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SteelToedKodiak

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There are a lot of factors in my experience. Genetics (inherited conditions such as high cholesterol), how much you exert physically, PH levels, hydration (half body weight in ounces daily), age....Mid to older folks can introduce certain amino acids to increase oxygen flow, which enables a better work out which supplemented with higher protein (not too high) builds muscle mass and reduces the bad fats. Then there's stretching, flexibility is a key factor in staying young. Not Yoga though, that is something I personally avoid due to the creep factor.
 

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I tend to stay away from herbal-natural-remedies but that is just me.
When I was into the new age/occultic movement many eastern and new age mystical type groups would advertise in the back of the 'organic/natural' health type magazines and books. So the association left a bad taste.
 

Angela53510

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I stay away from herbal remedies because they do not work. Most of the "testimonials" are from people who are feeling "placebo effect." In some cases that is good. In other cases it is downright dangerous, because the person feels they are better, when they are not. And so their disease progresses.

Until I see these herbs studied in double blind studies, with a statistically significant sampling, I am going to be against them.

On the other hand, I do take lots of vitamins and minerals, because I am not able to properly process foods in my intestines. I think that stemmed from getting pneumonia as a baby, back in the early 50's, when the antibiotics were very strong. I believe it wiped out my natural enzymes and good bacteria. And no amount of probiotics has helped that. Still, I have two aunts, one on each side of the family who died of pneumonia, when they were small children. So I am in my 60s, with a fair number of health issues, but I am alive!

I also am an organic vegetarian, because I cannot digest meat. I prefer organic, mostly the stuff I grow in my veggie garden, which is bursting with food this year! That is a great delight to me!
 

Angela53510

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I'm going all natural to heal my cancer and prevent it from coming back. There is plenty of info out there on natural healing.
Please do not do this. My SIL had breast cancer back in 2012. She had surgery, then months of chemo and then radiation. She is doing well, 4 years in remission. It was hard on her then, but she is grateful she did the right protocols.

See how big the double blind studies for the herbs you are taking are. Oh, right! There are none! That is why you simply should never rely on testimonials, or someone trying to sell something, either in person or on the internet. I think you need to talk seriously to your doctor, and he will show you this is the worst course of action you can take.

I will pray that you will change your feelings about this, and get some reputable medicine to help you defeat this cancer.
 
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Karraster

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See how big the double blind studies for the herbs you are taking are. Oh, right! There are none! That is why you simply should never rely on testimonials, or someone trying to sell something, either in person or on the internet. I think you need to talk seriously to your doctor, and he will show you this is the worst course of action you can take.

I will pray that you will change your feelings about this, and get some reputable medicine to help you defeat this cancer.
Gotta call you on that because it's so patently false. (that's being generous) In the USA the "medical professional establishment is the 3rd leading cause of death according to more than 1 source. If I recall correctly, you do not think chem trails are real..so if you can't even look up in the sky and see evidence for yourself, then there is nothing I can say to persuade you...

...but this is for WFC~ I applaud your courage and pray for your health and healing. Stay positive, and don't take anyone's word about anything to do with your personal health. We were made from the dust of the earth, and whatever we need to maintain our health will come from the earth. Almighty has provided for us, we must educate ourselves about what we lack, with His guidence.

Did you hear about all the holistic drs who were murdered last year? Then there were also all those poisoned at a conference, they were onto something. Please google that if you weren't aware, as some had remarkable success, there are numerous case studies, whereas, FDA, and conventional medicine at large are against a cure, there ain't no money in it.
 

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Merck *only* made 5.3 billion dollars from sales of vaccines in 2014, at capped prices.

it's true that other drugs are much more lucrative for them, but i think accusing the whole of modern medicine of having 'no interest' in curing diseases is disingenuously conspiratorial thinking. if curing cancer was as easy as smearing a hummus made of the right roots and oils on your unleavened, ancient grain bagel, it wouldn't be killing so many people every year. people who eat those very bagels.

here's an interesting article about the economics of vaccines:


Vaccines Are Profitable, So What? - The Atlantic

if you find a way to cure or prevent cancer or heart disease, or prevent secondary infections in hospitals, you can quickly & easily become one of the wealthiest and most famous people in the 21st century. or like Salk did, you can just give it away, because it belongs to the human race. but there's plenty of money in eradicating disease.
 
