At the birth of Christ, in Luke 2:13 (KJV) "And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, 14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." This praise of the heavenly host began the ministry that changed the world. What does it mean?
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For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6
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Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. 1 Peter 1:3-4a
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Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. 1 Peter 1:3-4a
I was going to ask the same thing. Maybe he wants to know what the bold part means, but isn't it self-explanatory? Praise be to God Most High, and share PEACE and LOVE and GOODNESS! The Good News that the salvation of God has come to us in Jesus Christ, God is with us and for us, not against us, and we should be with and for each other, not against each other, as well.
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Peace, goodwill to men is what the heavenly host sang.
They didn't sing about obedience to the torah. They sang about God our Savior,
peace with God because of Jesus, not because of obedience to the torah, peace among man, forgiveness with each other, because God in Christ made peace and forgave us. We have a new covenant through the blood of Christ. Glory to God in the Highest! Let heaven and nature sing!
They didn't sing about obedience to the torah. They sang about God our Savior,
peace with God because of Jesus, not because of obedience to the torah, peace among man, forgiveness with each other, because God in Christ made peace and forgave us. We have a new covenant through the blood of Christ. Glory to God in the Highest! Let heaven and nature sing!
So you claim the "peace" about which the sang is now FLATLY OPPOSED to the "shalom" of Scripture?
Yikes!
And if God is our Savior, then should we obey Him? YES! So why oppose His instructions? Let's obey! (not oppose!)
Furthermore, the gospel of Jesus Christ was the word of faith which Paul preached. This was a TORAH-OBEDIENT gospel of faith. That's WHY Paul quotes the Torah-obedient Dt. 30:14 passage at Rom. 10:8.
Yes, we participate in the New Covenant. And TORAH (Jer. 31:33) passes directly into the New Covenant.
So why oppose the very Torah of the New Covenant in which you participate?
blessings...
BibleGuy
Yikes!
And if God is our Savior, then should we obey Him? YES! So why oppose His instructions? Let's obey! (not oppose!)
Furthermore, the gospel of Jesus Christ was the word of faith which Paul preached. This was a TORAH-OBEDIENT gospel of faith. That's WHY Paul quotes the Torah-obedient Dt. 30:14 passage at Rom. 10:8.
Yes, we participate in the New Covenant. And TORAH (Jer. 31:33) passes directly into the New Covenant.
So why oppose the very Torah of the New Covenant in which you participate?
blessings...
BibleGuy
Ephesians 2:14-18
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
The heavens rang because God was fulfilling His promise to send the Redeemer for mankind.
Peace through reconciliation secured through the blood of Gods Perfect Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Peace through reconciliation not through obedience. The law demanded blood and God met the demands through Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Peace through reconciliation secured through the blood of Gods Perfect Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Peace through reconciliation not through obedience. The law demanded blood and God met the demands through Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Sorry about the confusion. I intended to ask what the bold statement mean to you. The Thayer definitions of the key words are included below.
