Lying wonders

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The workings of Satan are manifest in those who do the lusts of their father the Devil, which workings were also forecast to be revealed in them by a show of power, signs, and lying wonders. In the Exodus story we saw how God brought out Israel from the bondage of Egypt by many sore judgements and a demonstration of His mighty power by numerous signs, and wonders.

But we also saw in that same story how the wise men, sorcerers, and magicians of Pharaoh also mimicked many of the signs and wonders the Lord had performed by Moses and with the rod of Aaron which he had turned into a serpent. As I believe these things were also examples and shadows for us of things to come on a global scale in the last days.


Much like those magicians of Pharaoh using
enchantments, men working in false religions, science, and medicine are also empowered by the spirit of the Red Dragon, and who by doing many wondrous works would deceive the masses, and by whom also the spirit of a lie working in them would also boast many great things.


We know by Jesus words there would be those who would come in his name professing the working of signs and wonders in Matthew 7:22-23 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that
work iniquity.”


But when Paul spoke of the spirit to come in the world after
the workings of Satan with all power signs and lying wonders he said this spirit would oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”


I personally do not believe it is only “religious” types who will fulfill this prophecy, but rather those who do not believe in the One true God, or any god at all for that matter. Our bodies are that temple made for God’s Spirit to dwell, but this
Wicked spirit that was forecast to come working in the hearts and minds of men would exalt his knowledge above that of God’s.


I believe this
spirit that exalts itself above all that is called God is already working in the world in the great men of industry and modern day science and medicine. These men would be like the wise men, sorcerers, and magicians of Pharaoh who would try to mimic the workings and miracles of God, but in truth would practice lying wonders.
 
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Comparing some similarities…..

God said to Abram his seed would be a stranger in the land, whom they would serve and be afflicted and then the Lord would judge that nation (Egypt) ….
Genesis 15:13And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; [SUP]14 [/SUP]And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.”


Just as we are like strangers in this world, and are afflicted, serving the system the leaders of this wicked world have set up, but Jesus came to set us free from the ways of the world, and even pronounced it’s judgement in
John 12:31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

The Lord sent sore judgments upon Egypt, just as the Lord would send 4 sore judgments upon the world like he did with Israel in the OT, these are also shown in the 4 horsemen judgments.
 
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But the world’s wise men would try to remedy these judgments by their use of sorcery, and enchantments, like in the Exodus story..... "Then Pharaoh [SUP]H6547[/SUP] also called [SUP]H7121[/SUP] the wise men [SUP]H2450[/SUP] and the sorcerers: [SUP]H3784[/SUP] now the magicians [SUP]H2748[/SUP] of Egypt, [SUP]H4714[/SUP] they also did [SUP]H6213[/SUP] in like manner [SUP]H3651[/SUP] with their enchantments. [SUP]H3858[/SUP]

That word above is interesting because it is only used 2 times in the OT, notice use in …. The KJV translates Strongs H3858 in the following manner:
flaming (1x), enchantment (1x).

A. flame (of an angelic sword) as in Gen. 3:24 Also ….
לַהַט lahaṭ, lah'-hat; from
H3857; a blaze; also (from the idea of enwrapping) magic (as covert):—flaming, enchantment.

But in other places a different word is used for enchantments as in.... "And the magicians
[SUP]H2748[/SUP] of Egypt [SUP]H4714[/SUP] did [SUP]H6213[/SUP] so with their enchantments: [SUP]H3909[/SUP] and Pharaoh's [SUP]H6547[/SUP] heart [SUP]H3820[/SUP] was hardened, [SUP]H2388[/SUP] neither did he hearken [SUP]H8085[/SUP] unto them; as the LORD [SUP]H3068[/SUP] had said. [SUP]H1696[/SUP]

Word use, definition…. The KJV translates Strongs H3909 in the following manner:
enchantment (3x), softly (1x), secretly (1x), privily (1x). Bible usage… secrecy, mystery, enchantment, secrecy, secretly, mystery, enchantment.

Also from….
לָט lâṭ, lawt; a form of
H3814 or else participle from H3874; properly, covered, i.e. secret; by implication, incantation; also secrecy or (adverb) covertly:—enchantment, privily, secretly, softly.”

That sounds like the
workings of the “covering” cherub working in them to keep secret their mysterious practices of sorcery by which they practice to deceive.
 
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Compare to workings of Satan…..