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Word_Swordsman

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Other than one visit with a naturopathic doctor in Dallas, TX, who other doctors call a "Super Doctor", one that has put in 7-10 years of additional training, I have yet to find a regular MD that can talk herbal remedies without jumping oon the internet in the exam room. I know way more about herbs than they do.

The MD in Dallas, though, is an expert on both general practice and alternative treatments, including herbal supplements, acupuncture, meditation, physchiatry faith, etc. To learn more about them, visit AANP - American Association of Naturopathic Physicians: Natural Medicine. Real Solutions.

Many of them have books for sale that make you more aware of even what "herbal" might mean. A natural treatment for men seeking to prevent genetically prone prostate cancer are put on a minimum supplement of lycopene, which is the active ingredient of tomatoes. It's available in capsules and gel caps. For me I then avoid growing more kidney stones from consuming too many tomatoes trying to get that benefit.

She assured me there is no long term affect of using curcumin with fenugreek, so I've stayed on it with great success. I started it to ease sciatic pain and arthritis pain in the feet. Imaging lately shows no more signs of arthritis, though I can't say the herbs did it. I am back on my feet and capable of working as much as I did in my 20's, though I have more wisdom not to do that, and to live by faith such that work is a joy.

My main point then is since medical science gives credentials to physicians to practice herbal medicine so they can be licensed to practice state-by-state, how could it be they don't work, or always possess dangerous attributes? I was told by my GP to drink 60 ounces of water a day from now on, but in doing that I acquired new medical problems. That much water isn't for my body. Now we know. But in a slight reasonable sense, water has a potential danger for me. The fact is TOO MUCH water is not good for me.

That's why most herbal supplements have dosage instructions that ought to be followed like taking a prescription drug. Deciding to take handfuls of any pills could be dangerous.
 

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I'm going all natural to heal my cancer and prevent it from coming back. There is plenty of info out there on natural healing.
I've heard the vegan diet has been successful in treating several cancers. I'm guessing because of all the extra fruit and vedge you end up eating.




I believe anything can be treated with food. Usually problems arise when you lack something in your diet, or you're eating too much of one kind of food. Organic is the way to go. Places like wholefoods are great and they have a no corn syrup policy. They also have daily buffets of ready to eat food. Their soups are really tasty.

I take Carlson L-Lysine amino acid powder everyday, usually I mix it in with my protein smoothie. It's one of my health and beauty secrets and I believe it's an amazing gift to us from God :). The results are seen after about a week. It boosts the immune system but also "is necessary for the production of all protein in the body, including hormones, enzymes, and antibodies, as well as carnitine and collagen!!, which is the structural protein forming all connective tissue such as skin tendon and bone. It also plays a major role in calcium absorption" - we initially bought it for our cats (recommended by our vet) and I noticed how their fur was glowing and they just looked so healthy. It's amazing stuff. If I were stranded on a desert island I would have my bible and lysine :)

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Katy-follower

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Has anyone heard of this drink? It contains cleansing minerals from the Dead Sea. Two of the anti-inflammatory herbs are Frankincense and Myrrh mentioned in the Bible. I'm considering trying this....


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Word_Swordsman

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Eating wads of Tic Tac sugar "pills" is far more dangerous than any herb that doctor has in her book. Not eating enough fiber might be far more dangerous than any respected herbal remedy in the long term.

Avoid possibly any need for any type of treatment by simply committing to a healthy diet like the Mediterranean Diet, getting fat from olive oil and oily fish, less meat, coupled with regular healthy exercise besides working. Well, the UPS guy probably gets all the exercise he needs by end of his work day. Most of us need to deliberately work harder at fitness.

