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Here's an interesting read on it: Why Do Catholics Pray to Mary? | Desiring God
I believe that it is taking Scripture and twisting it slightly. "Blessed be you among women" I think makes them feel that she should be praised. Then, they believe that mothers had absolute authority over their children, so some feel that she is the intercessor for them with Jesus, because He will do as she says, but we know that the Bible tells us that we should have no other gods before God and that would mean not praying to anyone else, including Mary or saints. So, I think that they have just been "raised" in the Catholic mentality and no one has really questioned it enough to depart from it as a whole.
I believe that it is taking Scripture and twisting it slightly. "Blessed be you among women" I think makes them feel that she should be praised. Then, they believe that mothers had absolute authority over their children, so some feel that she is the intercessor for them with Jesus, because He will do as she says, but we know that the Bible tells us that we should have no other gods before God and that would mean not praying to anyone else, including Mary or saints. So, I think that they have just been "raised" in the Catholic mentality and no one has really questioned it enough to depart from it as a whole.
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Mystery Babylonian religion. Nimbrod's wife Semiramis, it's who the catholic church alludes to when they pray to Mary. Very sick and twisted stuff. She's on the Starbucks logo and the source of the mermaid mythology as the myth is Nimrod found her in the sea as a creature. She ran an old time brothel. This rabbit hole goes deep and to strange places.
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The short answer.....from satan. Way back in he beginning. Nimrod's wife Semiramis declared him a god after his death. She had his child naming him Tammuz, the reincarnated Nimrod. A quick foot note. The worship of the cross is stemmed from the letter T of Tammuz. This is history before Christ ever died on the cross.
God split the people with different languages. They took this 'new' religion with them. The names changed down through the centuries with many twists and turns. Shrines and statues were erected depicting the 'queen of heaven' holding a baby god. (see: Jeremiah 7:18).
To the pagans, that pushed back on the restraints of the true God, Psalms 2:3, this was their goddess of choice along with a miriad of gods.
Constantine declard pagan Rome christian, renaming the false dieties with biblical names. The names of this one goddess were many. Ashtoreth, Lilith, Virgo, Artimis, Anat, Astraea, Athena, Europa, Isis, Aphrodite, Ceres, Demeter, Diana, Eos, Freya, Gaia, Hella, Hestia, Iris, Juno, Moneta...from which we get the word money, and the list of names continues right down to Mariology, the worship of Mary. Mary would be appalled to know she has been exalted as a goddess, the root being Semiramis.
Some ancient art depict this goddess riding on a beast holding a cup. See Revelation 17. Its more the whole sydtem of rebellion that engulfs the planet.
Even the statue of liberty has its roots in goddess worship. This is Rome's goddess Libertus.
We owe the veneration of Mary to Nimrod's wife.
God split the people with different languages. They took this 'new' religion with them. The names changed down through the centuries with many twists and turns. Shrines and statues were erected depicting the 'queen of heaven' holding a baby god. (see: Jeremiah 7:18).
To the pagans, that pushed back on the restraints of the true God, Psalms 2:3, this was their goddess of choice along with a miriad of gods.
Constantine declard pagan Rome christian, renaming the false dieties with biblical names. The names of this one goddess were many. Ashtoreth, Lilith, Virgo, Artimis, Anat, Astraea, Athena, Europa, Isis, Aphrodite, Ceres, Demeter, Diana, Eos, Freya, Gaia, Hella, Hestia, Iris, Juno, Moneta...from which we get the word money, and the list of names continues right down to Mariology, the worship of Mary. Mary would be appalled to know she has been exalted as a goddess, the root being Semiramis.
Some ancient art depict this goddess riding on a beast holding a cup. See Revelation 17. Its more the whole sydtem of rebellion that engulfs the planet.
Even the statue of liberty has its roots in goddess worship. This is Rome's goddess Libertus.
We owe the veneration of Mary to Nimrod's wife.
