Which Bible?

[leslie261]

Everyone needs to do their own research on translations and why its a big-deal, but listening to KJV's and Modern's go back n forth is discouraging.

Personally, I want it in any language (old or modern) that doesn't water-down the message I'm not on a KJV-team or a Modern-team. I will follow the translation the is the closest to the Manuscript.

The best we can do to help each other is give personal testimony - "I like such-n-such Bible because of this-that-n-whatever." All anyone knows is their own experience. A person can share that without bashing others and their experiences. It's embarrassing to listen to believers talk about the words of Christ, but what they exhibit is hatred to one another. It is evident that neither side "gets it."

I am ashamed if I have ever answered unlovingly. I'm not ashamed that someone knows more than me, or has a better translation, but that I may have shown that Christ's words don't "abide in me" by my responses.

 

[fredoheaven]

Everyone needs to do their own research on translations and why its a big-deal, but listening to KJV's and Modern's go back n forth is discouraging.

Personally, I want it in any language (old or modern) that doesn't water-down the message I'm not on a KJV-team or a Modern-team. I will follow the translation the is the closest to the Manuscript.

The best we can do to help each other is give personal testimony - "I like such-n-such Bible because of this-that-n-whatever." All anyone knows is their own experience. A person can share that without bashing others and their experiences. It's embarrassing to listen to believers talk about the words of Christ, but what they exhibit is hatred to one another. It is evident that neither side "gets it."

I am ashamed if I have ever answered unlovingly. I'm not ashamed that someone knows more than me, or has a better translation, but that I may have shown that Christ's words don't "abide in me" by my responses.

Hi Leslie,

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Every word is important to Christ and every word is given by the inspiration of God. KJV'iers emphasized pure, preserved, holy, inspired words of God. Words we know it has it meanings and sometimes alterations, omissions, deletions, additions, corruption etc may watered down the real intent of God's word. For the wisest King, Solomon says the every must be pure, for Jesus, man is to not live by bread alone but by "every word". For Paul to Timothy, scripture must be holy, words is a separate just like a Christian as we need to be holy because God is holy. These scriptures is given by the inspiration of God and they are profitable for doctrine. Words watered down means watered down doctrine. It is also used for reproof that is rebuking, for correcting and for instruction in righteousness so that the man of God will become mature and throughly furnished unto all good works.

Now, if the KJV is no longer the KJV with its alteration, omissions and so forth then it's main thing of furnishing to good works and doctrine serves no purpose. Again "EVERY WORD" is important.

God bless you

 

[leslie261]

I agree with you absolutely. My point is the unloving way Christians are speaking to each other on the matter. To be unkind shows that even though a person can quote a lot of scripture, they lack understanding by the "nature" of their responces.
I compare my Bible to the original manuscript to check for accuracy, but if there are any other better translations people are buzzing about, I defiantly want to know about it. Sharing knowledge by bickering and arrogance is a turn off. I was a little taken aback by some very knowledgeable responces that were delivered in a very uninspired way. Not referring to you.
I can see by your response, that you "get it" and help others in a gracious way. It is noticed and appreciated.

 

[Twistedtrumpet]

There is only one Bible! The word of God! The scriptures! We have it in English in the KJV! all other versions are perversions! They are not the word of God! All you need to do to prove it is to examine the books. you don't need to be a scholar to see this. The books don't agree! And Yet! They all refer to the KJV! they have to! For it is the true word of God!

 

[fredoheaven]

I agree with you absolutely. My point is the unloving way Christians are speaking to each other on the matter. To be unkind shows that even though a person can quote a lot of scripture, they lack understanding by the "nature" of their responces.
I compare my Bible to the original manuscript to check for accuracy, but if there are any other better translations people are buzzing about, I defiantly want to know about it. Sharing knowledge by bickering and arrogance is a turn off. I was a little taken aback by some very knowledgeable responces that were delivered in a very uninspired way. Not referring to you.
I can see by your response, that you "get it" and help others in a gracious way. It is noticed and appreciated.

Thanks for the kodus but let God alone receives the credit!

God bless you as you study His infallible words of God

 

[KJV1611]

We must not forget that the body is one. One Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism and one God and Father of all. There are not multiple versions of the bible, there is only one word and it's not hard to figure out which one it is.

 

[Dino246]

There is only one Bible! The word of God! The scriptures! We have it in English in the KJV! all other versions are perversions! They are not the word of God! All you need to do to prove it is to examine the books. you don't need to be a scholar to see this. The books don't agree! And Yet! They all refer to the KJV! they have to! For it is the true word of God!

Hello and welcome to CC!
Of course the various translations don't agree with each other, given that they were translated from different source material. However, the KJV is not the standard. It is no more valid to claim that the KJV doesn't agree with the ESV or the NASB so the KJV must be wrong. Temporal priority and familiarity are no guarantees of accuracy.
Come on in, join the discussion, share your perspective with respect, and be open to learning from those with differing perspectives. You might make a few friends. While you are certainly free to hold and express your opinion, posting loud exclamatory rhetoric probably won't help you get along with others.

 

[Chester]

Hello and welcome to CC!
Of course the various translations don't agree with each other, given that they were translated from different source material. However, the KJV is not the standard. It is no more valid to claim that the KJV doesn't agree with the ESV or the NASB so the KJV must be wrong. Temporal priority and familiarity are no guarantees of accuracy.
Come on in, join the discussion, share your perspective with respect, and be open to learning from those with differing perspectives. You might make a few friends. While you are certainly free to hold and express your opinion, posting loud exclamatory rhetoric probably won't help you get along with others.