That happens to be a very natural approach to good health.

Whatever works is good, but better is to sell the success story to your doctor. Get them on board at least with what works, but if not consider they sometimes prefer to stick with what they learned 40 years ago.

I frequented a urology clinic over a ten year span bearing me at least 40 kidney stones. He graduated med school in 1951, so i should have questioned his advice at least a little bit. He concluded that I needed o eliminate calcium from my diet, citing a persistent image of a stone hung up in my colon that looked to him like "an undissolved calcium supplement tablet". Your stones are made of calcium oxalate, so the calcium has to be drastically reduced."

Two years later, having abandoned dairy, the tablets, and other sources of calcium, I had a very unexpected heart attack. Adding a cardiologist to my schedule, I was told my blood calcium test showed I had none, which caused the heart muscle to stop working. I later birthed the "tablet", a younger more up-to-date urologist removing it from the lining of my bladder, not the colon. It was a calcium huge imbedded calcium oxalate stone, the last seen in my body.

He retired suddenly that year, closing the whole clinic, apologizing to me.

Research it all. Learn all you can about treatments, whether picked by you or your doctor. Pray over all you do, trusting God to help regulate your body as well as soul. Use some common sense, too. If someone recommends taking a bite of mushroom known to be poisonous, don't tempt God by saying grace over it then eating. If, however, you eat it ignorantly, but prayed over it, I trust the word of God that I am protected. Meanwhile I study to avoid such problems, as sometimes I forget to pray.
 

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While I appreciate the sentiments expressed in this post there are some inaccuracies here.

If any substance has a pharmacologic effect i.e. potentially actually works on the body in some way then it is also potentially dangerous.
Jonah is correct in saying that a large percentage of accidental poisonings involve herbal remedies.
However there is no completely safe, and side effect free, agent that actually works.
If a claim of 100% safety is true then that agent is a placebo - in other words it has no effect.

One of the biggest myths that circulate around herbal remedies is that they cannot harm you - that is complete nonsense.
Many people also have similar views about more conventional medications that are available "over-the-counter".
Paracetamol, for example, causes more medication-related deaths than any other medication known.
(I am not referring to deliberate overdose here either.)
Of course, the reason is partly due to the fact that it is also the most commonly taken medication on the planet.
Paracetamol can be very safe when it is appropriately selected, but it can be deadly when taken in the wrong situations.

The key point here is that no agent, howsoever marketed, that actually works (has a pharmaceutical effect) can be said to be unequivocally and unconditionally safe.

Jonah is absolutely correct in advising that individuals consult with their doctors before taking ANY pharmaceutical agent, whether marketed as herbal or traditional, or not.
This is even more important if one is already taking medication for other purposes.

Disclaimer: I am a physician. I have no pecuniary interest in any pharmaceutical or herbal remedy company. I will not answer any questions related to specific agents. The content above should be interpreted as general advice only.
I thank you for setting me straight on this, as I speak only form personal experience and can say ive never noticed any side effects of the herbal remedies I use, and I am not a physician nor ever claim to be one, my info is based on my personal experience only and is never meant to persuad anyone to do anything.
 

hornetguy

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All depends who ya ask which was sorta my point


I just googled "fasting is unhealthy for you" and wallah... I was good to post that "they say its bad for ya too"

Not that I listen to them or give them much merit.
"wallah" ?? (eyebrow raised)

Thanks for the giggle, sis.... :D
 

hornetguy

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Please do not do this. My SIL had breast cancer back in 2012. She had surgery, then months of chemo and then radiation. She is doing well, 4 years in remission. It was hard on her then, but she is grateful she did the right protocols.

See how big the double blind studies for the herbs you are taking are. Oh, right! There are none! That is why you simply should never rely on testimonials, or someone trying to sell something, either in person or on the internet. I think you need to talk seriously to your doctor, and he will show you this is the worst course of action you can take.

