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SteelToedKodiak

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Is Brexit the next phase in setting up Rev 17:12?
 

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Is Brexit the next phase in setting up Rev 17:12?
KJV Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.


Don't believe so...

Dan 7:24 As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.
 
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SteelToedKodiak

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Anytime geo politics rearranges the landscape such as this and the Arab spring, one might hold the changes up to these prophecies especially now days IMO.
 
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LaurenTM

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Anytime geo politics rearranges the landscape such as this and the Arab spring, one might hold the changes up to these prophecies especially now days IMO.

okay

well I see it as a step backwards for a one world order and a step backwards as far as control goes

the Arab spring didn't ever reach summer either that I can see

I should read Revelation again actually. So much that I am already reading and studying at the moment already

I agree that the world stage is certainly very interesting and active at the moment and career politicians are scrambling to make sense of it
 

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We can interpret world events in the light of Scripture but let's not interpret Scripture in the dark of world events.
 

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Is Brexit the next phase in setting up Rev 17:12?
I have been saying that England would leave the EU for years. They are brother Ephraim and are to be punished by the Assyrians (modern day Germany) and the ten kings of the last resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire...

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

but is emerging now in Europe...

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Verse 14 shows they will be in power at the return of Christ...

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Sorry that passage is long but it is completely relevant.
 
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We can interpret world events in the light of Scripture but let's not interpret Scripture in the dark of world events.
We can interpret everything through the reality of Christ Jesus, who is the same yesterday, today and forever.

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The joy of the Lord is our strength! ;)
 

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We can interpret world events in the light of Scripture but let's not interpret Scripture in the dark of world events.
LOL. I am never at a loss of amusement at the way people treat the book of Revelation.
 
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SteelToedKodiak

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Perhaps you could give us an exegesis of chapter 17 and show us why you think this may be true.
In a nutshell, I can see this as a step in the breaking up of a variant reconstructed yet unofficial roman empire in the form of the EU. Bottom line is could this be the positioning of the 10 kings who will hand their power over to the antichrist? There is a huge economical component here, and my guess is not a good one...
 

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In a nutshell, I can see this as a step in the breaking up of a variant reconstructed yet unofficial roman empire in the form of the EU. Bottom line is could this be the positioning of the 10 kings who will hand their power over to the antichrist? There is a huge economical component here, and my guess is not a good one...
I am at a loss to see how you can get this out of Rev. 17. Who is Babylon the Great and the Beast of chapters 17 and 18? And who are the seven kings?
 
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SteelToedKodiak

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I am at a loss to see how you can get this out of Rev. 17. Who is Babylon the Great and the Beast of chapters 17 and 18?
Probably a system, kind of like a mysterious construct of political, social, and military forces all working in concert with the powers of iniquity.
 
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Is Brexit the next phase in setting up Rev 17:12?
I never heard of Brexit until now,but the ten horns is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and when the man of sin addresses the world,that he has harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,and there is no personal God to help mankind,the ten horns hand their power over to him,and that is how he gets control of the world,which 3 of those sections will be plucked up by the roots,which will probably be concentrated among the Arab nations,the first people the man of sin wants to attack.

I did not study about Brexit,so I cannot say anything about it,but the ten horns concerns all the nations of the world.
 
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Probably a system, kind of like a mysterious construct of political, social, and military forces all working in concert with the powers of iniquity.
When the Bible speaks of Babylon it means in spirit,for Babylon represents the kingdom of man,and the Bible says Babylon will never have dominion again,but the Roman Empire will not have her dominion put down until Jesus puts them down,and the man of sin will come from the Roman Empire.

Mystery Babylon,the whore,the woman,represents the false religions of the world,in one system,for Babylon is represented as human religion.When the beast addresses the world,that he is God,by harnessing the power of nature,believing other people can to,but believing that he has achieved more power than any other person,and there is no personal God to help mankind,they shall get rid of the unified religious system,which is why the Bible says the ten horns shall hate the whore,the unified religious system,and burn her with fire,and eat her flesh,and make her desolate,for they have no need of her anymore,and there agenda is not religion,but people can harness the power of nature for personal power,the only salvation they need,for there is no God that can benefit them.

The beast is the man of sin,the antichrist,and the little horn,that deceives the world,that gets his power from Satan.

The beast kingdom involves the whole world,Gentile nations,which God said He is going to gather all nations together to battle against Israel,which God will save Israel.
 

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I have been saying that England would leave the EU for years. They are brother Ephraim and are to be punished by the Assyrians (modern day Germany) and the ten kings of the last resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire...

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

but is emerging now in Europe...

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Verse 14 shows they will be in power at the return of Christ...

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Sorry that passage is long but it is completely relevant.
Brother Ephraim? Punished by the Germans? Where in the world do you get your theology? On the back of a Corn flake Packet? We British are not Jewish but descended from a hotch potch of European peoples including Celts, Romans, Saxons, Vikings and Normans.

I concede that the EU is the latest attempt to rebuild the Roman Empire but there have been several other attempts in the past and all of them have failed one way or another. The last one being Nazi Germany, Whether the EU is the actual beast of Revelation is open to debate. Whatever it is present trends appear to be that it wont last. I dont think the UK will be the only member to leave.
 