Its like the goddess worship they were doing with the one called "Queen of Heaven" in Jeremiah's day (Jeremiah 7:18)
And the Romans are just bent towards paganism. I mean, you can see how they take the names given to pagan goddess or gods and sort of move them over onto the holy men and women, sort of like how they put the Queen of Heaven onto Mary (and do sacrifice unto her) or what they began to do with Paul and Barnabas except they could tell them not to do it (whereas Mary really cant persuade them to knock it off)
For example here
Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Just as the same can be shown in regards to Mary calling her the Queen of heaven (Jeremiah 7:18) which now ressembles more of a tradition seeing its been down so long, even as theses also said so much here...
Jeremiah 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth (there is an oral tradition, ) to burn incense (which signifys prayer also see Psalm 141:2) unto the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
Those things brought in, being prone to idolatries, unto whom they will offer sacrifice (whether to images, bowing knee in worship to images) or offering the same praises and prayers unto, it seems to displace right things (such as the one mediator) and slip in another and justify themselves before men (oh poor Mary needs a place too right?)
Turning and offering what belongs to God and offering it unto holy men (even on earth) as an example of the same could be shown in Acts where they begain to bring oxen and garland to them which were really about to offer these in sacrifice and as unto Barnabas (as Jupiter) and unto Paul (as Mercurious) in it
Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Acts 14:13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city,
brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of,
they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things?We also are men of like passions with you,
and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God,
which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Acts 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
Acts 14:17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven,
and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Acts 14:18 And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people,
that they had not done sacrifice unto them.
But at least its noted that the apostles preached against offering anything to themselves
and that doing so is vanity and something they ought to turn from.
If you say anything about (and because it is Mary to whom they displaced these things onto) they oftentimes respond similar to the same here
Acts 19:28And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.
(And they did that for the space of two hours Acts 19:34) LOL, can you imagine?
Because when you say on their territory they typically go into Mary convulsions,
"Oh Great art thou Mary mother of God, Hail to thee...etc, etc etc
Well, you get the point because dem' "Hail Mary's can go on for ever too,
How many O Priest??
Folks are thankful for the ten
And the Romans are just bent towards paganism. I mean, you can see how they take the names given to pagan goddess or gods and sort of move them over onto the holy men and women, sort of like how they put the Queen of Heaven onto Mary (and do sacrifice unto her) or what they began to do with Paul and Barnabas except they could tell them not to do it (whereas Mary really cant persuade them to knock it off)
For example here
Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Just as the same can be shown in regards to Mary calling her the Queen of heaven (Jeremiah 7:18) which now ressembles more of a tradition seeing its been down so long, even as theses also said so much here...
Jeremiah 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth (there is an oral tradition, ) to burn incense (which signifys prayer also see Psalm 141:2) unto the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
Those things brought in, being prone to idolatries, unto whom they will offer sacrifice (whether to images, bowing knee in worship to images) or offering the same praises and prayers unto, it seems to displace right things (such as the one mediator) and slip in another and justify themselves before men (oh poor Mary needs a place too right?)
Turning and offering what belongs to God and offering it unto holy men (even on earth) as an example of the same could be shown in Acts where they begain to bring oxen and garland to them which were really about to offer these in sacrifice and as unto Barnabas (as Jupiter) and unto Paul (as Mercurious) in it
Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Acts 14:13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city,
brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of,
they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things?We also are men of like passions with you,
and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God,
which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Acts 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
Acts 14:17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven,
and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Acts 14:18 And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people,
that they had not done sacrifice unto them.
But at least its noted that the apostles preached against offering anything to themselves
and that doing so is vanity and something they ought to turn from.
If you say anything about (and because it is Mary to whom they displaced these things onto) they oftentimes respond similar to the same here
Acts 19:28And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.
(And they did that for the space of two hours Acts 19:34) LOL, can you imagine?
Because when you say on their territory they typically go into Mary convulsions,
"Oh Great art thou Mary mother of God, Hail to thee...etc, etc etc
Well, you get the point because dem' "Hail Mary's can go on for ever too,
How many O Priest??
