We were tricked with fake holy days

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Christmas? Easter? These are not of God.
The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, These are the appointed feasts of the LORD that you shall proclaim as holy convocations; they are my appointed feasts. Leviticus 23:1-2 (ESV2011)

It seems like we were tricked on many things.
 
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As a Christian, rather than an Israelite, it seems fitting to me to celebrate the birth and resurrection of the Lord after he was born and after he resurrected, rather than 1500 years earlier when Moses was roaming the earth.
 

Demi777

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That my dear brother is why i dont go to church and celebrate like others do..
 
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As a Christian, rather than an Israelite, it seems fitting to me to celebrate the birth and resurrection of the Lord after he was born and after he resurrected, rather than 1500 years earlier when Moses was roaming the earth.
I hope you can see my point. Who would want to trick us and cause us to miss God's appointed times? And then give us substitutes that seem to appeal to the flesh? Even non-believers love Christmas.
 

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No they are not God appointed festivals. Some Christians celebrate them some don't. My Dad doesn't believe in them thus we don't keep them. I myself am quite happy to celebrate the birth and resurrection of Jesus at whatever time of the year.
 

trofimus

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Christmas? Easter? These are not of God.
The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, These are the appointed feasts of the LORD that you shall proclaim as holy convocations; they are my appointed feasts. Leviticus 23:1-2 (ESV2011)

It seems like we were tricked on many things.
"The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the people of Israel"
nuf said, not for us

It was temporary and for its purpose till Christ, it is not needed now and we have freedom:

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Col 2:16

It seems you know Old Testament more than the New, actual one.
 
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"The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the people of Israel"
nuf said, not for us

It was temporary and for its purpose till Christ, it is not needed now and we have freedom:

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Col 2:16

It seems you know Old Testament more than the New, actual one.
If you knew a little more about the Bible, you would know that Paul was telling the Colossians to not let people judge them because they ARE keeping God's dietary laws and appointed holy days. You were tricked into thinking it means the opposite.
Almighty God has shown in Scripture what His real Holy Days are. You do what you want.
 

breno785au

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If you knew a little more about the Bible, you would know that Paul was telling the Colossians to not let people judge them because they ARE keeping God's dietary laws and appointed holy days. You were tricked into thinking it means the opposite.
Almighty God has shown in Scripture what His real Holy Days are. You do what you want.
hahaha, then why we he go on to say those were a shadow of things to come and the reality is found in Christ?
 

birdie

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Christmas? Easter? These are not of God.
The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, These are the appointed feasts of the LORD that you shall proclaim as holy convocations; they are my appointed feasts. Leviticus 23:1-2 (ESV2011)

It seems like we were tricked on many things.
It is good to study God's appointed feasts from scriptures like Leviticus 23 or Exodus 12, for example. They are more likely to be of value in growing in understanding than conforming to many cultural practices and holidays outside of scripture. However, during the various Christmas and Easter celebrations and traditions of different cultures one sometimes hears scriptures being read, from Matthew 2, for example, or Matthew 28, as another example. Any scripture can be of value, like those about Christ's birth or his resurection. Hymns are often valuable as well. Just going to a cultural tradition or a cultural holiday does not make you saved nor does it make you unsaved, and is never a means to be saved. Not even ritual enactment of the Leviticus 23 holidays makes us saved, or makes us not saved.

If we look at the feasts which the Lord chose from Leviticus 23, we should understand that to truly "keep" a feast does not means to follow a set of physical rituals at a particular date, like to find a real kid goat on a special day of the year and go kill it, for example. Rather, the rituals described are patterns which point to Christ and his salvation plan. The rituals themselves are just a shadow of the real thing. The kid goat that is killed is just a picture of Christ. If you understand the message, you don't have to kill a goat every so often to be in obedience to God. In fact, killing a goat on a special date will not be a means to salvation. The real thing is simply to be in Christ, to accept that he was the one slain for us.
 
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hahaha, then why we he go on to say those were a shadow of things to come and the reality is found in Christ?
What Bible version are you reading? I have never heard it with the word "reality".
The shadow pictures are FOR the body of Christ, the church.
Think about it. Messiah was crucified on Passover. He was place in the tomb at the beginning of Unleavened Bread. He arose on Firstfruits. He sent His Spirit on Pentecost. Now, do you think these are important?
 

trofimus

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If you knew a little more about the Bible, you would know that Paul was telling the Colossians to not let people judge them because they ARE keeping God's dietary laws and appointed holy days. You were tricked into thinking it means the opposite.
Almighty God has shown in Scripture what His real Holy Days are. You do what you want.
If they were judged for keeping the festivals and sabbath, it makes no sense to assure them that these festivals, dietary laws and sabbatsh were just shadows of the reality in Christ.

You should try harder.
 
