shine upon you and give you His peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

wattie

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You know Jesus was around in the Old Testament right?

'Before Abraham was, I AM'

'Your Father Abraham rejoiced to SEE my day'

Job believed in a redeemer.. so did David..

in the OT.. people still had faith in Christ.. awaiting His resurrection and atonement in the future..

in the NT.. we look back at the resurrection and atonement..

same God in both.. faith in Jesus
 

VW

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So, I begun reading the old teastament again. I enjoyed the first two books alot, but now Im struggling through the laws. Many have spoken to the hidden messages, or the simbolism, but right now Im simply reading all ,as Gods begginings with us. So far I see us as being a rebellious lot, plenty of sinning, whining, and wanting our way. Not to different from today.:)
But I also see us as getting to know God Our Father and his will for us. When you think about how patient God Our Father is, giving us free will , teaching us. A childlike lot of kids in a sandbox fighting over everything. God working for us continuosly, wanting to impart his wisdom.
So far the old testament seems to be alot more about God Our Father just knowing us and us getting to know God Our Father. Of course there is much more, but like I said, Im reading it like Im just apart of it. I am truelly amazed at how patient God Our Father is. I also see better why we needed Jesus so much.
So as you have read the old testament, what have been your impressions?
What do you think of some of the strange points, those things that make no sence at all.
Also, I started to skip over the laws, but then I remembered my own words, eat your bible vegies!
So tonight I will go back and read those endless directions. I figure it was part of knowing God Our Father then, so I need to see all through the eyes of those then.
Please share with me, Im hopeing your words will inspire me when I hit the long dry spots, helping me to see more there.
Thankyou and God bless, pickles
Stay with it and see how God deals with the children of Israel. I found it really strange how often God wanted to destroy all of the children of that generation and start over with Moses, only to have Moses intercede for them.

All of those laws were God trying to get those people to see that what He wanted from them was fellowship and friendship. As they refused Him, He added more and more laws, making it more and more difficult for them to remain His people without truly being in fellowship with Him. It is the pattern throughout the old testament, with a few notable exceptions. Soon, you will get to David, and his relationship with God, which is so wonderful, as he trusted God completely, as very few ever have. David understood what God wanted, and was even used as an example when Jesus was accused of breaking the laws, and how he and his men were hungry and ate the bread it is not lawful to eat.

I really got much inspiration from Psalms, and from even more so the prophets. The Spirit started me reading in Lamentations, then all of the prophets, and then from the beginning with Genesis.

(Notice the caps, I am typing again, but it is very difficult, as most of my fingers on my right hand are very stiff. Thanks for all of your prayers, and to Jesus for keeping me in His hand.)

May God bless you with His wisdom as you read.

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VW

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Ah, I forgot to add, watch how Moses is with the people and with God, as this is very important.
 
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Heb 11:6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


dig through it, stay in there. It will be worth it
 

pickles

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This may be a help in viewing the Torah when reading the "dry books"..... I don't know but a knew perspective....