Revelation 12:9
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

His wise men, sorcerers, magicians....


Revelation 18:23 “And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.”



 
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Compare ……

Exodus 7:10-12 “And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.”

Notice medical emblem…..

 
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I wonder if the medical symbol came from Moses because when people looked at the serpent on the pole - they were healed.

Then again satan always has his counterfeits.

Numbers 21:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Then the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live."

[SUP]9 [/SUP] And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived.
 
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The workings of Satan include murder and lies, as Jesus said in John 8:44
Legalizing murder….
Total number of abortions in the United States 1967-2016: 59,400,00
Population of 94 largest U.S. Cities: 59,384,222
Number of babies aborted each year worldwide -- 50,000,000.
Number of babies aborted throughout the world since World War II:
More than 1.8 billion.

Top 3 countries in number of abortions annually:
1. Red China -- 11,000,000.
2. Former Soviet Union -- 6,000,000.
3. The United States – 1,000,000 (Projected 2016)
Source….. http://www.movementforabetteramerica.org/abortionindex.html
 

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It will be lying wonders which deceive many in the last days but it will be centered in one individual...

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
(2Th 2:8-11)
 
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Now here is something many may not know because frankly it is something the CDC and hospitals may not like for you to know, as they do not even record it. (keeping secrets) And probably because it would also be bad for business. But Johns Hopkins did an 8 year study and found the third leading cause of death in U.S. is medical error. Over 250,000 people die per year due to medical error.
Source…. Johns Hopkins study suggests medical errors are third-leading cause of death in U.S. | Hub

Now the secrecy part, quote from article...
The Johns Hopkins team says the CDC's way of collecting national health statistics fails to classify medical errors separately on the death certificate.
Compare over 250,000 killed due to medical error in U.S. per year compared to 32,000 gun deaths per year.....Hmmmm.
 
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It will be lying wonders which deceive many in the last days but it will be centered in one individual...

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
(2Th 2:8-11)
Those who are looking with their eyes for a single individual man yet to come in the future have already been deceived, as that Wicked being a spirit is already working in the world and "in them", they, they all (meaning many) as is written.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12[SUP]8 [/SUP]And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
 
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The Lord Jesus Christ has equipped the members of His body by providing apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers (Eph 4:11). The body of Christ is to henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14). What the Lord Jesus Christ has provided is more than adequate to overcome the wiles of the devil and his cohorts.

lucifer has always coveted that which belongs only to God --- worship. The devil offered all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them to the Lord Jesus Christ if Jesus would fall down and worship him. Jesus refused and overcame the wicked one. The devil knows he has been defeated. He torments mankind because it's his last-ditch effort in thumbing his nose at God.

We are caution to not be shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter. We are not to be deceived. The man of sin/son of perdition will be revealed. He opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God (2 Thess 2:2-4). And our response to all this should be to give thanks always to God because we have been chosen to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit. We are instructed to stand fast (2 Thess 2:13-15). The Lord Jesus Christ and God our Father will comfort [our] hearts and establish [us] in every good word and work (2 Thess 2:16-17).
 
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Again legalized killing done by legalized poison from the legalized drug dealers and sorcerers of Satan....

100,000 Americans Die Each Year from Prescription Drugs, While Pharma Companies Get Rich | AlterNet

And here is the ironic part. Marijuana (a God made plant) is for the most part illegal in most of the U.S. (with exception in a few places where the Govt. can tax and profit from it :)) but yet tens of thousands of users have been jailed for use and or possession of it over the years. But did you know there has never been a recorded overdose case of Marijuana?

Here's Why Those 'Marijuana Deaths' Don't Change The Debate On Weed

Quote from article....
Second, there has still never been a documented overdose death due to marijuana. Cannabis may have triggered an underlying heart problem in the three recent cases, but the amount of marijuana those individuals consumed was not the issue.
Now I'm not advocating the use of marijuana, but why is man made drugs that kill hundreds of thousands of people by overdose yearly not deemed "illegal" and prosecuted by law, when a God made plant which has 0 cases of actual overdose is deemed the devils weed, illegal, and prosecuted? Something seems amiss. :)
 
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Those who are looking with their eyes for a single individual man yet to come in the future have already been deceived, as that Wicked being a spirit is already working in the world and "in them", they, they all (meaning many) as is written.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12[SUP]8 [/SUP]And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
So you don't believe it will be satan incarnate just as Jesus is God incarnate?
 