Wow! What a post! Civility, love, clarity, and wisdom!

 

[Twistedtrumpet]

The sad thing that you read on this thread is people think the choice is theirs! They think they can decide which is the word of God! No! It doesn't work that way! God decides! The word of God is His! we can't change it based on what we like! The KJV is the English translation of the word of God! It agrees with the texts that goes back to the scriptures! The other books are from a perverted line of texts! They change words and meanings! They delete passages! They are of satan!

 

[Chester]

The sad thing that you read on this thread is people think the choice is theirs! They think they can decide which is the word of God! No! It doesn't work that way! God decides! The word of God is His! we can't change it based on what we like! The KJV is the English translation of the word of God! It agrees with the texts that goes back to the scriptures! The other books are from a perverted line of texts! They change words and meanings! They delete passages! They are of satan!

You are entitled to your opinion and it is fine to share that opinion on CC. But I would suggest that you take Dino246's advice: "Loud exclamatory rhetoric" will not help you much on this forum. I mean statements like "they are of Satan".

Instead, if you feel the KJV is the best or only translation - say so and post a piece of evidence to support your claim - and then get ready to civilly interact with others who disagree.

 

[John146]

The sad thing that you read on this thread is people think the choice is theirs! They think they can decide which is the word of God! No! It doesn't work that way! God decides! The word of God is His! we can't change it based on what we like! The KJV is the English translation of the word of God! It agrees with the texts that goes back to the scriptures! The other books are from a perverted line of texts! They change words and meanings! They delete passages! They are of satan!

The texts are of Satan, not the people involved or those who use it. Satan's #1 attack is always going to be on the word of God.

 

[Twistedtrumpet]

If you use the texts and believe the texts you're listening to satan and not God!

 

[CS1]

There is only one Bible! The word of God! The scriptures! We have it in English in the KJV! all other versions are perversions! They are not the word of God! All you need to do to prove it is to examine the books. you don't need to be a scholar to see this. The books don't agree! And Yet! They all refer to the KJV! they have to! For it is the true word of God!

well just so you know the Original language was hebrew and greek . God is not limited to only one language the gospel is preached in every language known to man and the Bible is just about every language today and people who do not even speak English and God is able to save them. your point has some merit but a little over board

 

[hornetguy]

The texts are of Satan, not the people involved or those who use it. Satan's #1 attack is always going to be on the word of God.

hmmmm.... I see no scripture that indicates that.... what I've read shows that Satan will attack BELIEVERS, not the words of God.
Satan cannot tempt or lie to the words of God.... he tempts us, and lies to us.

Nice twist, though.

 

[Chester]

If you use the texts and believe the texts you're listening to satan and not God!

Do you have any evidence for this?

 

[hornetguy]

The sad thing that you read on this thread is people think the choice is theirs! They think they can decide which is the word of God! No! It doesn't work that way! God decides! The word of God is His! we can't change it based on what we like! The KJV is the English translation of the word of God! It agrees with the texts that goes back to the scriptures! The other books are from a perverted line of texts! They change words and meanings! They delete passages! They are of satan!

Sadly, I predict a short, bleak future for you here..... hopefully you will calm down and join in discussion, and stop with the "street corner prophet" attitude.

 

[Twistedtrumpet]

I guess you never read Genesis 3:1KJV! here let me refresh your memory!
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Genesis 3:1 KJV
satan has been perverting the word of God since the beginning!

 

[BeyondET]

The sad thing that you read on this thread is people think the choice is theirs! They think they can decide which is the word of God! No! It doesn't work that way! God decides! The word of God is His! we can't change it based on what we like! The KJV is the English translation of the word of God! It agrees with the texts that goes back to the scriptures! The other books are from a perverted line of texts! They change words and meanings! They delete passages! They are of satan!

Humorous indeed, the KJV took into consideration the tynadale New Testament, the Coverdale bible, the Matthews bible, the great bible, the Geneva bible, Rheims New Testament, the Bishop's bible,, all these English translated bibles were before prince James VI of Scotland used 50 so scholars to release his version the King Jimmy in 1611.

 

[Dino246]

The sad thing that you read on this thread is people think the choice is theirs! They think they can decide which is the word of God! No! It doesn't work that way! God decides! The word of God is His! we can't change it based on what we like!

I agree; we do not get to decide or choose what is and isn't Scripture. We may not like it, but we have no authority to change it. We 'recognize' the Canon; we don't determine it.

The KJV is the English translation of the word of God! It agrees with the texts that goes back to the scriptures! ... They change words and meanings! They delete passages!

The KJV is one translation among many. Its source material does not "go back" to the scriptures any more than that of newer translations; its NT was translated from published Greek editions which were less than 100 years old in 1611.

I presume that where you state "they change words and meanings" you mean the newer English translations. Your comment is logically valid only if the KJV is the standard against which others are compared (you may hold this view but it is not a 'fact'). Only when you are prepared to hold the KJV to the same critical standard to which you hold others can you make a valid argument about changing or deleting.

May I encourage you to search this site for (and read) the threads which have discussed this issue at length.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Just so I am clearly understanding the KJV only folks.....God spoke all there is into existence but you don't think He is able to keep His message pure through different translations of His Word....really?? I also prefer the KJV but I also am attempting to learn some greek. That said whether I call Him Jesus, Yeshua, Lord or King, He knows who I am talking /praying to no matter what language I am speaking.