Matthew 7:21-23

[Mec99]

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

Today we are seeing Matthew 7 coming to light. We see many people on this chat site claiming to be a Christian but yet teaching lies of Satan.

Agree or disagree? What are you thoughts? Have you know people on here who teach nothing but the lies of Satan?

 

[Vdp]

I agree. I am seeing many here teaching what they want, not what God says. It seems as if True Christianity today is dying. Too many people want their ears tickled with lies.

2 Timothy 4:3,4
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

The Catholic Church today is a good example of this.

 

[Ahwatukee]

‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

When those in the scripture above find out that they are not entering into the kingdom of God, they reveal the reason why by their own response, "did we not?" We cannot enter into the kingdom of God by our own efforts, which is what these will have been trusting in. We are saved by what Jesus did, not by what we do. Those above are attempting to enter in by prophesying, casting out demons and performing miracles. Basically they're not having faith in what Jesus did but in what they did.

 

[notuptome]

While there is an individual application of these verses in the context of Mat 5,6 and 7 this is Kingdom Discourse and it Christ speaking of judging nations not individual believers.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[iwant2serve]

The passage is not talking about people who think they are saved but people who are falsely teaching and in the end think there works will get them in. The passages of scripture above state what kind of people they are. Also we must know the difference in error and false teaching. Everyone who is in error does not qualify as a false teacher.

 

[lastofall]

This final warning Christ gave in His Sermon was a direct result of His ultimatum in verses 13-14, and there be many which shall go in at the wide gate and broad way that leads to destruction, because will suppose it is the way to heaven: this He speaks also to those who thought they were Christians, and are not, but have believed a lie. False teachers abound, which is why now in this present time is the expansion of sin so great.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

Today we are seeing Matthew 7 coming to light. We see many people on this chat site claiming to be a Christian but yet teaching lies of Satan.

Agree or disagree? What are you thoughts? Have you know people on here who teach nothing but the lies of Satan?

With such a dire warning it behooves us to understand what exactly doing the will of GOD is. Obeying the words of the lord is what comes to my mind. Obey my voice.

 

[Grace777x70]

Notice that in Matt 7:19-33..Jesus said:

"I never knew you "...these people were not believers...( Jesus never said " I used to know you once."..He said I NEVER knew you at all...).

Everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....Jesus said that He "knows" His sheep so those in Matt. 7:19-33 are not true Christians.

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.


Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world

Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:


It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)

[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being lead by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we life our lives dependent on Him. It is His fruit that bears in and through us.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

[UnderGrace]

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

Today we are seeing Matthew 7 coming to light. We see many people on this chat site claiming to be a Christian but yet teaching lies of Satan.

Agree or disagree? What are you thoughts? Have you know people on here who teach nothing but the lies of Satan?

What do you consider the lies of Satan? Satan lies about everything so I am not sure what you are referring to.

 

[thepsalmist]

Read in scripture what precedes the OP ...

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

[thepsalmist]

The LACK of fruits of the Spirit on this board is astounding ...

 

[John146]

When those in the scripture above find out that they are not entering into the kingdom of God, they reveal the reason why by their own response, "did we not?" We cannot enter into the kingdom of God by our own efforts, which is what these will have been trusting in. We are saved by what Jesus did, not by what we do. Those above are attempting to enter in by prophesying, casting out demons and performing miracles. Basically they're not having faith in what Jesus did but in what they did.

Kingdom of Heaven or Kingdom of God? They are not the same, thus the two terms. Kingdom of Heaven is only used in Matthew concerning the Jewish kingdom prophesied and promised through the Davidic covenant with the Messiah restoring the kingdom to Israel and ruling over the whole earth. Whereas the Kingdom of God is the spiritual kingdom in which the believer of the gospel resides. Both were talked about in the four Gospels and both are different aspects of the kingdom.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Read in scripture what precedes the OP ...

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

There is a "therefore" in verse 24 also, that would place obedience to Jesus with his words making the foundation of two (Him and his words) as is shown in Luke 6:49 also

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

I included the "therefore" in the below and tried to refine this a bit better

"Lord Lord" is often used in examples where he is adressing them
who do not as he says.

For example,

He then goes onto the one "coming to him", and hearing him and doing what he says

And this is laying the foundation on a rock (hearing Christ and doing His words)

Whereas this one is without a foundation (which heareth and doeth not Christ's words)

Again, the "Lord Lord" is tied into not doing the things he says

The next verse is often cut off but tere is a "therefore" in verse 24

And to the contrary in the following verse

Paul also confirms the foundation of God and adresses those who name Christ
to depart from iniquity

Which is what will be adressed at that time

That one apparently comes into dispute for words of "never knew"

Here another here also

So we have "let every one that nameth the name of the Christ
to depart from inquity" or the words Jesus said he would say to them, which was
"I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity" (see Luke 13:27 also)

"In thy name" is mentioned three times in things believers would also do as is shown in Matt 7:22
where it shows he does not know these who say "Lord Lord" (and of those which say the same in Luke 13:25-27 he says, "I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye that work iniquity". Whereas in 2 Ti 2:19
where Paul speaks of the foundation of God standeth sure itself (which is Jesus Christ and his words Luke 6:49) he mentions this foundation being sure, and the seal itself in the same, saying, "The Lord knoweth them that are his". commands them which name the name of Christ (which is also alluded to in Mat 7:22 three times) to depart from iniquity. Which would make sense if them which work it are told to depart from Jesus Christ.