The Torah consists of the first five books of the Bible: Genesis,Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy – sometimes called the “Books of Moses.” In these books we find “His” story of creation: the wondrous creation of the universe and of mankind; the establishment of a People and a Land set apart for all time to reveal the One True God to the World - His existence, His love, His ways. These books contain 613 commandments, however, these commandments were not given to the Israelites while in bondage as a means of redemption - they were given to an already redeemed people as a guide of how to live as a redeemed people. (In fact the Hebraic meaning of Torah is “teaching unto life” - not “law” in our modern definition). The redemption of Israelites was unearned - God heard their cries in Egypt and rescued them because of their need and His compassion. He then set out to fashion them into a Holy Nation, a Kingdom of Priests, to show forth His glory. This has not changed in the New Covenant through Yeshua (Jesus). We receive salvation by grace alone - but once we have received this great gift, how then shall we live? 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness.” As the New Testament had not yet been written, we can be certain that the Scripture in reference was the Old Testament. Also, Yeshua Himself declared, “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law (the Torah), or the Prophets; I am come not to destroy, but fulfill “(or bring fullness to, or rightly interpret). “For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these commandments and shall teach men to do so, he shall be called least in the Kingdom of heaven...” (Matt. 5:17-19) By Yeshua’s own words, we come to understand that the Law is not for salvation, but for learning and teaching for the redeemed to live a pleasing life unto God. By Yeshua’s own words, we come to understand that the Law is not for salvation, but for learning and teaching for the redeemed to live a pleasing life unto God. He does not say that those who break the commandments and teach others to do so will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but that they will be least. There is something beneficial in learning the whole counsel of God! We also see that the Torah has not passed away as heaven and earth still remain. Some may argue that “if Yeshua fulfilled the Law, then we don’t have to!” However, that is not what the verse actually says in the original text. In the Greek, the word He uses is pleroo {play-ro'-o} which Strong’s concordance renders “to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full” as the most relevant definition. Many New Testament Scholars have also considered that Yeshua was using the Hebrew idiomatic popular then and now in discussing Torah issues. When rabbis contend over the correct meaning of a Scripture, they use the phrase “destroying the Torah” for misinterpreting the Torah and “fulfilling the Torah” for rightly dividing the Word. So where does all this confusion come from regarding law and grace, as if one nullifies the other? I think it is simply a tradition of misunderstanding. Grace is not the opposite of Law, or Torah. For God’s grace actually teaches us Law as we see in Titus 2:11,12: “For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, TEACHING us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously and godly, in this present age.” Referring back to Romans 4, in the context of the verse quoted, Paul made it very clear that the realization of Abraham’s righteousness and the passing on of the promise was not because he was able to keep the Torah, but rather because of his faith, or trusting in God. In the author’s way, this issue is looked at from several angles, and this is the conclusion. “Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.” Romans 4:16 Another aspect to consider is that God’s enemies throughout history, as well as His future nemesis the antichrist, have the hallmark of being anti-Torah and outlawing the keeping of His Word. Therefore I think it is not healthy to have antipathy toward God’s Torah, or any portion of His Word. The antichrist is called the “man of lawlessness.” We must assume that the “law” this antichrist is against is the Law of God, the Torah – I’m sure it’s not that he is known for breaking the speed limit! In a time of great deception and “gross darkness,” it may only be His Word that is the light for our path and the discernment to preserve against divers winds of doctrine that may deceive even the elect.


Pickles....

I think it is great your heart for G-d.... May the L-rd bless you and keep you and may He make His face shine upon you and give you His peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thankyou mcubed, I like alot of the points you make here. First , yes I do see Jesus in the old testament, always did. But it is nice to have the comformation. I also have ssen for many years the freedom in the law. God Our Father put this on my heart many years ago, it was an amazing moment. He showed me how the law removes the chains of the world, how it freed us. My only frustration was having no one to disscuss it with. Also as I began to read the geneoligies, I felt in my heart that something was coming to light, an understanding in my soul. Cant wait for the full revalation. But all is in Our Lord Gods timing, so I wait still. Just hope my eye sight holds up. :) I may need one of the larger text bibles soon. The wages of age I guess.
Thankyou for your perspective on all. Every step is a little easyer when others are with you to help you see the details. :D
God bless, pickles
 

pickles

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You know Jesus was around in the Old Testament right?

'Before Abraham was, I AM'

'Your Father Abraham rejoiced to SEE my day'

Job believed in a redeemer.. so did David..

in the OT.. people still had faith in Christ.. awaiting His resurrection and atonement in the future..

in the NT.. we look back at the resurrection and atonement..

same God in both.. faith in Jesus
Thankyou wattie, I put you and mcubed on the same answer about Jesus in the old testament.
Another of my mix it up moments. :eek: :D
Thankyou and God bless, pickles
 

pickles

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Ah, I forgot to add, watch how Moses is with the people and with God, as this is very important.
Thankyou vw, I m praying your hand is compleatly healed soon. I hope the pain is better.
It is interesting your statement about God Our Father developing a relationship.
As I read I had that same impression. That God was just working on his relationship skills with us through better comunication.
I hope this is not out there to say, but it felt like God Our Father was working on getting to know us as well. If this is true, it puts a whole different perspective on all.
I was amazed as well at how many times Moses spoke for the people, I am still pondering that part.
I just have to get through this difficult part, it is a bit of a struggle for me because of my retention issues. I keep losing my place and having to read again and again. But thats God Our Fathers way of making the words stick I guess.
Its funny , we are watching the 10 commandments right now on tv. I think Im driving my hubby nuts with my pointing out all the mistakes. :D
Thankyou and God bless, pickles
 

pickles

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Heb 11:6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


dig through it, stay in there. It will be worth it
Thankyou Thaddaeus, each persons encouragement and teaching has helped so much.
I was getting a bit frustrated because of my problems in reading. But with your and everyones help I am now more interested than ever!
Thankyou all for this!
God bless, pickles
 
