Colossians

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phil36

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How do you see the Colossian Heresy, and its impact on our church now, particularly regarding angels?

Or has it no bearing on some views held within the Church today?
 
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machew

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How do you see the Colossian Heresy, and its impact on our church now, particularly regarding angels?

Or has it no bearing on some views held within the Church today?
Based on what Paul wrote in Colossians 2:8-23, it seems like they struggled with numerous things, everything from embracing the Jewish law requirement of circumcision, disputing the deity of the entire Godhead, disputing Christ coming in the flesh, worshiping angels, self-abasement, to needing to re-embrace the significance of the death and resurrection of Jesus. Are you focusing particularly on one of the things they did or all of them in general?
 

QuestionTime

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I think I just saw something fly over my head. :confused:

If there was such a thing as Christian Jeopardy TV show, Phil would be able to turn that knowledge into $$$.

Quest
 
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1still_waters

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I think the issue was people who had been ROOTED in Christ, were now getting their spiritual roots in to other things...ie visions of angels, judiasm's legalism and such. People were making a BIGGER deal over their spiritual revelations and following of legalistic laws than in making a BIG deal over Jesus. Paul reminds them it's all about Jesus.

I think modern day parallel's could be undue focus on any aspect of our walk with God.

Undo focus on spiritual revelations and spiritual experiences at the expense of lifting up Jesus, the gospel, his word and spiritual transformation...

Undo focus on end times events, focusing on the minutia of how it's all going to come about at the expense of actually focusing on Jesus and becoming more Christ like...

Undo focus on playing the expose this guy game, instead of focusing on Jesus and becoming like Him.

Bottom line, any time there are roots in something other than Jesus, something has gone wrong. Anytime there is an undo focus on something other than Jesus and becoming like him, then something has gone wrong.
 
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lighthousejohn

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How do you see the Colossian Heresy, and its impact on our church now, particularly regarding angels?

Or has it no bearing on some views held within the Church today?
Colossians 2:16-19 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

Paul was admonishing the Colossians to adhere to the true gospel of Christ and to abstain from listening to false teachings and observances. Their tendancy was to believe in anything that had a hint of spitual truth. That is the enemies way of working false beliefs ino the church. It worked against the Colossians and it works against the church today.

A bit of truth wrapped in a big lie to deceive the saints. The Angel of Light shines brightly in many churches today with new age teachings and liberal dilution of the Gospel of Christ.

We must stand firm in what we believe. The Gospel of Christ must stand against all false teachings. We are to be the bearers of that message.

In Christ,
John
 
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glenwood74

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I like 1still_waters' answer. Whenever the focus becomes anything but Jesus, then we are in danger of idolatry.
 

QuestionTime

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My Mother worships angels. She has no regard for God by her actions, but her "angels" are extremely important. She has little angels around the house. She also found an angel figurine outside her door hanging on the wall. She has no idea who hung it there, so she thinks angels did it. She says the statues at church talk to her as well.

Yikes!

Quest
 
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The angels are actually the ministers of the saints for the saints have glory above the angels.


11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into(1 Peter 1:11-12).

The Bible says the angels desire to look into the salvation of the saints.That is because the saints will have more glory than the angels.The saints will have a glorified body like God's glorified body and rule with Christ in the millennial reign of Christ a privilege the angels will never have.
Angels are servants of the saints and since they are angels and not men the structure of earth whoever is the greatest let him be a servant does not apply to the angels for they are servants but not greater than people who inherit salvation.

Why would a saint worship an angel when a saint is greater than an angel.

My mom believes in following angels and that there is many gods.

Matt
 
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Wootie

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My Mother worships angels. She has no regard for God by her actions, but her "angels" are extremely important. She has little angels around the house. She also found an angel figurine outside her door hanging on the wall. She has no idea who hung it there, so she thinks angels did it. She says the statues at church talk to her as well.

Yikes!

Quest
There are so many false idols that people worship. It scares me that they think it is Godly to worship an Angel, Crosses etc.... I use to think if I hung enough Jesus stuff on the walls that I would be safer. lol Imagine that. I now know that it is a sin to limit Him to a picture/cross/book etc....
 

QuestionTime

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The Bible says the angels desire to look into the salvation of the saints.That is because the saints will have more glory than the angels.The saints will have a glorified body like God's glorified body and rule with Christ in the millennial reign of Christ a privilege the angels will never have. Angels are servants of the saints and since they are angels and not men the structure of earth whoever is the greatest let him be a servant does not apply to the angels for they are servants but not greater than people who inherit salvation.

Why would a saint worship an angel when a saint is greater than an angel.

Matt

Wow, I didn't know this. We will be greater than angels? Is this really true?

I suppose though - and hope - if they don't have bodies we will still be able to see them with our eyes during the 1000 year period and beyond, correct?

If this is true, I bet satan would really have hated Adam and Eve, seeing them two completely inferior creatures with a better inheritance. Well, unless that better inheritance just came to us in Christ after the fall.

But yeah, I think we deserve something good for having to suffer through this garbage life, first born in sin and then after conversion having trials and temptations, even physical torture and death. Meanwhile the angels have no sin nature to battle and they are in God's will and presence continually.

Quest