Paul would be aware that Jesus said he would say unto these "I never knew you, depart from me ye that "work iniquity" (as shown in Matt 7:23 ) or in Luke 13:27 even, where he says, "I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity". I added that in since there is some argument over the word "never" in Matt 7:23 so I thought I should include Luke 13:27 also


And knowing him would be an intimate thing as someone brought up as even Jesus said,

So he was sent to bless in turning them away from their inquities

That he might redeem us from all iniquity

Who we yeild ourselves to, as obedience is unto righteousness

Even when we were once disobedient, grace is for the obedience of the faith

As ye have yeilded your members to inquity change course be servants of righteousness

 

[Ahwatukee]

Kingdom of Heaven or Kingdom of God? They are not the same, thus the two terms. Kingdom of Heaven is only used in Matthew concerning the Jewish kingdom prophesied and promised through the Davidic covenant with the Messiah restoring the kingdom to Israel and ruling over the whole earth. Whereas the Kingdom of God is the spiritual kingdom in which the believer of the gospel resides. Both were talked about in the four Gospels and both are different aspects of the kingdom.

Hi John,

I personally don't believe that there is a difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven, but are just two different ways of saying the same thing, like "the book of life" and "the Lamb's book of life." The point that I was making is that, the response of those whom Jesus is speaking to will be those--though believing themselves to be believers--their response demonstrates what they will have been trusting in, which is their efforts. The will of the Father is to believe in the One whom He sent and these will have not been trusting in Him, but their own works.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hi John,

I personally don't believe that there is a difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven, but are just two different ways of saying the same thing, like "the book of life" and "the Lamb's book of life." The point that I was making is that, the response of those whom Jesus is speaking to will be those--though believing themselves to be believers--their response demonstrates what they will have been trusting in, which is their efforts. The will of the Father is to believe in the One whom He sent and these will have not been trusting in Him, but their own works.

I agree as scriptures does bear this out.

Here is a link that shows parallel scriptures using both terms interchangeability from Matthew to Mark to Luke.

What is the difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven?

 

[Ahwatukee]

I agree as scriptures does bear this out.

Here is a link that shows parallel scriptures using both terms interchangeability from Matthew to Mark to Luke.

What is the difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven?

Hello Grace777x70,

You beat me to it! I was going go and see if they had anything to say about this and they obviously did. There are a couple of these terms in scripture with slightly different designations referring to the same thing such the one I already mentioned, the book of life vs. the lamb's book of life, lake of fire vs. lake burning with fire and sulfur, kingdom of heaven vs. the kingdom of God, etc. Speaking of these, in Tim Lahaye's book "Revelation Unveiled" (not) he believes that the book of life and the Lamb's book of life are two separated books and he does the same thing with the 144,000. He thinks that the 144,000 mentioned in chapter 7 are a completely different group from the 144,000 mentioned in chapter 14. After reading that book, I think that he should stick to the "fiction based on none fiction stories" and leave off writing on Interpreting the book of Revelation. I started out just to read the book and I found myself highlighting some much that I created a document on all the scriptural errors within that book and there are many.

 

[John146]

I agree as scriptures does bear this out.

Here is a link that shows parallel scriptures using both terms interchangeability from Matthew to Mark to Luke.

What is the difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven?

I know those very well, but I would add that the four gospels have a slightly different audience. Matthew is more concerning the Jews and the promised Messiah and that Messiah restoring their kingdom on earth. This the the kingdom of heaven.

Let me ask you, when the Lord Jesus spoke one of those "parallel" passages, which did He actually say, kingdom of heaven or kingdom of God? Why the two terms that, biblically, do not mean the same thing? Is there a possibility that the kingdom has two different aspects, a literal, physical aspect and a spiritual aspect?

 

[Katy-follower]

How sad that day will be. This scripture speaks of the religious that depended on their works of self, rather than the work of Jesus. There's a clue here, because many will call Him "Lord" which suggests that they identify with christianity, so many of them will be christians that were never really saved.... and He was never really their Lord.

How scary when they come to that realization that they were deceived, but they will plead and present all the things they did. Can you even comprehend someone standing before Jesus and telling Him what they did for Him?!!!

The fact that He wants us to know about that future "Lord" bit seems to indicate a warning today to all who call themselves christians, to be sure they're in the faith.

2 Corinthians 13:5-6: "Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified. But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified"

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

[FONT=&quot] Zacchaeus seemed to want Christs approval[/FONT]

Luke 19:8 [FONT=&quot]And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore [/FONT]him[FONT=&quot] fourfold.

Luke 19:9 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

The iniquity and not the works seemed to be the problem, Paul said to depart from working it, and Jesus shows what he will say to them who still work it.


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