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So, I begun reading the old teastament again. I enjoyed the first two books alot, but now Im struggling through the laws. Many have spoken to the hidden messages, or the simbolism, but right now Im simply reading all ,as Gods begginings with us. So far I see us as being a rebellious lot, plenty of sinning, whining, and wanting our way. Not to different from today.:)
But I also see us as getting to know God Our Father and his will for us. When you think about how patient God Our Father is, giving us free will , teaching us. A childlike lot of kids in a sandbox fighting over everything. God working for us continuosly, wanting to impart his wisdom.
So far the old testament seems to be alot more about God Our Father just knowing us and us getting to know God Our Father. Of course there is much more, but like I said, Im reading it like Im just apart of it. I am truelly amazed at how patient God Our Father is. I also see better why we needed Jesus so much.
So as you have read the old testament, what have been your impressions?
What do you think of some of the strange points, those things that make no sence at all.
Also, I started to skip over the laws, but then I remembered my own words, eat your bible vegies!
So tonight I will go back and read those endless directions. I figure it was part of knowing God Our Father then, so I need to see all through the eyes of those then.
Please share with me, Im hopeing your words will inspire me when I hit the long dry spots, helping me to see more there.
Thankyou and God bless, pickles
I believe the laws accomplished the following primary points:

- Laid out the foundation of what is truly holy and because the Israelites (and ourselves) will fail, it shows that we cannot meet God's standards no matter how hard we try of our own will.

- Many of the "strange" laws were actually set to keep the Israelites from sinning of idolatry. For example, the beard shaving law kept the Israelites from partaking in a pagan worship ritual that involved shaving beards.

- Some of the laws (such as bodily emissions) show that we are born with sin-nature and we cannot control it.
 

pickles

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I believe the laws accomplished the following primary points:

- Laid out the foundation of what is truly holy and because the Israelites (and ourselves) will fail, it shows that we cannot meet God's standards no matter how hard we try of our own will.

- Many of the "strange" laws were actually set to keep the Israelites from sinning of idolatry. For example, the beard shaving law kept the Israelites from partaking in a pagan worship ritual that involved shaving beards.

- Some of the laws (such as bodily emissions) show that we are born with sin-nature and we cannot control it.
Thankyou oopsies, I had always wondered about the shaving of beards, my neighbors ,while I was a child never shaved theirs.
I have always loved how many of the laws were based in ether a simple wisdom or just God protesting them from some danger.
Every bit has so much more than just the law.
Thankyou and God bless, pickles
 

phil36

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Hi Pickles,

I hope these little snippets help you through your study, they have helped me a lot in reading the Old Testament... ( A good way would be to follow the bible reading plan shanaynay posted) We have to remember also that God giving the Law was grace to His people, it reflected his Holiness, the people were to be Holy as God was Holy. These are just short pieces to show you how the Old Testament is Shadows and types of the Christ who was to come. and through all this you can see how God is Faithful to His promises through all of redemptive history (the covenant with Abraham).

Genesis:

After God creates a world of fullness and blessing. Adams fall disrupts the harmony. God purposes to renew fruitfulness and blessing through the offspring of the women (3:15), Christ is the ultimate offspring (Gal 3:16) who brings climatic victory (Heb 2:14-15). Genesis traces the beginning of a line of Godly offspring, through Seth, Enoch, Noah, and then God's choice of Abraham and his offspring (Gen 12:2-3,7; 13:14-17; 15:4-5; 17:1-4; 18:18; 26:2-5; 28:13-25). Take careful note of the covenant made with Abraham as it is through this that we as gentiles are blessed (Galatians).

Exodus:

Through Moses God redeems his people from slavery in Egypt, prefiguring Christ's eternal redemption of his people from slavery.

Leviticus:

The requirement of Holiness points to the holiness of Christ (Heb 7:26-28). The Sacrifices prefigure the sacrifice of Christ (Heb 10:1-10). After you have read Leviticus I would advise having a read of Hebrews and it come to life for you. Hebrews has been called the Christians commentary on Leviticus.

Numbers:

The journey through the wilderness prefigures the Christian journey through this world to the new world (1 Cor 10:1-11; Heb 4:3 -10).

