Kindness. Are you willing to share your experience of using Matthew 7:12 ?

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To some people it may appear that I should have started this thread a long time ago. To show some of my judgement, God works in ways which we can't fully understand and He uses people to deliver special messages to other people, so I judge that's why He stopped me from starting this thread long ago.

Do you think it's right to use Matthew 7:12 to judge how to sound your voice and which words to use to other people every time you speak to them including in internet forums, also thinking about what condition they may be in ?

To show some of my judgement, if someone appears to be timid, we should be careful not to say anything to frighten them away.

I judge that's enough to start the thread.
 
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"So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. (Mat 7:12)


reminds me of...

For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
(Jas 2:13)
 
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"So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. (Mat 7:12)


reminds me of...

For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
(Jas 2:13)
That part always reminded me of being handed over to the tormentors for showing no mercy such as was down to that previously forgiven servant (initially shown mercy) but who never paid that forward to others (his fellowservant) where Jesus said, so likely will your heavenly Father do to you (speaking to his own disciples there) which to me looks more like a picture of chastisement by the Father and so that one might learn to be merciful as he is, or know what it feels like to experience judgment with none towards yourself in that same.
 
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The two greatest commandments are love ... love God and others. We should all be endeavoring to this.

We all fall short ... but observing one's fruits on the whole gives a good notion of who they are and who's they are.

You will know them by their fruits.

Some hard-hearted folks on here might fool others ... and might even fool themselves ... but they do not fool God.
 
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"So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. (Mat 7:12)


reminds me of...

For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
(Jas 2:13)
Do you think it's right to show mercy using Matthew 7:12 to only want to please yourself ?
 
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The two greatest commandments are love ... love God and others. We should all be endeavoring to this.

We all fall short ... but observing one's fruits on the whole gives a good notion of who they are and who's they are.

You will know them by their fruits.

Some hard-hearted folks on here might fool others ... and might even fool themselves ... but they do not fool God.
Do you think you may be pleased by this answer ?

Galatians 6:7

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Galatians 1:10

Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ

Romans 15:2

Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up.
 
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Hi Thomas, I didn't really understand the question you sent me.

But in essence it is saying treat others as you would like to be treated. its not
really a verse about wanting to please yourself.

If you read it in context below it will make more sense. As there is also the
additional main point about the goodness of God.
If little old sinful people like ourselves know how to be nice to people
and give each other good things and do good things for each other.
How much more does our Heavenly Father who is holy and who
is the very essence of love, know how to and long to give good things
and bless his children - as in us.

The entire context is about asking seeking and knocking, as in keep
pressing in. Don't doubt that God wants good things for your life.



Matthew 7:7-12 NKJV
[7] "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it
will be opened to you. [8] For everyone who asks receives, and he who
seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. [9] Or what man
is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
[10] Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent
? [11] If you then,
being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more
will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
[12] Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for
this is the Law and the Prophets.
 
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Do you think you may be pleased by this answer ?

Galatians 6:7

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Galatians 1:10

Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ

Romans 15:2

Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up.
To be quite honest ... sometimes doing unto others feels natural and I love to do so, it's a pleasure ... other times it's more difficult and that is when I struggle and strive to do so just to please God.
 
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Hi Thomas, I didn't really understand the question you sent me.

But in essence it is saying treat others as you would like to be treated. its not
really a verse about wanting to please yourself.

If you read it in context below it will make more sense. As there is also the
additional main point about the goodness of God.
If little old sinful people like ourselves know how to be nice to people
and give each other good things and do good things for each other.
How much more does our Heavenly Father who is holy and who
is the very essence of love, know how to and long to give good things
and bless his children - as in us.

The entire context is about asking seeking and knocking, as in keep
pressing in. Don't doubt that God wants good things for your life.



