Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God
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There seems to be an unanswered question between the Hypergrace vs. Grace thru active faith(GTF) folks.
Hypergrace teaches that once Christ is received, everything is alright, regardless of the present/ future sin issues. Now, if that's true, HG's have no argument at all because the GTF's believe in Christ, & if their present/future sins include active faith/works, they're just as saved as the HG's, FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE HG's SAYS SO!
So, with that said, WHY are the HG's consistantly arguing their case as if it's a life or death problem? 'Cuz it's not if they're right..... jus' sayin
Hypergrace teaches that once Christ is received, everything is alright, regardless of the present/ future sin issues. Now, if that's true, HG's have no argument at all because the GTF's believe in Christ, & if their present/future sins include active faith/works, they're just as saved as the HG's, FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE HG's SAYS SO!
So, with that said, WHY are the HG's consistantly arguing their case as if it's a life or death problem? 'Cuz it's not if they're right..... jus' sayin
I dont believe he is saying he hasnt sinned as we have all sinned
Romans 3:23-26 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
And also
Romans 6:6-7 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 3:23-26 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
And also
Romans 6:6-7 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Amen..everyone that has believed in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior is in Christ and saved. We content for the true gospel of the grace of Christ because how you believe will affect our lives in this earth until we go to be with the Lord.
We either live by faith in Christ's finished work or we "do our own deeds" for righteousness - our right standing with God. Notice I didn't say we don't do good works. We say that these good works originate from the Spirit within and not from our own self-effort in the flesh.
Whether people believe what the scriptures say about total forgiveness in Christ or if they feel the need to continually confess "in order to be forgiven" to have their sins forgiven - is up to them. Notice I didn't say that we didn't confess sins to the Lord. There is a major difference.
And people are free to believe what they want in this area. If that makes us a candidate for name calling that we are satanic, demonic, heretics, lovers of sin, greasy grace believers ..etc - then let the slander and malice continue as we are going to remain faithful to trust in Christ's finished work for us and depend on Him totally for all things in this life and in the one to come.
The righteous shall live by faith in Him alone!
We either live by faith in Christ's finished work or we "do our own deeds" for righteousness - our right standing with God. Notice I didn't say we don't do good works. We say that these good works originate from the Spirit within and not from our own self-effort in the flesh.
Whether people believe what the scriptures say about total forgiveness in Christ or if they feel the need to continually confess "in order to be forgiven" to have their sins forgiven - is up to them. Notice I didn't say that we didn't confess sins to the Lord. There is a major difference.
And people are free to believe what they want in this area. If that makes us a candidate for name calling that we are satanic, demonic, heretics, lovers of sin, greasy grace believers ..etc - then let the slander and malice continue as we are going to remain faithful to trust in Christ's finished work for us and depend on Him totally for all things in this life and in the one to come.
The righteous shall live by faith in Him alone!
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Stephen63, you raise a good point. Speaking for myself, when I understood that there is a completed work in Jesus and that I no longer have to battle sin but abide in His victory my faith was strengthened....rejuvenated actually
I knew I was saved when I was born again, however, I misunderstood "crucify the flesh" and "carry the cross" as some other work God required of me in my process of sanctification. I thought I was working with God to accomplish these things in my heart and life. WRONG!
When I finally understood what the scripture was telling me, that He would accomplish these things in me and I humbled myself, as in agreed with Him, that I was completely righteous in Him, then I was finally free to do good works.
Even if you are born again. Satan loves to mess Christians up by finding ways to bring some legality into their lives, self-condemnation or guilt which only binds us again thereby falling from the abounding grace that is available to us.
In Him, His grace and love are the ongoing source we can avail ourselves to so that we never thirst.
We just want everyone to know that and to rest in him, striving can finally cease.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
John8:36
We just want everyone to be free in HIM.
Amen
I knew I was saved when I was born again, however, I misunderstood "crucify the flesh" and "carry the cross" as some other work God required of me in my process of sanctification. I thought I was working with God to accomplish these things in my heart and life. WRONG!
When I finally understood what the scripture was telling me, that He would accomplish these things in me and I humbled myself, as in agreed with Him, that I was completely righteous in Him, then I was finally free to do good works.
Even if you are born again. Satan loves to mess Christians up by finding ways to bring some legality into their lives, self-condemnation or guilt which only binds us again thereby falling from the abounding grace that is available to us.
In Him, His grace and love are the ongoing source we can avail ourselves to so that we never thirst.
We just want everyone to know that and to rest in him, striving can finally cease.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
John8:36
We just want everyone to be free in HIM.
Amen
Well to quote one of there proponents, if you have not trusted Christ for your salvation alone you are trying to work for your salvation, so are not saved. Worse still because you are working for your salvation, you are a hypocrite who claims self righteousness worthy of salvation, so therefore you raise a hope that will be dashed on the day of judgement.
We are then held guilty of dooming the church since the time of the apostles with legalism and religion.
This all falls down if we trust in faith alone, shown by a transformed heart and discipleship.
Now they have an easy time with legalists, because their theory is true.
But for real disciples, this lack of confronting sin, excusing failure to walk in righteousness
means we smell a rat. Enough christians have testified being in these fellowships thinking
they knew the Lord yet abiding in sin, so in complete denial of salvation.
The problem with lies it works on people who have also bought a different type of lie.
So they go from being legalists to hyper-legalism where sin does not matter just you are
forgiven.
But now we know their formula, it no longer works. They will have to invent a different
one because the bible does not support it.
We are then held guilty of dooming the church since the time of the apostles with legalism and religion.
This all falls down if we trust in faith alone, shown by a transformed heart and discipleship.
Now they have an easy time with legalists, because their theory is true.
But for real disciples, this lack of confronting sin, excusing failure to walk in righteousness
means we smell a rat. Enough christians have testified being in these fellowships thinking
they knew the Lord yet abiding in sin, so in complete denial of salvation.
The problem with lies it works on people who have also bought a different type of lie.
So they go from being legalists to hyper-legalism where sin does not matter just you are
forgiven.
But now we know their formula, it no longer works. They will have to invent a different
one because the bible does not support it.
I've answered you before.
I believe you are saved.
I don't go on these forums to get or keep anyone saved.
I come on here because I believe that grace empowers us to be holy, yes. But most heartfelt desire is actually for people to encounter God through Scripture. And I've found getting their eyes off themselves and back onto Him is the best way to do it.
We live from salvation and begin our walk joined with Him. And this changes everything.
C.
I believe you are saved.
I don't go on these forums to get or keep anyone saved.
I come on here because I believe that grace empowers us to be holy, yes. But most heartfelt desire is actually for people to encounter God through Scripture. And I've found getting their eyes off themselves and back onto Him is the best way to do it.
We live from salvation and begin our walk joined with Him. And this changes everything.
C.
Jesus died for the forgiveness of our sins, taking on himself the punishment due to us.
By His resurrection he conquered death and to give us power over sin.
We equally conquer sin through putting our faith in Christ and His sacrifice.
What are you baffled about? Sounds to me like you do not understand the traditional
view of faith in Christ.
The sign that you know Christ is the fruit in your heart, shown in repentance, faith,
good works, love, and the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Is this not what you believe.
By His resurrection he conquered death and to give us power over sin.
We equally conquer sin through putting our faith in Christ and His sacrifice.
What are you baffled about? Sounds to me like you do not understand the traditional
view of faith in Christ.
The sign that you know Christ is the fruit in your heart, shown in repentance, faith,
good works, love, and the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Is this not what you believe.