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So you don't believe it will be satan incarnate
Satan is known as the god of this world being an angel,(which are spirits) as he is also known as the Prince over the power of the air (spirit) that works in the children of disobedience. He is already made incarnate by working in billions of people who have his spirit working in them. We were warned of "many deceivers" and "many false prophets" by Jesus and the apostles, not the coming of a single individual man figure. That belief just shows a lack of understanding into how Satan by his spirit of a lie works and deceives the whole world.
 
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Again, compare spiritual things with spiritual....

Exodus 8:6-7 "And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt."

Now compare to the current Zika virus, which they say is brought on and carried by mosquitoes (God sent plague and pestilence) And what is Satan's wise men, sorcerers and magicians response to fighting these mosquitoes....

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/business/new-weapon-to-fight-zika-the-mosquito.html?_r=0

Quote from article.....
Every weekday at 7 a.m., a van drives slowly through the southeastern Brazilian city of Piracicaba carrying a precious cargo — mosquitoes. More than 100,000 of them are dumped from plastic containers out the van’s window, and they fly off to find mates.
But these are not ordinary mosquitoes. They have been genetically engineered to pass a lethal gene to their offspring, which die before they can reach adulthood. In small tests, this approach has lowered mosquito populations by 80 percent or more.
Fighting disease with the same disease is nothing new, as a lot of vaccines are made from
A vaccination is the injection of a killed or weakened organism that produces immunity in the body against that organism.
So like in the days of Moses and Aaron God sends a plague or pestilence, and then the Pharaoh's magicians just reproduce it. Sign, sign, every where a sign. :)
 

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Satan is known as the god of this world being an angel,(which are spirits) as he is also known as the Prince over the power of the air (spirit) that works in the children of disobedience. He is already made incarnate by working in billions of people who have his spirit working in them. We were warned of "many deceivers" and "many false prophets" by Jesus and the apostles, not the coming of a single individual man figure. That belief just shows a lack of understanding into how Satan by his spirit of a lie works and deceives the whole world.
It takes too much scripture shuffling not to see one person fulfilling the future antichrist role.
But you'll believe what you want and keep calling those deceived that see it differently.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.Revelation 13:6

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
(2Th 2:3-4)


And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
(Rev 19:19-20)

 
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It takes too much scripture shuffling not to see one person fulfilling the future antichrist role.
But you'll believe what you want and keep calling those deceived that see it differently.
What is funny about your statement above about "scripture shuffling" concerning what you refer to as a "future person" fulfilling the single man antichrist role, is what the scriptures actually say about antichrist.....

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (more than one person denies Jesus is the Christ= many liars and deceivers) :)

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (notice "it" is that one spirit working in many)


2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

So the only ones who are doing the "scripture shuffling" to make up an imaginary future man figure called Antichrist is those who do not understand what is plainly written concerning antichrist being a singular spirit working in many deceivers and many false prophets. :)
 

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What is funny about your statement above about "scripture shuffling" concerning what you refer to as a "future person" fulfilling the single man antichrist role, is what the scriptures actually say about antichrist.....

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (more than one person denies Jesus is the Christ= many liars and deceivers) :)

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (notice "it" is that one spirit working in many)


2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

So the only ones who are doing the "scripture shuffling" to make up an imaginary future man figure called Antichrist is those who do not understand what is plainly written concerning antichrist being a singular spirit working in many deceivers and many false prophets. :)
sigh, no one denies that there are many antichrists in the world. But apparently you want to deny the future activity of ONE man in the future also known as the MAN of sin or the beast. That's your prerogative but to call others 'deceived' with a differing view on that topic is tacky.
 
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sigh, no one denies that there are many antichrists in the world. But apparently you want to deny the future activity of ONE man in the future also known as the MAN of sin or the beast. That's your prerogative but to call others 'deceived' with a differing view on that topic is tacky.
You are trying to connect A to B when you don't even first understand what A is plainly saying. If you start out in error you will also end up in error. And when Paul was speaking of the man of sin and son of perdition he was playing off of Jesus words about a whole wicked generation to whom Jesus referred to as "a man" in a parable. But I have also tried numerous times to explain that to you as well, but you like others have hardened your hearts to it and would rather believe what you have been taught and learned from other carnally minded men like yourselves.


And sorry to offend by using the word "deceived" but those who believe in the lies of false teachers are, and in fact already have been deceived by believing the lie.