So what about the fourth commandment?
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as far as i can tell, "hyper-grace" is the grace of God as presented in the scripture.
of course there are some false teachers out there who act like we don't have any works prepared for us, or that the Lord doesn't actually regenerate us and renew us, as though there is no responsibility for us to live in a way that agrees with who we really are and to walk in a way that reflects the holiness that God has declared us to have.
i think people who hate the fact that the righteousness of God is by faith and not by works tend to use "exceedingly abundant grace" like a curse. the implication ((which is a false accusation)) is that anyone who believes that God has actually justified them apart from any works, also has no desire to do anything good and that we all live completely disobedient lives & that we all completely hate righteousness and all the commands of God.
obviously, nothing could be further from the truth. it's just something people say when they are ignorant of ((or have no faith in)) the transforming power of God's Salvation revealed in His Son.
And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
(1 Timothy 1:14)
(1 Timothy 1:14)
of course there are some false teachers out there who act like we don't have any works prepared for us, or that the Lord doesn't actually regenerate us and renew us, as though there is no responsibility for us to live in a way that agrees with who we really are and to walk in a way that reflects the holiness that God has declared us to have.
i think people who hate the fact that the righteousness of God is by faith and not by works tend to use "exceedingly abundant grace" like a curse. the implication ((which is a false accusation)) is that anyone who believes that God has actually justified them apart from any works, also has no desire to do anything good and that we all live completely disobedient lives & that we all completely hate righteousness and all the commands of God.
obviously, nothing could be further from the truth. it's just something people say when they are ignorant of ((or have no faith in)) the transforming power of God's Salvation revealed in His Son.
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Well said!.... If I could like this 100x times I would.
To some people it really doesn't matter what people actually say because they say something else completely different then what you have said. It's adequately portrayed in this scene below:
Some one says " The sky is blue....isn't it beautiful?"
Some else hears that and says to this person:
"What?...you are a false teacher...the sky is not green...everyone knows it is blue...."
Selah.....
To some people it really doesn't matter what people actually say because they say something else completely different then what you have said. It's adequately portrayed in this scene below:
Some one says " The sky is blue....isn't it beautiful?"
Some else hears that and says to this person:
"What?...you are a false teacher...the sky is not green...everyone knows it is blue...."
Selah.....
using "grace believer" like a curse is like the parable of the workers at the vineyard.
some worked all day, and others worked only an hour, but they all received the same wage.
the ones who worked all day were jealous, and envious, and acted like something unfair was going on. but they were rebuked by the master of the vineyard -- who said they had agreed to the wage when they were hired, and what business is it of theirs if the master wanted to show generosity to someone else?
people who use the grace of God like it's a dirty word are usually people who are doing all kinds of things trying to establish their own righteousness, and are jealous of others that God accepts because of their faith, who are not doing all of these earthly works, but who are righteous by the declaration of God through their faith, not by all their deeds.
they act like it's unfair, and look at such people who have received such grace with contempt, and talk like those people are illegitimate and will never receive their wages.
but salvation and justification are the gift of God, not wages. what people who think and speak this way are effectively doing is maligning the generosity of God, and setting themselves up as though they are the masters of the vineyard, and they get to judge everyone, and that everyone is 'paid on commission' or something.
there is a grain of truth usually in the narrative they present: it is certainly true that we need to rid our lives of immorality and that we need walk in the light, doing good works and following the will of God for us, being obedient to Him. but the pitfall is that these are not the things that sanctify and justify us, and our accusers usually act as though they are. there is exactly one thing that justifies and sanctifies us: the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross, and our faith in it.
good works follow. obedience follows. those are fruit of a true faith, for which God awards us a declared righteousness which exceeds perfect obedience to the Law, and God transforms us into new creatures which cannot be condemned and who desire from the heart to do all of His will, apart from any written command.
[HR][/HR]
((at least, this is my impression of truth behind the common argument & accusation we hear so often))
some worked all day, and others worked only an hour, but they all received the same wage.
the ones who worked all day were jealous, and envious, and acted like something unfair was going on. but they were rebuked by the master of the vineyard -- who said they had agreed to the wage when they were hired, and what business is it of theirs if the master wanted to show generosity to someone else?
people who use the grace of God like it's a dirty word are usually people who are doing all kinds of things trying to establish their own righteousness, and are jealous of others that God accepts because of their faith, who are not doing all of these earthly works, but who are righteous by the declaration of God through their faith, not by all their deeds.
they act like it's unfair, and look at such people who have received such grace with contempt, and talk like those people are illegitimate and will never receive their wages.
but salvation and justification are the gift of God, not wages. what people who think and speak this way are effectively doing is maligning the generosity of God, and setting themselves up as though they are the masters of the vineyard, and they get to judge everyone, and that everyone is 'paid on commission' or something.
there is a grain of truth usually in the narrative they present: it is certainly true that we need to rid our lives of immorality and that we need walk in the light, doing good works and following the will of God for us, being obedient to Him. but the pitfall is that these are not the things that sanctify and justify us, and our accusers usually act as though they are. there is exactly one thing that justifies and sanctifies us: the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross, and our faith in it.
good works follow. obedience follows. those are fruit of a true faith, for which God awards us a declared righteousness which exceeds perfect obedience to the Law, and God transforms us into new creatures which cannot be condemned and who desire from the heart to do all of His will, apart from any written command.