To God:
Glory
G1391
δόξα
doxa
Thayer Definition:
1) opinion, judgment, view
2) opinion, estimate, whether good or bad concerning someone
2a) in the NT always a good opinion concerning one, resulting in praise, honour, and glory
3) splendour, brightness
3a) of the moon, sun, stars
3b) magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace
3c) majesty
3c1) a thing belonging to God
3c1) the kingly majesty which belongs to him as supreme ruler, majesty in the sense of the absolute perfection of the deity
3c2) a thing belonging to Christ
3c2a) the kingly majesty of the Messiah
3c2b) the absolutely perfect inward or personal excellency of Christ; the majesty
3c3) of the angels
3c3a) as apparent in their exterior brightness
4) a most glorious condition, most exalted state
4a) of that condition with God the Father in heaven to which Christ was raised after he had achieved his work on earth
4b) the glorious condition of blessedness into which is appointed and promised that true Christians shall enter after their Saviour’s return from heaven
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the base of G1380
Citing in TDNT: 2:233, 178
To man:
Peace
G1515
εἰρήνη
eirēnē
Thayer Definition:
1) a state of national tranquillity
1a) exemption from the rage and havoc of war
2) peace between individuals, i.e. harmony, concord
3) security, safety, prosperity, felicity, (because peace and harmony make and keep things safe and prosperous)
4) of the Messiah’s peace
4a) the way that leads to peace (salvation)
5) of Christianity, the tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and content with its earthly lot, of whatsoever sort that is
6) the blessed state of devout and upright men after death
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: probably from a primary verb eiro (to join)
Citing in TDNT: 2:400, 207
Good will
G2107
εὐδοκία
eudokia
Thayer Definition:
1) will, choice
1a) good will, kindly intent, benevolence
2) delight, pleasure, satisfaction
3) desire
3a) for delight in any absent thing easily produces longing for it
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a presumed compound of G2095 and the base of G1380
Citing in TDNT: 2:742, 273
To God:
Glory
G1391
δόξα
doxa
Thayer Definition:
1) opinion, judgment, view
2) opinion, estimate, whether good or bad concerning someone
2a) in the NT always a good opinion concerning one, resulting in praise, honour, and glory
3) splendour, brightness
3a) of the moon, sun, stars
3b) magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace
3c) majesty
3c1) a thing belonging to God
3c1) the kingly majesty which belongs to him as supreme ruler, majesty in the sense of the absolute perfection of the deity
3c2) a thing belonging to Christ
3c2a) the kingly majesty of the Messiah
3c2b) the absolutely perfect inward or personal excellency of Christ; the majesty
3c3) of the angels
3c3a) as apparent in their exterior brightness
4) a most glorious condition, most exalted state
4a) of that condition with God the Father in heaven to which Christ was raised after he had achieved his work on earth
4b) the glorious condition of blessedness into which is appointed and promised that true Christians shall enter after their Saviour’s return from heaven
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the base of G1380
Citing in TDNT: 2:233, 178
To man:
Peace
G1515
εἰρήνη
eirēnē
Thayer Definition:
1) a state of national tranquillity
1a) exemption from the rage and havoc of war
2) peace between individuals, i.e. harmony, concord
3) security, safety, prosperity, felicity, (because peace and harmony make and keep things safe and prosperous)
4) of the Messiah’s peace
4a) the way that leads to peace (salvation)
5) of Christianity, the tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and content with its earthly lot, of whatsoever sort that is
6) the blessed state of devout and upright men after death
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: probably from a primary verb eiro (to join)
Citing in TDNT: 2:400, 207
Good will
G2107
εὐδοκία
eudokia
Thayer Definition:
1) will, choice
1a) good will, kindly intent, benevolence
2) delight, pleasure, satisfaction
3) desire
3a) for delight in any absent thing easily produces longing for it
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a presumed compound of G2095 and the base of G1380
Citing in TDNT: 2:742, 273
hi there, Billy 
this is what sprang to my mind:
Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we[SUP][/SUP] rejoice[SUP][/SUP] in hope of the glory of God. (Rom 5:1-2)
is that the kind of thing you had in mind?
this is what sprang to my mind:
Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we[SUP][/SUP] rejoice[SUP][/SUP] in hope of the glory of God. (Rom 5:1-2)
is that the kind of thing you had in mind?
Amen!
Thats pretty much what i said, Roger. Thank you.
Who is this bible guy jumping all over me out of the gate with false accusations and legalism?
I never said oppose or 'flatly oppose' anything, and all this keeping of laws is not what the heavenly host was singing about.
I was merely trying to answer the OP question regarding the highlighted portion of the verse, which, thank you billyd, for affirming that, with your clarification and word definitions.
Thats pretty much what i said, Roger. Thank you.
Who is this bible guy jumping all over me out of the gate with false accusations and legalism?
I never said oppose or 'flatly oppose' anything, and all this keeping of laws is not what the heavenly host was singing about.
I was merely trying to answer the OP question regarding the highlighted portion of the verse, which, thank you billyd, for affirming that, with your clarification and word definitions.
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*“These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. *But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. *Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. *You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I. - John 14:25-28 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John14:25-28&version=NIV