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Probably a system, kind of like a mysterious construct of political, social, and military forces all working in concert with the powers of iniquity.
I see Babylon the Great as Jerusalem, the Beast as first century Rome, and the seven kings as the first seven Roman emperors. The ten kings of verse 12 were the ten tributary kings of Rome who had no kingdom of their own because they received their authority from the beast for a little while.[FONT=Georgia, serif][/FONT]
 
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SteelToedKodiak

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Brother Ephraim? Punished by the Germans? Where in the world do you get your theology? On the back of a Corn flake Packet? We British are not Jewish but descended from a hotch potch of European peoples including Celts, Romans, Saxons, Vikings and Normans.

I concede that the EU is the latest attempt to rebuild the Roman Empire but there have been several other attempts in the past and all of them have failed one way or another. The last one being Nazi Germany, Whether the EU is the actual beast of Revelation is open to debate. Whatever it is present trends appear to be that it wont last. I dont think the UK will be the only member to leave.
Ireland will be an interesting place to be starting now...
 
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SteelToedKodiak

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I see Babylon the Great as Jerusalem, the Beast as first century Rome, and the seven kings as the first seven Roman emperors. The ten kings of verse 12 were the ten tributary kings of Rome who had no kingdom of their own because they received their authority from the beast for a little while.[FONT=Georgia, serif][/FONT]
Do you see Jerusalem as the capital center of the system of Babylon? Also, are you saying the ten kings are a historical reference vs one to come?
 

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Do you see Jerusalem as the capital center of the system of Babylon? Also, are you saying the ten kings are a historical reference vs one to come?
Yes, I think it is historical but here is why I believe Jerusalem is Babylon.
Chapter seventeen is yet another scene in Revelation of Jerusalem's judgment but in chapter seventeen we find something that is not given in the other chapters depicting this same event. In this chapter the angel provides us with more clear definitions of the symbols.
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me saying, “Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed acts of immorality, and those who dwell on the earth were made drunk with the wine of her immorality.”

1. The subject of the scene is judgment.

2. The object of the judgment is the “great harlot.” This is not the first time God uses the word harlot to describe a nation but he only seems to use this term to describe a once faithful nation. God said of Nineveh, “All because of the many harlotries of the harlot, the charming one, the mistress of sorceries, who sells nations by her harlotries and families by her sorceries. Behold, I am against you,” declares the LORD of hosts...” Nahum 3:4-5. Like Nineveh, Jerusalem became a harlot when she began to prefer other nations to Jehovah.
3. She sits upon many waters. This imagery is taken directly from Jeremiah 51:13 in which God pronounces his judgment upon the actual ancient city of Babylon. It is fitting that John uses this imagery in speaking of Jerusalem as Babylon the great. The “sitting upon many waters” is used by Jeremiah as a symbol depicting the wealth that Babylon had amassed as a result of trade and alliances with the other nations. Jerusalem is accused of doing the same thing with the allied nations of Rome.
4. She is guilty of immorality with the nations. Her desire was not in the Lord, it was to be like the nations around her. This desire seems to be amplified in the fact that “the kings of the earth committed acts of immorality” with her “and those who dwell on the earth were made drunk with the wine of her immorality.”

The woman sitting on the scarlet beast, 3-6

1. The woman is the harlot, Babylon, Jerusalem.
2. The beast is Rome represented in scarlet. This may be a representation of the sinful character of the beast. God has used this imagery in the past to describe the sinful conditions of Judah and Jerusalem in Isaiah 1:18. It may also be used to depict royalty.
3. The beast was full of blasphemous names. In other words, Rome was full of idolatry, irreverence and reproach against God and his people.
4. The beast had seven heads and ten horns. We will look more closely at this later from verses 9-14.
5. The woman was beautifully adorned in royal apparel. Ezekiel 16:10-14,
I also clothed you with embroidered cloth and put sandals of porpoise skin on your feet; and I wrapped you with fine linen and covered you with silk. “I adorned you with ornaments, put bracelets on your hands and a necklace around your neck. “I also put a ring in your nostril, earrings in your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. “Thus you were adorned with gold and silver, and your dress was of fine linen, silk and embroidered cloth. You ate fine flour, honey and oil; so you were exceedingly beautiful and advanced to royalty. “Then your fame went forth among the nations on account of your beauty, for it was perfect because of My splendor which I bestowed on you,” declares the Lord GOD.”
6. Her cup was full of abominations of unclean things and immorality, Read Ezekiel 16:15-43 and see how God described the harlotry of ancient Israel. There was no difference between the behavior of ancient Israel and Israel of the first century and the fate of both were the same. She is assigned to destruction.
7. Her name is “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” She is the source of every type of unclean behavior. (In 11:8,she is also the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.”)
[FONT=Georgia, serif]8. She is a murderous woman. She is a destroyer of the saints. More than that, she had acquired an unrelenting appetite for destroying those whom God had sent to her. Killing the saints and the prophets had become an intoxicating addiction. “I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. “Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!Matthew 23:34-38.[/FONT]