Folks are thankful for the ten
Its like the goddess worship they were doing with the one called "Queen of Heaven" in Jeremiah's day (Jeremiah 7:18)
And the Romans are just bent towards paganism. I mean, you can see how they take the names given to pagan goddess or gods and sort of move them over onto the holy men and women, sort of like how they put the Queen of Heaven onto Mary (and do sacrifice unto her) or what they began to do with Paul and Barnabas except they could tell them not to do it (whereas Mary really cant persuade them to knock it off)
For example here
Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Just as the same can be shown in regards to Mary calling her the Queen of heaven (Jeremiah 7:18) which now ressembles more of a tradition seeing its been down so long, even as theses also said so much here...
Jeremiah 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth (there is an oral tradition, ) to burn incense (which signifys prayer also see Psalm 141:2) unto the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
Those things brought in, being prone to idolatries, unto whom they will offer sacrifice (whether to images, bowing knee in worship to images) or offering the same praises and prayers unto, it seems to displace right things (such as the one mediator) and slip in another and justify themselves before men (oh poor Mary needs a place too right?)
Turning and offering what belongs to God and offering it unto holy men (even on earth) as an example of the same could be shown in Acts where they begain to bring oxen and garland to them which were really about to offer these in sacrifice and as unto Barnabas (as Jupiter) and unto Paul (as Mercurious) in it
Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Acts 14:13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city,
brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of,
they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things?We also are men of like passions with you,
and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God,
which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Acts 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
Acts 14:17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven,
and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Acts 14:18 And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people,
that they had not done sacrifice unto them.
But at least its noted that the apostles preached against offering anything to themselves
and that doing so is vanity and something they ought to turn from.
If you say anything about (and because it is Mary to whom they displaced these things onto) they oftentimes respond similar to the same here
Acts 19:28And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.
(And they did that for the space of two hours Acts 19:34) LOL, can you imagine?
Because when you say on their territory they typically go into Mary convulsions,
"Oh Great art thou Mary mother of God, Hail to thee...etc, etc etc
Well, you get the point because dem' "Hail Mary's can go on for ever too,
How many O Priest??
Folks are thankful for the ten
And the Romans are just bent towards paganism. I mean, you can see how they take the names given to pagan goddess or gods and sort of move them over onto the holy men and women, sort of like how they put the Queen of Heaven onto Mary (and do sacrifice unto her) or what they began to do with Paul and Barnabas except they could tell them not to do it (whereas Mary really cant persuade them to knock it off)
For example here
Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Just as the same can be shown in regards to Mary calling her the Queen of heaven (Jeremiah 7:18) which now ressembles more of a tradition seeing its been down so long, even as theses also said so much here...
Jeremiah 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth (there is an oral tradition, ) to burn incense (which signifys prayer also see Psalm 141:2) unto the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
Those things brought in, being prone to idolatries, unto whom they will offer sacrifice (whether to images, bowing knee in worship to images) or offering the same praises and prayers unto, it seems to displace right things (such as the one mediator) and slip in another and justify themselves before men (oh poor Mary needs a place too right?)
Turning and offering what belongs to God and offering it unto holy men (even on earth) as an example of the same could be shown in Acts where they begain to bring oxen and garland to them which were really about to offer these in sacrifice and as unto Barnabas (as Jupiter) and unto Paul (as Mercurious) in it
Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Acts 14:13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city,
brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of,
they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things?We also are men of like passions with you,
and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God,
which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Acts 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
Acts 14:17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven,
and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Acts 14:18 And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people,
that they had not done sacrifice unto them.
But at least its noted that the apostles preached against offering anything to themselves
and that doing so is vanity and something they ought to turn from.
If you say anything about (and because it is Mary to whom they displaced these things onto) they oftentimes respond similar to the same here
Acts 19:28And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.
(And they did that for the space of two hours Acts 19:34) LOL, can you imagine?
Because when you say on their territory they typically go into Mary convulsions,
"Oh Great art thou Mary mother of God, Hail to thee...etc, etc etc
Well, you get the point because dem' "Hail Mary's can go on for ever too,
How many O Priest??