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It is good to study God's appointed feasts from scriptures like Leviticus 23 or Exodus 12, for example. They are more likely to be of value in growing in understanding than conforming to many cultural practices and holidays outside of scripture. However, during the various Christmas and Easter celebrations and traditions of different cultures one sometimes hears scriptures being read, from Matthew 2, for example, or Matthew 28, as another example. Any scripture can be of value, like those about Christ's birth or his resurection. Hymns are often valuable as well. Just going to a cultural tradition or a cultural holiday does not make you saved nor does it make you unsaved, and is never a means to be saved. Not even ritual enactment of the Leviticus 23 holidays makes us saved, or makes us not saved.

If we look at the feasts which the Lord chose from Leviticus 23, we should understand that to truly "keep" a feast does not means to follow a set of physical rituals at a particular date, like to find a real kid goat on a special day of the year and go kill it, for example. Rather, the rituals described are patterns which point to Christ and his salvation plan. The rituals themselves are just a shadow of the real thing. The kid goat that is killed is just a picture of Christ. If you understand the message, you don't have to kill a goat every so often to be in obedience to God. In fact, killing a goat on a special date will not be a means to salvation. The real thing is simply to be in Christ, to accept that he was the one slain for us.
You can read all the Scripture you like on December 25, but the event, Christmas, is not sanctioned by God. Come off the pride and read the Scripture for yourself. I was tricked too.
 
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If they were judged for keeping the festivals and sabbath, it makes no sense to assure them that these festivals, dietary laws and sabbatsh were just shadows of the reality in Christ.

You are making no sense.
Did he say "these are just shadows", or "these are shadows". Do you see how you added that one little word and changed the appearance. Don't do that.
 

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What Bible version are you reading? I have never heard it with the word "reality".
The shadow pictures are FOR the body of Christ, the church.
Think about it. Messiah was crucified on Passover. He was place in the tomb at the beginning of Unleavened Bread. He arose on Firstfruits. He sent His Spirit on Pentecost. Now, do you think these are important?
No, the shadows were for before the coming of Christ, they are shadows of Him. This is how that word body is used in context - 'that which casts a shadow as distinguished from the shadow itself'
We no longer look at shadows but the One that cast the shadow.
 
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No, the shadows were for before the coming of Christ, they are shadows of Him. This is how that word body is used in context - 'that which casts a shadow as distinguished from the shadow itself'
We no longer look at shadows but the One that cast the shadow.
dig in and study. What do you think will be the fulfillment of the fall feasts? The Feast of Trumpets, The Day of Atonement, The Feast of Tabernacles? If you know about those, then you would have a better understanding of the "shadow of things to come for the body of Christ.
 
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Tricked? How? There are few people nowdays who don't know there is a difference between to OT feasts and the modern "holidays". Besides, I don't think God cares whether I worship Him at Christmas, Hanukkah, Pascah or whatever, as long as I do worship
 
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Tricked? How? There are few people nowdays who don't know there is a difference between to OT feasts and the modern "holidays". Besides, I don't think God cares whether I worship Him at Christmas, Hanukkah, Pascah or whatever, as long as I do worship
ma'am, I know you are sincere when you worship. I am not doubting that. Try to understand, God has shown us the way to serve Him. It does not matter what we think. You call them OT feasts. He calls them MY Feasts. He does care when and how you do it. This is what Scripture teaches.
 
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ma'am, I know you are sincere when you worship. I am not doubting that. Try to understand, God has shown us the way to serve Him. It does not matter what we think. You call them OT feasts. He calls them MY Feasts. He does care when and how you do it. This is what Scripture teaches.
Hmm. When was the last time you built a "hut" in your back yard and stayed the night?
(That is one of the feasts of the Lord)
 

birdie

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You can read all the Scripture you like on December 25, but the event, Christmas, is not sanctioned by God. Come off the pride and read the Scripture for yourself. I was tricked too.
Hi disciplemike. I don't think you understood me. I didn't say it was sanctioned by God. I don't personally attend these events. You were putting words in my mouth dude. Not a good practice. I am curious, though, do you believe God is now calling Christians to do the rituals of Leviticus 23, build booths out of sticks and so forth, kill a kid goat at a certain time of year and so forth?
 
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Hi disciplemike. I don't think you understood me. I didn't say it was sanctioned by God. I don't personally attend these events. You were putting words in my mouth dude. Not a good practice. I am curious, though, do you believe God is now calling Christians to do the rituals of Leviticus 23, build booths out of sticks and so forth, kill a kid goat at a certain time of year and so forth?
I apologize if I misunderstood. Yes, believers should observe God's appointed times. That is not a hard question at all. We have been doing it for the last few years and it is awesome. As far as the Feast of Sukkot (Booths), yes, yes, yes. Well, at least observe it as best you can. We will be observing it when Messiah returns!
And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. Zechariah 14:16 (KJV)