[HR][/HR]
((at least, this is my impression of truth behind the common argument & accusation we hear so often))
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Amen .....posthuman...... Amen!!
How could we walk this Christian walk without hyper grace!!! We are shouting out His abundance and love towards us!!!
QUOTE=posthuman;2714951]as far as i can tell, "hyper-grace" is the grace of God as presented in the scripture.
And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
(1 Timothy 1:14)
(1 Timothy 1:14)
of course there are some false teachers out there who act like we don't have any works prepared for us, or that the Lord doesn't actually regenerate us and renew us, as though there is no responsibility for us to live in a way that agrees with who we really are and to walk in a way that reflects the holiness that God has declared us to have.
i think people who hate the fact that the righteousness of God is by faith and not by works tend to use "exceedingly abundant grace" like a curse. the implication ((which is a false accusation)) is that anyone who believes that God has actually justified them apart from any works, also has no desire to do anything good and that we all live completely disobedient lives & that we all completely hate righteousness and all the commands of God.
obviously, nothing could be further from the truth. it's just something people say when they are ignorant of ((or have no faith in)) the transforming power of God's Salvation revealed in His Son.[/QUOTE]
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Thank you so much for this illustration, really speaks to me!
His grace is there to draw upon, but some people just want to settle for minimum wage.
For myself, I have learned that His abounding grace is the source of everything, obedience, love, good works, every good thing that comes from God.
He rids our lives of immorality when we draw from His grace by believing that He can accomplish this for us, you see this is the victory that He is able to give to us I battled sin for years as a believer because I did understand the it was His victory not mine. I just had to agree with Him. I repented of my self-effort.
He is more than able to work through us each day to accomplish His perfect will.
My effort is placed totally on Him, not on myself anymore!
His grace is there to draw upon, but some people just want to settle for minimum wage.
For myself, I have learned that His abounding grace is the source of everything, obedience, love, good works, every good thing that comes from God.
He rids our lives of immorality when we draw from His grace by believing that He can accomplish this for us, you see this is the victory that He is able to give to us I battled sin for years as a believer because I did understand the it was His victory not mine. I just had to agree with Him. I repented of my self-effort.
He is more than able to work through us each day to accomplish His perfect will.
My effort is placed totally on Him, not on myself anymore!
hey thank Jesus, not me!
He taught with this parable, talking about the pharisees - who were the most obedient, God-fearing, good, righteous, holy people in the whole world. about how the prostitutes and usurious lenders and extortioners were entering the Kingdom of Heaven before they were, because these people heard the gospel and believed. it's as though these who at the last hour were hired - and had wasted their whole day in debauchery and sin - were being paid the same wage as those who had worked very hard all day long.
this bit about settling for minimum wage is very good too, thanks!
He taught with this parable, talking about the pharisees - who were the most obedient, God-fearing, good, righteous, holy people in the whole world. about how the prostitutes and usurious lenders and extortioners were entering the Kingdom of Heaven before they were, because these people heard the gospel and believed. it's as though these who at the last hour were hired - and had wasted their whole day in debauchery and sin - were being paid the same wage as those who had worked very hard all day long.
this bit about settling for minimum wage is very good too, thanks!
Sure does sound like whats goin on today. The "many" have takin scriptures that are speaking of the law of circumcism and applied those scriptures to Gods 10 commandments. Here is Paul talking about the law of Moses.
1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Yup. From the writings of Paul
1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Yup. From the writings of Paul
Believing? Well the Word points out in Hebrews the people that have a heart of unbelief. HEAR HIS VOICE? Harden not your hearts as in the provocation. Its rather simple. Alls we gotta do is go look at scripture that tells us why they were destroyed in the wilderness. And who has the heart of unbelief
HEBREWS 3 [12]Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you AN EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF, in departing from the living God. [13] But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [14] For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; [15] WHILE IT IS SAID, TO DAY IF YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, HARDEN NOT YOUR HEARTS, AS IN THE PROVOCATION. [16] For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came OUT OF EGYPT by Moses. [17] But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, WHOSE CARCASES FELL IN THE WILDERNESS? [18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? [19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief
Scripture above (out of Egypt - into the wilderness - those that believed not - destroyed them)
Scripture below (out of Egypt - into the wilderness - polluted HIS SABBATHS - destroyed them)
EZEK.20 [10] Wherefore I caused them to go forth OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, and brought them INTO THE WILDERNESS. [11] And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.[12] Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.[13] But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and MY SABBATHS THEY GREATLY POLLUTED: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them IN THE WILDERNESS, TO CONSUME THEM.