Folks are thankful for the ten
A few years ago I went to church with my eldest brother and his wife. They are Roman Catholic, and it happened to be May. Yikes. Roman Catholicism dedicates the month of May to Mary. Check this out at your peril...
[SIZE=+1]MENSE MAIO[/SIZE]
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PAUL VI
ON PRAYERS DURING MAY
FOR PRESERVATION OF PEACE
APRIL 29, 1965
2. We are delighted and consoled by this pious custom associated with the month of May, which pays honor to the Blessed Virgin and brings such rich benefits to the Christian people. Since Mary is rightly to be regarded as the way by which we are led to Christ, the person who encounters Mary cannot help but encounter Christ likewise. For what other reason do we continually turn to Mary except to seek the Christ in her arms, to seek our Savior in her, through her, and with her? To Him men are to turn amid the anxieties and perils of this world, urged on by duty and driven by the compelling needs of their heart, to find a haven of salvation, a transcendent fountain of life.
Mense Maio (April 29, 1965) | Paul VI
[SIZE=+1]MENSE MAIO[/SIZE]
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PAUL VI
ON PRAYERS DURING MAY
FOR PRESERVATION OF PEACE
APRIL 29, 1965
To His Venerable Brethren the Patriarchs, Primates, Archbishops, Bishops, and
other Local Ordinaries who are at Peace and in Communion with the Apostolic See.
other Local Ordinaries who are at Peace and in Communion with the Apostolic See.
Venerable Brethren, Health and Apostolic Benediction.
The month of May is almost here, a month which the piety of the faithful has long dedicated to Mary, the Mother of God. Our heart rejoices at the thought of the moving tribute of faith and love which will soon be paid to the Queen of Heaven in every corner of the earth. For this is the month during which Christians, in their churches and their homes, offer the Virgin Mother more fervent and loving acts of homage and veneration; and it is the month in which a greater abundance of God's merciful gifts comes down to us from our Mother's throne.
2. We are delighted and consoled by this pious custom associated with the month of May, which pays honor to the Blessed Virgin and brings such rich benefits to the Christian people. Since Mary is rightly to be regarded as the way by which we are led to Christ, the person who encounters Mary cannot help but encounter Christ likewise. For what other reason do we continually turn to Mary except to seek the Christ in her arms, to seek our Savior in her, through her, and with her? To Him men are to turn amid the anxieties and perils of this world, urged on by duty and driven by the compelling needs of their heart, to find a haven of salvation, a transcendent fountain of life.
Mense Maio (April 29, 1965) | Paul VI
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Jerome was the first guy to translate the Bible from original language into the current modern language -- Latin. He was taking the earliest manuscripts he could study, but remember this was back in the days when you didn't hop on planes to go see one, and you didn't have Google, so he took whatever was close enough to take. And then he had to guess from whatever he had on hand to guess from.
Sort of like what happened centuries later where many versions of the Bible say rabbits aren't clean, but they didn't even have rabbits in that area to worry about if they are or aren't clean.
Anywho, Jerome got some stuff wrong. (I still admire the guy for the dedication and good-try he did give it.) One of the words he got wrong was "repent." He translated it to "penance." Close, but no cigar.
I would imagine he mistranslated stuff about Mary too. And for some reason the RCC has chosen that translation (The Vulgate) as THE translation they stick to even after the debate has been long over that Jerome missed on occasion.
Not demonic. Typical human booboos mixed with stubbornness!
Sort of like what happened centuries later where many versions of the Bible say rabbits aren't clean, but they didn't even have rabbits in that area to worry about if they are or aren't clean.
Anywho, Jerome got some stuff wrong. (I still admire the guy for the dedication and good-try he did give it.) One of the words he got wrong was "repent." He translated it to "penance." Close, but no cigar.
I would imagine he mistranslated stuff about Mary too. And for some reason the RCC has chosen that translation (The Vulgate) as THE translation they stick to even after the debate has been long over that Jerome missed on occasion.
Not demonic. Typical human booboos mixed with stubbornness!