Deuteronomy:

The righteous wisdom of the law of God prefigures the righteousness of Christ, which is given to His people. The anticipation of entering the Promised Land prefigures Christians' hope for the new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1-22:5).

Joshua:

The conquest through Joshua prefigures Christ conquering His enemies. Both Satan (Heb 2:14-15) and rebellious beings. The conquest takes place both through the gospel (Matt 28:18-20)and in the destruction at the second coming (Rev 19:11-21).


Judges:

The Judges save Israel, thus prefiguring Christ. But Judges have flaws and failures, and Israel repeatedly slips back into Idolatry (2:19), spiraling downward into chaos, they need a King (21:25), and not only a King but a perfect King, the Messiah (Isa 9:6-7). Even though they rebel God and bring Judgment God always shows grace to His people and brings His children back.


Ruth:
The line of offspring leading to Christ goes through Judah to Boaz to David (4:18-22; Matt 1:5-6). Boaz the redeemer (Ruth 2:20), prefigures Christ, enables Naomi's disgrace to be removed and Ruth, a foreigner, to be included in God's people (prefiguring the inclusion of the gentiles, Gal3:7-9,14-18'29) also remember God's covenant with Abraham.. you can start to see now how God is working and is steadfast to His promise!!!!!


1 Samuel:

David, the King after God's own heart (16:7; Acts 13:22), prefigures Christ, in contrast to Saul, who is the kind of King the people want (1 Sam 8:5, 19-20). Saul's persecution of David prefigures worldly peoples persecution of Christ and of Christs people.



I hope these help Pickles and to anyone else, I will put the rest online if you want them?

In Love

Phil

 

pickles

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Hi Pickles,

I hope these little snippets help you through your study, they have helped me a lot in reading the Old Testament... ( A good way would be to follow the bible reading plan shanaynay posted) We have to remember also that God giving the Law was grace to His people, it reflected his Holiness, the people were to be Holy as God was Holy. These are just short pieces to show you how the Old Testament is Shadows and types of the Christ who was to come. and through all this you can see how God is Faithful to His promises through all of redemptive history (the covenant with Abraham).

Genesis:

After God creates a world of fullness and blessing. Adams fall disrupts the harmony. God purposes to renew fruitfulness and blessing through the offspring of the women (3:15), Christ is the ultimate offspring (Gal 3:16) who brings climatic victory (Heb 2:14-15). Genesis traces the beginning of a line of Godly offspring, through Seth, Enoch, Noah, and then God's choice of Abraham and his offspring (Gen 12:2-3,7; 13:14-17; 15:4-5; 17:1-4; 18:18; 26:2-5; 28:13-25). Take careful note of the covenant made with Abraham as it is through this that we as gentiles are blessed (Galatians).

Exodus:

Through Moses God redeems his people from slavery in Egypt, prefiguring Christ's eternal redemption of his people from slavery.

Leviticus:

The requirement of Holiness points to the holiness of Christ (Heb 7:26-28). The Sacrifices prefigure the sacrifice of Christ (Heb 10:1-10). After you have read Leviticus I would advise having a read of Hebrews and it come to life for you. Hebrews has been called the Christians commentary on Leviticus.

Numbers:

The journey through the wilderness prefigures the Christian journey through this world to the new world (1 Cor 10:1-11; Heb 4:3 -10).

Deuteronomy:

The righteous wisdom of the law of God prefigures the righteousness of Christ, which is given to His people. The anticipation of entering the Promised Land prefigures Christians' hope for the new heaven and new earth (Rev 21:1-22:5).

Joshua:

The conquest through Joshua prefigures Christ conquering His enemies. Both Satan (Heb 2:14-15) and rebellious beings. The conquest takes place both through the gospel (Matt 28:18-20)and in the destruction at the second coming (Rev 19:11-21).


Judges:

The Judges save Israel, thus prefiguring Christ. But Judges have flaws and failures, and Israel repeatedly slips back into Idolatry (2:19), spiraling downward into chaos, they need a King (21:25), and not only a King but a perfect King, the Messiah (Isa 9:6-7). Even though they rebel God and bring Judgment God always shows grace to His people and brings His children back.


Ruth:
The line of offspring leading to Christ goes through Judah to Boaz to David (4:18-22; Matt 1:5-6). Boaz the redeemer (Ruth 2:20), prefigures Christ, enables Naomi's disgrace to be removed and Ruth, a foreigner, to be included in God's people (prefiguring the inclusion of the gentiles, Gal3:7-9,14-18'29) also remember God's covenant with Abraham.. you can start to see now how God is working and is steadfast to His promise!!!!!


1 Samuel:

David, the King after God's own heart (16:7; Acts 13:22), prefigures Christ, in contrast to Saul, who is the kind of King the people want (1 Sam 8:5, 19-20). Saul's persecution of David prefigures worldly peoples persecution of Christ and of Christs people.



I hope these help Pickles and to anyone else, I will put the rest online if you want them?

In Love

Phil
Thankyou Phil, I will use these as I read. One of the reasons I felt convicted to read the OT more indepth was because of the relationship of the two testaments. I was once told that all that is in the Ot is confermed in the NT. That both live and prove the other. I have seen this often.
But I believe the reason on my heart more than any other, is my desire to know God Our Father in heaven better. As all is through Jesus Our Lord and Savior, the NT is written and came to be, because of the OT. The Ot is fullfilled by the Nt.
I have returned to, and I am rereading Exodus, had skipped before the tedious parts, now those same scriptures are more alive.
Thankyou Phil for these referances, and thankyou all for your continued help.
God bless, pickles
 
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So, I begun reading the old teastament again. I enjoyed the first two books alot, but now Im struggling through the laws. Many have spoken to the hidden messages, or the simbolism, but right now Im simply reading all ,as Gods begginings with us. So far I see us as being a rebellious lot, plenty of sinning, whining, and wanting our way. Not to different from today.:)
But I also see us as getting to know God Our Father and his will for us. When you think about how patient God Our Father is, giving us free will , teaching us. A childlike lot of kids in a sandbox fighting over everything. God working for us continuosly, wanting to impart his wisdom.
So far the old testament seems to be alot more about God Our Father just knowing us and us getting to know God Our Father. Of course there is much more, but like I said, Im reading it like Im just apart of it. I am truelly amazed at how patient God Our Father is. I also see better why we needed Jesus so much.
So as you have read the old testament, what have been your impressions?
What do you think of some of the strange points, those things that make no sence at all.
Also, I started to skip over the laws, but then I remembered my own words, eat your bible vegies!
So tonight I will go back and read those endless directions. I figure it was part of knowing God Our Father then, so I need to see all through the eyes of those then.
Please share with me, Im hopeing your words will inspire me when I hit the long dry spots, helping me to see more there.
Thankyou and God bless, pickles
The Old Testament is a clear depiction of what happens when you have a group of people that are insistent on having independence from God (because of their sinful nature) in their daily activities, wanting a mediator between them and God in case they needed God, but wanting God to set up a system where they can attain a righteousness to stay in right standing with God without help from God. So God gives out clear instructions on what they need to do to accomplish this. But it is soon seen that humans have no ability to do all that is required on their own without making numerous mistakes. Sin becomes rampant despite God's commands to follow His instructions exactly and God displays the unfortunate reality of the necessary and just consequences of sin.

The law was given to show and give real examples of the futility of humans attaining righteousness on their own. It shows us how it was absolutely necessary for God to step in and save us, as He did when He came in the flesh to die for us.
 

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Well last night I read through sacrifices. Stiil have more to go but wow! Sacrifice was very big then. I had never seen the parts about people sacrificing there own children because as I said in the past I skimmed over these parts. Boy was the world barbaric then.
I see can see why God Our Father gave these laws to man and how important is was to man to have these.
I sometimes felt like I was reading a novel about the cave men. The one BIG differeence is that all is true and how often the presance of the Lord came to man. God in his wisdon took a barbaric culture and made it his, giving civility to man, but also making mans actions holy.
I felt a bit intimidated by God Our Father at first, wondering about if I was far to casual in my prayer with him.
But he helped me see the nessesity of the laws and reasured me, I still have a new respect for his power though.
As I read I saw that the main message of the sacrifice is in the blood. I easly see the relationship to Jesus, but sence that there is a great deal more.
So I continue to read, I do believe as I move forward that as I see how his children grew in knowladge and understanding, I will as well. If anything it has re-enforced the great infinite wisdom and knowladge of God Our Father.
Also how much I need to rest in his knowladge, knowing that I cannot hold it all, but that he holds it for me.
So the reading continues.
Thankyou all, your advice continues to help and encourage me.
I have some questions, but will wait untill I can fully articulate them.
Oh, the scape goat, was it more for man or is there more?
Thankyou and God bless, pickles