Matthew 7:7-12 NKJV
[7] "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it
will be opened to you. [8] For everyone who asks receives, and he who
seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. [9] Or what man
is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
[10] Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent
? [11] If you then,
being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more
will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
[12] Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for
this is the Law and the Prophets.
Hi Miri,

I'm not sure what you were thinking completely, maybe you just wanted to show that you agreed that we shouldn't be using Matthew 7:12 to only want to please ourselves, I have not been judging we should use Matthew 7:12 to only want to please ourselves.
 
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Do you think it's right to show mercy using Matthew 7:12 to only want to please yourself ?
Our motive for showing mercy is that we have been given a humongous amount of mercy in comparison...actually when we deserved none.
 

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My motive is to not get handed over to the tormentors
Hopefully we've passed that stage :)

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
(Joh 5:24)
 
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Our motive for showing mercy is that we have been given a humongous amount of mercy in comparison...actually when we deserved none.
1 Timothy 1:13

Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief.
 
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Hopefully we've passed that stage :)

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
(Joh 5:24)
That is weird, my post disapeared, no what I am referring to is chastening in respects to our being judged, as the Lord judges us.

1 Cr 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Chastening being grievous (experientially so) as the forgiven servent being handed over to the tormentors is given to the disciples themselves (even as the Father chastens them he receives as sons) but they dont always execute true judgment (as they ought to) just as in the parable of such a servant, and so judgment (even chatisement) without mercy (which was extended to him at the first) was delivered to him after (that he might learn) as there is a TILL in that picture.

And the same wording is found here also in respects to death and life and actually passing from it (as it relates to loving our brethren)

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.



 
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1 Timothy 1:12-17 NKJV
[12] And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because
He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, [13] although I
was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but
I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
[14] And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith
and love which are in Christ Jesus.
[15] This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ
Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

[16] However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus
Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are
going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
[17] Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone
is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen
 
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In this manner I am speaking of being judged (as in chastened) which is in the context of being already forgiven (as the servant in the parable found in Mat 18: 21-35 was) and their own executing judgment (in this way) and according to these words (and mercy)



This first verse is reposted in its context in the end also

Zech 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying,

**Execute** true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:

In light of the above (as it pertains to judgment) it says,

Prov 21:7 **The robbery of** the wicked shall destroy them; because they refuse **to do** judgment.

The refusal to do the same is shown in the forgiven seravant in the parable who would not and must give an account, and here comes the correction accordingly

Mat 18:33 Shouldest thou **also**have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

The servant in the parable had first received mercy (which he himself was to show to others) his withholding the same can be shown as the "robbery of" the wicked when it come to his refusal to paying that forward.

Psalm 37:21 The wicked **borroweth**, and payeth not **again**: but the righteous **sheweth mercy**, and giveth.

These things spoken to us using words such as debts, borrowing, paying again etc. And so after we have received such mercy (as that same servant) the Lord is showing us in that parable to pay that forward and be merciful as our heavenly Father is merciful, and even from that stand point we are to pray saying, "Father..."

Mat 6:12 And Forgive us our debts,**as we ** forgive our debtors.

There is that little "as we" thing in there

And because we are to pay this same forward (which that forgiven servant did not) and became the wicked servant (for not doing so) according to his lack of mercy.

This is what his Lord is angry about. The previously forgiven servant is now become the wicked servant revealed for not showing mercy and what comes up behind that same thing is what? The judgment (and without mercy) that hath showed no mercy (as he did not).

Mat 8:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, **till** he should pay all that was due unto him.

As James said,

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Which is what Jesus is showing his disciples

Mat 18:35 So Likewise shall my Heavenly Father **do also** unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their tresspasses

Look at being handed over to the tormentors

Shows me this same

1John 4:18 And ...because fear hath torment.

As we should also know,

He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

What was due his Lord was fear for when this judgment come (depicted in being handed to the tormentors) that is tied into fear itself which hath torment even as by the fear of the Lord one departs from evil. In respects to judgment (which we are being shown the true judgement we are to show in such a situation) when it comes to extending mercy, when one does not obey I would think having a fearful expectation of his judgment coming back upon you can be understandable. Besides, when we are judged we are chastened of the Lord.

As a Son or still a servant where might be (as either might relate to the Father)

Mal 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master:

if I be a father, where is my honour? and if I be master where is my fear?,

Where is either my honour or my fear
?

So his Lord showed the servant in the parable compassion and forgave his debt (so he is a servant in the position of having received his Lords mercy)

Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying,Pay me that thou owest.

Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

This servant really should not be praying "forgive me my debts as I forgive my debtors" LOL:p

Because coming up behind the mercy shown him (which he did not extended) is judgment without mercy heading back at him.

Whereas it was said to him,

Mat 18:33 Shouldest thou**also**have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mat 8:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, **till** he should pay all that was due unto him.

And now he is being done unto by his Lord as he himself was doing unto another, which had everything to do with not showing mercy

Mat 8:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, **till**

Here, now go learn what this means LOL:p

Indeed we are perfected in love and in the parable the servant was forgiven (love kept not a record of wrongs with him) set him free and he went off doing nothing of what was shown him. So in no way was that servant in the parable actually walking in love such as in

1John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Its no wonder because he certainly was not showing mercy (in practice) to those who desired the same from him

And whereas here he says

Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

James also tells us this,

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

And in respects to that very same thing and what is shown us in the parable Jesus adds

Mat 18:35 So Likewise shall my Heavenly Father **do also** unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their tresspasses

Therefore this should makes greater sense,

Luke 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful AS your heavenly Father IS merciful.

As He is (even merciful) in this world (we ourselves) should be likewise

And looking again at that first verse (the first one posted above) which I used as a springboard to the picture, shows the same theme of wrath following after no mercy being extended in that context as well.

Zech 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying,

Execute true judgment,
and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:

Zech 7:10 And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor;
and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

Zech 7:11But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder,
and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.

Zech 7:12 Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law,
and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets:
therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.

I just wanted to add that in here since it goes with the topic and so I can rfer to something a little more complete in the future if I needed to.

God bless you
 
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1 Timothy 1:12-17 NKJV
[12] And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because
He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, [13] although I
was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but
I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
[14] And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith
and love which are in Christ Jesus.
[15] This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ
Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

[16] However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus
Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are
going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
[17] Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone
is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen
What does the word "grace" mean to you in verse 14 ?
 
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That is weird, my post disapeared, no what I am referring to is chastening in respects to our being judged, as the Lord judges us.

1 Cr 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Chastening being grievous (experientially so) as the forgiven servent being handed over to the tormentors is given to the disciples themselves (even as the Father chastens them he receives as sons) but they dont always execute true judgment (as they ought to) just as in the parable of such a servant, and so judgment (even chatisement) without mercy (which was extended to him at the first) was delivered to him after (that he might learn) as there is a TILL in that picture.

And the same wording is found here also in respects to death and life and actually passing from it (as it relates to loving our brethren)

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.




Makes me think of this ...

1 TIM 1

18 Timothy, my son, I am giving you this command in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them you may fight the battle well, 19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith. 20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.
 

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I always try to speak to others in a way that connects to them personally. I can tell when a person is timid or easily hurt and so I speak to them in a gentle manner I can tell when a person is hard of hearing you know won't accept sound advice thinks their right no matter what and sees correction as judgment and honestly rebukes correction period and I try to relay to them how this mindset of their is going to block a lot of God but well it doesn't often help.

And I can tell when a person has a good sense of humor and I can joke around with them I can also tell when a person is serious and wants to discuss things in a mature and serious manner. From speaking with ppl for a short amount of time I can read them I can tell what kind of person they are how to speak to them what connects to them but regardless of the person one thing I put before anything else is to speak and discuss correct and reply in a kind mature and Christ like manner. How can we reach and impact people in harsh words?
 
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In this manner I am speaking of being judged (as in chastened) which is in the context of being already forgiven (as the servant in the parable found in Mat 18: 21-35 was) and their own executing judgment (in this way) and according to these words (and mercy)
"One who serves gold will not be justified; one who pursues money will be led astray by it."