giving principles in 2 cor 8 & 9 superior to tithing

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pagie said:
my question is should christians tithe in the manner in wich is taught today in most churches or is it a false doctrine?
Christians are told to give freely, sacrificially, generously, regularly, joyfully and with the motivation of love for God and man. The following New Covenant free-will principles are found in Second Corinthians, chapters 8 and 9: (1) Giving is a "grace.
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Tithing in church should inspire you to have a giving heart throughout the week. It is not about the money - God doesn't need the money you believe belongs to you; He is looking for a giving heart. I have noticed that tithing helps me put giving at the forefront of my mind.

Arguing if tithing is a requirement it reducing the act of giving to a meaningless exercise. Should we give - always; should we reduce it to merely something we do on Sunday - you could, but if it isn't changing your heart, save your money
 
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Hi Shad,

Concerning Acts 2:42-47, you have totally missed the mark. The apostles teaching where that of Of Jesus pr -ressurection and post -resurrection (40 days)

they sold every thing they had and spread amongst those in need, again not a command, nothing to do with the temple (as you seem to be applying), they where overjoyed and giving from the heart,, and a glad heart will give whatever they give.. your fixated with 10%. thats the old covenant shad. read the covenants, Abraham, Moses, david, Christ (the Lords supper -institution of the new covenant) and the promised outpouring of the Spirit in Acts.

again this was obviously not your commanded 10% tithe.

And, wow , I cannot even believe you are even suggesting that Acts 5 is about the command to tithe. I really can't believe that you think that.

For that narrative you have to start at ch 4:32 through to 5:11. if you cant grasp what is going on, there's no point me telling you.

Shad, where are your illustrations.

I think you have misunderstood, what has been said. we are not saying you dont give, what we are saying is that it is from the heart not a command..... from the heart... the point of the widows coin.


Kind regards

Phil
 
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Those are not illustrations of tithing, I was being facetious. They illustrated a kind of giving that superseded tithings and offerings and they are NT illustrations. Do we have the same heart that they did in having all things common? The widow gave of all her living because all her living came from God. That was not difficult for her to do. If God made that kind of demand upon us as He did on them, would we pass the test? They did it cheerfully and in love because their was a great need and they gave not out of their abundance but they gave their all with no exceptions. They were in the will of God and they never hesitated except in the case of that couple in Acts 5. They were not caught up in the cares of the world and realized that what they had was not their own. They were bought with a price and their life did not consist in their possessions. Do we identify with the need of other believers with the same heart?

Before Christ comes back will we be available to give our all? Will we consider the needs of others above our own? Will we function as a living organism as the body of Christ and when one part of the body has a need will all the members give of their supply to help that one member? The body of Christ is one body with many members, with Christ as the head. To give a 10% tithe, which was instituted before the law under Abraham and later mandated by the law, is such a small thing in the body of Christ, but should not be left undone. We must forsake all to follow Christ and what He is doing in His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all. We all have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ but His fulness is in the body, where we truly comprehend the love of God with the saints. Let's not rob God with our tithes and offerings and let us be prepared to give all of our living when it is needed, not for our sake but for the body's sake.
 
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shad said:
Those are not illustrations of tithing, I was being facetious. They illustrated a kind of giving that superseded tithings and offerings and they are NT illustrations. Do we have the same heart that they did in having all things common? The widow gave of all her living because all her living came from God. That was not difficult for her to do. If God made that kind of demand upon us as He did on them, would we pass the test? They did it cheerfully and in love because their was a great need and they gave not out of their abundance but they gave their all with no exceptions. They were in the will of God and they never hesitated except in the case of that couple in Acts 5. They were not caught up in the cares of the world and realized that what they had was not their own. They were bought with a price and their life did not consist in their possessions. Do we identify with the need of other believers with the same heart?

Before Christ comes back will we be available to give our all? Will we consider the needs of others above our own? Will we function as a living organism as the body of Christ and when one part of the body has a need will all the members give of their supply to help that one member? The body of Christ is one body with many members, with Christ as the head. To give a 10% tithe, which was instituted before the law under Abraham and later mandated by the law, is such a small thing in the body of Christ, but should not be left undone. We must forsake all to follow Christ and what He is doing in His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all. We all have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ but His fulness is in the body, where we truly comprehend the love of God with the saints. Let's not rob God with our tithes and offerings and let us be prepared to give all of our living when it is needed, not for our sake but for the body's sake.
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Hi shad, the 10% tithe was not instituted with Abraham please read in proper context.

kif regards

Phil
 
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The first place where I read of tithes or giving a tenth in the Bible started with Abraham.

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Jesus told the rich man to sell everything he had and give to the poor and then he would be perfect.

The Bible says having food and clothing be content.

The Bible says that the rich are to distribute their money to the poor.

The Bible says that those that seek after money have erred from the faith.

The Bible says you cannot serve God and money.

This is the commandment of God that we only go by food and clothing and all other money is to help the poor whether they be saints or not.Jesus said feed and clothe your enemies so we definetely have to help out all poor saints and the world.

This goes above tithes because we are to give more than 10 percent if we can but 10 percent goes to the Church and all other money goes to the poor.If a Preacher who is receiving a vast amount of money from tithes has to help the poor and to spread the Gospel of Christ like missionary work.

The book of Acts is not talking about tithes that they shared with the poor but it is the commandment to sell all you have and give to the poor.

God only blesses with our needs and spiritual salvation and does not bless with riches unless it is to give to people.

Matt
 
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mpaper345 said:
The first place where I read of tithes or giving a tenth in the Bible started with Abraham.

Matt
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Hi Matthew,

I have already answered about the incident with Abraham and giving.. before Abraham and by the time of Abraham, giving to kings/gods by vassals was a well known near eastern practice, dating back long long long before Abraham.., and the Tithing that we are concerned with (between God and his people) was not ratified at that time, not by command. ask a question what exactly in the Abraham narrative, says that it is 10% tithe to God? and commanded by God?

Now the point I have been making in all my posts, are not that we should not give, but we should give from the heart and not from a burden of Law. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE!

I will re iterate what I have said a few times. If your heart is right with God you will give willingly.

Kind regards

Phil
 
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