In other words, license to sin. That is the accusation and summary of your perceived interpretation of what is being said by the hyper-grace proponents. I think the issue is that you don't understand how their solution to sin actually works, so you're fighting it because you don't understand it.
To you they are excusing their sin, instead of addressing it and having victory over it. Yet, there are testimonies of Christians who are victorious over sin through an understanding of God's grace, and their identity in Christ. Their repentance may not look like your repentance but its getting results in the lives of many believers. Setting them free from sins that held them. You cannot argue with the results.
It was a tad presumptuous to say they are being disobedient to the Holy Spirit, and not listening to Him. You don't know that, it is personal between them and the Lord. He lets us know when we are grieving Him.
How you define "true and godly repentance" and how they define repentance may differ, but again, I think you're fighting something you don't, at the moment, understand. Their solution albeit different from traditional concepts of repentance is getting results in the lives of people getting a hold of this revelation of God's grace and who they are in Christ, being new creations dead to sin and alive unto God.
No one is presenting a doctrine that says we have a license to sin. No one is saying to live the way you want. As a matter of fact they agree with the apostle Paul in asking, "How can we who are dead to sin, live in it?" The accusation, the allegation, or even the defamatory summation of hyper-grace theology is preaching licentiousness is unfounded and incorrect.
This is one of the worst examples of putting words in my mouth, if indeed you were addressing me.
I have not judged anyone, except for those posting false doctrine. The more I think about hyper-grace and hyper-repentance, and search my Bible in English, Greek and Hebrew, I do not find any existence of these words in the Bible. Not even a slight hint at them.
In fact, it is DOCTRINE I am attacking. As for what I said about three individuals, it was not about sin in their lives, which I know nothing about, but in fact, the words they have posted in this thread, which are false and even a lie from the devil. And if you are walking in false doctrine, and TEACHING it actively, well that cannot be walking with the Holy Spirit can it? I would say that is obvious sin!
But, it seems like many are taking this as a personal attack on them, and the way they live. So if the shoe fits - wear it! But if it does not, I apologize for my words that anyone took the wrong way.
So rather than defending our personal lives, why don't we get back to studying the Bible? And showing why people who are posting this pernicious doctrine which ignores sin, repentance and confession are making.
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When certain individuals joined CC, I was very wary of them and what they were saying. Then I was gradually and subtly taken in by this terrible false doctrine. Then I realized what had happened, and publicly repented of supporting this doctrine of hyper-grace. I then began to see how many others who had been taken in by this very noxious doctrine.
Especially when the Greek is wrongly quoted to support their false doctrine and they will not be corrected. And where did they learn their Greek? From Joseph Prince? From internet websites?
So, yes, I will continue to rebuke and warn people about believing things that are not in the Bible, and seem to imitate early church heresies in some ways. I have always been totally against the Word of Faith, since books were given to me in the 1980's and it didn't sync with what the Bible said. When I got sick with Rheumatoid Arthritis, the amount of condemnation and judgement I received, especially when I was down in so many ways, nearly destroyed my walk with God. (Of course, God did not turn from me, but I did turn from him! And God did bring me back, after 2 wasted years of my life!)
Then the very people that condemned me were not healed, one died of breast cancer because she refused treatment, because she believed God for a miracle he never said he would give her (not saying their are no miracles just that you cannot "claim" them on the basis of twisted Scriptures) The other person who condemned me also got sick unto death, but went to the hospital and had surgery and is a healthy 86 year old today.
And Joseph Prince stands for this doctrine. He got his start with WoF. I believe too many have been deluded by his false doctrines and revelations, and they have not only flooded this forum, but swayed many others to these lies from the devil.
Repentance - it is from sin, towards God! It is a turning from the world, towards God. It simply is not "a change of mind" and that is one of the basics of this heresy. Ignoring sin and turning repentance into something that has strayed so far from its Biblical roots, it is no longer the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
"She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” Matt 1:21.
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The opening pages of Matthew - and already it is clearly defined what the gospel is - it is saving people from their sins. Anything else is a lie! And "victory over sin" doesn't actually appear in the Bible. These verses might imply it but since Paul was actually talking about death, and how Jesus conquered sin, it is HIS victory over death and sin we are to be celebrating. In context, it is about Jesus, and Jesus giving us eternal life. If you have other verses I would be happy to look at them in context.
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“O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Cor. 15:55-57
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incantations" which seems to have offended you so much, I am referring to the constant reference to people chanting "I am the righteousness of God in Christ." True, this is the bible, but focusing on "I" is always the wrong direction to go. The gospel is supposed to focus on the "God in Christ", part of this verse, not the "I". And of course, saying it over and over is a New Age technique which is actually quite powerful, I can attest to! But it is not Biblical to chant, but rather to meditate and study the Word of God. [/FONT]
I really want to just share my heart more, so thank you for letting me know how you received it, and thank you so much, wow, you're so right. I do have brothers and sisters, I am surrounded by them.