I will pray that you will change your feelings about this, and get some reputable medicine to help you defeat this cancer.
I agree.... I have begun the process of eliminating all "processed" foods from my diet...it's very difficult to do, but I believe the old adage "garbage in, garbage out". If we eat the right foods, and get moderate exercise, that will go MUCH farther in "healing" us over the long term...

BUT, if my lymphoma comes back, I will be doing what my oncologist suggests (which will be chemo, according to him).... because it has a proven track record of success.

I know that it is all in God's hands, but I believe God expects us to take advantage of the scientific knowledge He has allowed researchers to find.

If I can help by doing "smart" things with my body, I think I have a greater chance of thriving... not simply surviving.
 
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"wallah" ?? (eyebrow raised)

Thanks for the giggle, sis.... :D
Oh no!! Man, That is SO BAD!!!

Thanks for bringing that to my attention it is actually the word ignorant people use when they really want to say "viola" but there you go, I always say I am dumber then doornails when it come to words

That is not something I would want to continue to say when surprised by any results

And here I said even that to avoid another word (I understood) and slammed right into that one, how ironic is that?

Thanks again Hornetguy, much appreciated! God bless you!
 

crossnote

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1 Timothy 4:8 KJVS
[8] For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

Same principle with food as bodily exercise.
 

Angela53510

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I agree.... I have begun the process of eliminating all "processed" foods from my diet...it's very difficult to do, but I believe the old adage "garbage in, garbage out". If we eat the right foods, and get moderate exercise, that will go MUCH farther in "healing" us over the long term...

BUT, if my lymphoma comes back, I will be doing what my oncologist suggests (which will be chemo, according to him).... because it has a proven track record of success.

I know that it is all in God's hands, but I believe God expects us to take advantage of the scientific knowledge He has allowed researchers to find.

If I can help by doing "smart" things with my body, I think I have a greater chance of thriving... not simply surviving.

I have been an organic vegetarian since I was 17. I have grown my own veggies for most of those years. I call it my "God" diet. Eating foods as close to the form that God made them. That excludes processed and junk foods. I also have been on an exercise program, riding bike, weights and stretches for 11 years now, except when my RA was so bad I could not get out of bed. I am turning that about again.

I know I would not have made it this far, without eating a careful diet and exercise. In fact, I was in a University study on the heart for people with RA. I was the only person in the large group that did not have plaque build up in my arteries and heart.
The doctor who was in charge spent a long time with me, asking questions about my lifestyle. And how severe my RA is. (Very, severe)

BUT, eating correctly and exercise have not stopped me from getting RA, nor treating it. I even went to a naturopath at one point, who pronounced me extremely healthy, much younger than my age, in spite of my RA. But even he told me to not go off my RA meds.

I think you are very wise to clean up your diet and exercise. But to not rule out chemo in the event of a relapse! Which I hope and pray never happens!
 

hornetguy

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Oh no!! Man, That is SO BAD!!!

Thanks for bringing that to my attention it is actually the word ignorant people use when they really want to say "viola" but there you go, I always say I am dumber then doornails when it come to words

That is not something I would want to continue to say when surprised by any results

And here I said even that to avoid another word (I understood) and slammed right into that one, how ironic is that?

Thanks again Hornetguy, much appreciated! God bless you!
I just figured you did it on purpose... I do that sometimes. I frequently tell people that something is a "fig newton of their imagination"...

I've seen a lot of folks say that it is a "doggy-dog" world out there... I don't know if it's on purpose, or if they just don't know it's a "dog eat dog" world..

Don't even get me started on people that say they will "prolly" do something or other... I mean, really... are two more letters going to kill you? It's SO much easier to type "prolly" than "probably".... :rolleyes:

lol..... fun stuff....
 

hornetguy

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I always say I am dumber then doornails when it come to words
somehow, "dumb" is not a word I would ever associate with you.... even IF you had issues with spelling...;)