There it is. They were destroyed in the wilderness because they were not keeping Gods sabbath day. Dont walk with an evil heart of unbelief {Hebrews3v12}. Keep Gods sabbath day. Do you hear His voice?
HEBREWS 3 [12]Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you AN EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF, in departing from the living God. [13] But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [14] For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; [15] WHILE IT IS SAID, TO DAY IF YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, HARDEN NOT YOUR HEARTS, AS IN THE PROVOCATION. [16] For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came OUT OF EGYPT by Moses. [17] But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, WHOSE CARCASES FELL IN THE WILDERNESS? [18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? [19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief
Scripture above (out of Egypt - into the wilderness - those that believed not - destroyed them)
Scripture below (out of Egypt - into the wilderness - polluted HIS SABBATHS - destroyed them)
EZEK.20 [10] Wherefore I caused them to go forth OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, and brought them INTO THE WILDERNESS. [11] And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.[12] Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.[13] But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and MY SABBATHS THEY GREATLY POLLUTED: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them IN THE WILDERNESS, TO CONSUME THEM.
There it is. They were destroyed in the wilderness because they were not keeping Gods sabbath day. Dont walk with an evil heart of unbelief {Hebrews3v12}. Keep Gods sabbath day. Do you hear His voice?
I am not under the law of Moses - you can be if you want. I'll stick with my Lord Jesus Christ. I keep the Sabbath every day and rest in Christ as He is my Sabbath rest.
Stay in unbelief in Christ's finished work and you will die in the wilderness. The promised land is Christ Himself. It is not "going to heaven" - there will be no giants to fight in heaven.
Hebrews 4:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. ( Rest from your own labors to keep laws that you are dead to because you died to the law if you are in Christ )
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience. ( disobedience here is the Greek word for unbelief - do not go on with your unbelief in what Christ has already done for us )
Well look at that. Ya pointed out Hebrews 4:9-11
HEBREWS 4 [9] THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST to the people of God.[10] For HE THAT IS ENTERED INTO HIS REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. [11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Well...Ya see what it says. Now lets see how God rested from His work
HEBREWS 4 [4] For he spake in a certain place of THE SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY from all his works
Yup. God rested the 7th day. Pretty simple
HEBREWS 4 [9] THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST to the people of God.[10] For HE THAT IS ENTERED INTO HIS REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. [11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Well...Ya see what it says. Now lets see how God rested from His work
HEBREWS 4 [4] For he spake in a certain place of THE SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY from all his works
Yup. God rested the 7th day. Pretty simple
Sorry, its gotta be both if theres any light in you
ISAIAH 8 [16] Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.[17] And I WILL WAIT UPON THE LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.[18] Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.[19] And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?[20] TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.
The law = the big 10
The testimony= Christ
ISAIAH 8 [16] Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.[17] And I WILL WAIT UPON THE LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.[18] Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.[19] And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?[20] TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.
The law = the big 10
The testimony= Christ
And again
PSALM 78 [1] Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. [2] I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH IN A PARABLE: I will utter dark sayings of old: [3] Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. [4] We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the Lord, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done. [5] For HE ESTABLISHED A TESTIMONY IN JACOB, AND APPOINTED A LAW IN ISRAEL, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: [6] That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: [7] THAT THEY MIGHT SET THEIR HOPE IN GOD, AND NOT FORGET THE WORKS OF GOD, BUT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS:
Who opened his mouth in a parable? Yup, Jesus Christ. And this scripture says he established a testimony {Jesus} in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, that they might set their hope in God and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
PSALM 78 [1] Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. [2] I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH IN A PARABLE: I will utter dark sayings of old: [3] Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. [4] We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the Lord, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done. [5] For HE ESTABLISHED A TESTIMONY IN JACOB, AND APPOINTED A LAW IN ISRAEL, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: [6] That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: [7] THAT THEY MIGHT SET THEIR HOPE IN GOD, AND NOT FORGET THE WORKS OF GOD, BUT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS:
Who opened his mouth in a parable? Yup, Jesus Christ. And this scripture says he established a testimony {Jesus} in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, that they might set their hope in God and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
Youll stick with Jesus? Aint He your redeemer?
ISAIAH 48 [17] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
ISAIAH 48 [17] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea: